CISPA- the new SOPA?

[FuturDreamz]

I'm just saying that we did set it on fire before, and the Country of Canada still exists.

 

[seekermeister]

America never intended to destroy Canada or Britain at any time, only to defend ourselves, so that isn't much to brag about.

 

[FuturDreamz]

America never intended to destroy Canada or Britain at any time, only to defend ourselves, so that isn't much to brag about.

The United States planned to take over Upper Canada (the basis of modern-day Ontario) and Lower Canada (the basis of modern-day Québec) in a single mass attack. The invasion was to occur at four strategic locations: across from Detroit, in the Niagara area, at Kingston, and south of Montréal. If they succeeded, they would isolate and then capture the stronghold of Québec City, thereby cutting off any further British troop movement up the St Lawrence River and into the Great Lakes.

Canada and The War of 1812

Conclusion

The War of 1812 was of enormous significance to Canada. Had the United States been successful in their endeavour it is likely that Canada would not have evolved as a separate country. In light of this, it would perhaps be fitting for a special issue to be produced featuring the major events of the two-year war or participants in addition to the two who have already been portrayed on Canadian issues.

 

[seekermeister]

It seems that you are more intent on rehashing old differences, rather than finding means of finding a solution to the current issue that this thread is supposed to be about. Therefore, if you will not cease discussions along these lines, I shall.

 

[nitroman84]

^ You mean, like, burn down the state capitol, right?

:devil:

Careful, big brother's nose might be creeping around in here.

 

[FuturDreamz]

It seems that you are more intent on rehashing old differences, rather than finding means of finding a solution to the current issue that this thread is supposed to be about. Therefore, if you will not cease discussions along these lines, I shall.

You can always light up Hollywood...

 

[FerchogtX]

Stop generalizing USA people... one thisng is THEIR government, other thing is THEMSELVES...

American (or USA people if you are too reticent using other term) people are hard workers that only want a better life, a way for a living and having whatever they want to have... their government instead seems to be after every piece of happiness they can ever have... the wars, conflicts, invasions and everything else is NOT aproved by this men, but their government, who never cares if