Chrome OS to launch this fall

[CarlTR6]

If there is a market for it, someone will fill the void.

 

[fseal]

My main issue with it is that if there is insane profit to be had we could all get railroaded with this.

A fine example is the curent state of LCD monitors.

I had to buy a new monitor the other week cus my old 24 in burned out after 6 years. I went to Fry's and Best Buy, looked at probably 60 monitors total. All but ONE was an almost unusable, crap-tastic "TN" panel.

Those panels were made for TVs, they are cheap crap, poor 6 bit dacs. The ONE that was not was a $3500 Apple Cinima display. SO thats our choices now? Cheap but unusable crap or stupidly expensive?

Bsically the what the manufacturers want to push on is is what we get these days, and that's somewhat sobering. If all the comm people and software manufacturers think that the cloud will make them more money, that's what we'll get and people will STOP making installable local apps.

(I finally ordered a decent Photoprocessing worthy LCD from Dell, but I wonder if when it burns out in 6-7 years if I will even have that option any more)

[Edit] I may change my mind if: We get symmetric up/down internet access at oh... 5-10x current cable modem speeds with nearly 100% earth coverage with no lag (no satellite) and unmeterd access for... $25-$40 a month per account. NOT per device and no roaming, airport, train, plane charges etc... The cloud may be useable then (especially for poratble devices) But... when is that likely to happen? [/edit]

 

[kucing13]

dont depend too much on tech can help?

 

[Tepid]

Say hello to AOL 20.0 ..... Bah, bunch of cloud garbage.

And, remember, AOL was a bastion of hacked accounts and data. Not to mention the theivery by the company themselves.

Don't fall for Googles garbage. I recommend avoiding it.

But who am I kidding, iPad sold a butt load and is complete crap.
People refused to give up AOL for the longest time, so, it goes on and on.

 

[kucing13]

Ipad = Large Ipod. :drool:
yeah Google is full of bluff. Google secure you,Google help you,Google keep you secure

 

[FerchogtX]

I hope that at least, this OS will have support for Openoffice... at least is a decent replacement for office (besides office is better in terms of deplovement and GUI)... I tested that Google office aplicattions and for me are ridicolously more dificult to use than any other suite... and, they cannot be installed...

Google is intending to make internet the default tool so you can access everything from there, the problem comes when that machines are taken away from the internet access, then you only have an OS that doesn't have even a simple text editor to work with. No offense for the Google team, is my favorite search engine, but they need to get a "backup" just in case internet access is not available (for example, adding to cromeOS the ability to install aplications locally) Otherwise, you will feel out the way. Even worse... I guess that saving ALL your personal data in the web (as they want you to do so) is not that secure... they actually will get acces to it... no good... no good.

Good try by now, but I think that only Windows and Linux are still on the war.

See ya!!

 

[johnwillyums]

I get the impression that Google OS will have a lightweight Linux platform underneath so Open Office and other Linux compatible apps will be able to be installed.
Also there will always be data that is too sensitive or crucial to be stored in the cloud in case your connection goes down.
Similarly it would be silly to stream all your media from the cloud. Unless things change drastically most people are on some sort of download cap or get throttled if they use too much so it would be a costly business listening to music etc.
I'm hoping Google OS will be good but I think it's just going to be a browser based Linux distro. That's ok with me

 

[severedsolo]

Im still reserving judgement on the cloud, depending on which one of these 3 ways they go:

These Options and any Opinions represented are entirely my own, you may not agree with my opinion but i ask you to respect it

1. The Best Option: You have an OS with "Basic" functions (text editing etc.) enabled, and all applications are stored but the "big piracy" targets (Games, etc.) are "authorised" by the cloud for you to use when you open them, until then although they reside on your PC they cant be used without a "key" from the cloud, which is good for say a week before needing reauthorisation (this would also solve the "what if im away from the internet" problem) Possibly the OS itself could need a weekly (or monthly?) check in too to combat Piracy. All personal Documents and Data are stored on the Local Machine, as it is basically a PC as we know it, just requiring the cloud to "clear" it for use

2. The Most Likely Outcome: Applications are on the cloud and are accessed "remotely", but personal documents are stored on the Local Machine, our PC's effectively become just data storage modules, certainly there is alot of data about me I would NEVER allow out there. this of course presents a problem to machines which do not go online/ are away from an Internet Access point, and will run our internet bills sky high, as they are at the moment.

3. the Damn Stupid Option (and therefore probably someone will try this): EVERYTHING is cloud based, applications, documents etc. 2 weeks after "Windows Cloud" Launches, Microsoft are hacked, and millions of people are left bankrupt from having their personal details stolen, Microsoft go bust and Apple become the new Gods of the Personal Computer World, until the launch of "OSX Online" and so the pattern continues.

 

[Tepid]

The Best Option: You have an OS with "Basic" functions (text editing etc.) enabled, and all applications are stored but the "big piracy" targets (Games, etc.) are "authorised" by the cloud for you to use when you open them, until then although they reside on your PC they cant be used without a "key" from the cloud, which is good for say a week before needing reauthorisation (this would also solve the "what if im away from the internet" problem) Possibly the OS itself could need a weekly (or monthly?) check in too to combat Piracy. All personal Documents and Data are stored on the Local Machine, as it is basically a PC as we know it, just requiring the cloud to "clear" it for use

Hell No, absolutely not. This is complete and total totalitarian control over your personal system access.
When that day comes, I will either be dead, or will refuse to use computers.

Quite honestly, unless ( and this can never ever be) it can be absolutely guaranteed that your data is safe and secure and can not be compromised at all, The Cloud is a very bad idea. Not to mention the sheer amount of regulation that would come along with it that They are attempting to grab now and are ahving a hard time doing.

Once government gets control of the net, all bets are off. Enjoy your locked down censored and regualted internet.

 

[blackroseMD1]

Hell No, absolutely not. This is complete and total totalitarian control over your personal system access.
When that day comes, I will either be dead, or will refuse to use computers.

Quite honestly, unless ( and this can never ever be) it can be absolutely guaranteed that your data is safe and secure and can not be compromised at all, The Cloud is a very bad idea. Not to mention the sheer amount of regulation that would come along with it that They are attempting to grab now and are ahving a hard time doing.

Once government gets control of the net, all bets are off. Enjoy your locked down censored and regualted internet.

I agree completely. I love the internet and feel secure using it, but you could never convince me that storing my personal data and documents online is in any way secure. Google, Microsoft et al may be full of genius engineers, but the fact remains that there will always be hackers out there that are a step ahead of the game. Anything on the internet can be hacked into and stolen, that's just a fact.

As for the regulation...I don't want the government telling me what I can and can't do with my personal files. The Cloud, while an interesting idea, just isn't feasable for everyday, continued usage. If I had a presentation to make, and my internet went out, there goes all my stuff needed for the presentation.

Google definitely needs to have an option for local storage, and I'm almost certain they will. If not, ChromeOS will fail miserably. Maybe not at first, but eventually.

 

[smarteyeball]

OT here (rare for me I know ) but every time I see the thread title - my brain sees:

"ChromeOS to FAIL at launch"...

/back to OT

 

[Spiffy Chap]

I'll probably boot it up on my old netbook but probably won't use it in my day-to-day life. Heck, besides C# development and Office I'm on my web browser most of the time.

 

[FerchogtX]

...1. The Best Option: You have an OS with "Basic" functions (text editing etc.) enabled, and all applications are stored but the "big piracy" targets (Games, etc.) are "authorised" by the cloud for you to use when you open them, until then although they reside on your PC they cant be used without a "key" from the cloud, which is good for say a week before needing reauthorisation (this would also solve the "what if im away from the internet" problem) Possibly the OS itself could need a weekly (or monthly?) check in too to combat Piracy. All personal Documents and Data are stored on the Local Machine, as it is basically a PC as we know it, just requiring the cloud to "clear" it for use...

They cannot restrict the use of software that way... they are basing this OS on Linux, so basically, restricting the use of the software is violating the GNU licence in which linux is based... I hope they are not planning an sell software on ths plattaform, many linux deplovers will be really pissed off and finally, Google will get more problems than ever...

See ya!!

 

[baarod]

Google has announced that it expects the first Chrome OS netbooks to launch in late fall, with Sundar Pichai – head of the Chrome project – using Computex 2010 to narrow down the previous “second half of 2010″ window. As the search giant has hinted at previously, they plan on being careful in how Chrome OS is delivered; “We will be selective on how we come to market because we want to deliver a great user experience,” Pinchai said, “we’re thinking on both the hardware and software levels.”

More here...

Honestly, I think that ChromeOS is more of a threat to Linux than to Microsoft in the netbook market. Although, Windows 7 Starter is horrid, so I can see MS taking a hit as well.

7 starter works well. I miss very little on my netbook. What annoys you? Remember that these distros only serve to get you on the web -- all of them, linux, Microsoft and Google. That's all they are for and nothing more. The rest is cake.

 

[JMH]

Chrome Frame beta boosts security, browser integration

By Ryan Paul | Last updated about 19 hours ago

Google has released a beta version of its Chrome Frame plugin for Internet Explorer. The new beta includes an updated version of the rendering engine and brings a number of significant improvements to browser integration. The project has moved out of the proof-of-concept stage and is maturing into a useful tool.
Chrome Frame makes it possible for Internet Explorer to display content using Chrome's WebKit-based HTML rendering engine. When it is installed, it will be used instead of Internet Explorer's own Trident engine when the browser attempts to load a page that has a special meta tag.

The eventual target audience will consist of users who want to access next-generation Web applications, but still rely on Internet Explorer for rendering legacy IE-specific content. There are a lot of IE6 users at large companies, for example, that don't have the IT resources to rebuild their intranet software or roll out modern browsers. Chrome Frame could be a useful transitional mechanism for organizations that have a large installed base of old IE versions.

When the plugin was released last year, it was made available as a developer preview so that Google could collect feedback from the Web development community. It is now in beta, which signifies a higher level of robustness, but Google is still not yet actively encouraging its adoption in production environments. The software still requires more refinement before it will be ready for widespread use.

Google has made a lot of progress on the project and has addressed many of the plugin's limitations and security weaknesses. One major improvement is support for private browsing. When the user enables Internet Explorer's InPrivate mode, the Chrome Frame plugin will use Chrome's Incognito feature so that the user's browsing remains private. The plugin is also designed to better respect the user's IE settings.

"Since our initial launch, we've been listening to developers: instead of adding new bells and whistles, we've fixed more than 200 bugs to make integration with Internet Explorer seamless while improving security, stability, and performance," wrote Google engineers Amit Joshi and Alex Russel in a blog entry about the new beta. "For example, we've improved our handling of Internet Explorer's InPrivate browsing, cache clearing, and cookie blocking. All of the enhancements and features of Google Chrome 5.0 are available in Google Chrome Frame too, including HTML5 audio and video, canvas, geolocation, workers, and databases."

We tested the new beta version of Chrome Frame in Internet Explorer 8 on Windows 7 in order to evaluate the seamlessness of the plugin. It's very good, but there are still some weaknesses that have not yet been addressed. For example, the zoom-level slider and many context menu items are not accessible on pages that are rendered with the plugin. It also fails to correctly show thumbnail previews in the browser's Quick Tabs view. But the lack of support for these IE8 features is obviously not problematic when the plugin is used in older versions of the browser, which is likely the target use case anyway.

More -
Chrome Frame beta boosts security, browser integration

 

[csdco]

Chroimium is pretty cool; for those who use a Netbook for net-only activities it will be a better value, more stable, and faster than running something like Ubuntu, Win 7 Starter, XP, etc.

Having said that, I've played with it and don't have any personal use for it. I would take a little 10" netbook running full blown Linux for emails, watching movies, and surfing, but that's just me.

 

[blackroseMD1]

7 starter works well. I miss very little on my netbook. What annoys you? Remember that these distros only serve to get you on the web -- all of them, linux, Microsoft and Google. That's all they are for and nothing more. The rest is cake.

Yeah, I understand that...and I think that Win7 Starter is great for someone who isn't looking to do much. However, netbooks are getting more powerful, and some people (myself included) are picking them up for reasons more than getting on the net. I bought mine to take on business trips, where I use Photoshop and Dreamweaver CS5 on a regular basis. Starter just seems to limited to me, but I understand that could be because I'm more of a "power user" than a lot of people who buy netbooks.

 

[Tepid]

Oh, you know what I just thought of is.......

A lot of companies are going to have to block the download and install of this thing.
People will be all "Oh? What is this? I must try it.!"

Boom, goes all the internal web based apps that a lot of companies are switching to.
This will be awesome.

 

[blackroseMD1]

This will be awesome.

:roflmao: This will be much better than that anti-climactic Y2K thing...

 

[Tepid]

This will be awesome.

:roflmao: This will be much better than that anti-climactic Y2K thing...

Hey, I thank the makers for the y2k thing, That got me, my big start in this field.
But I agree.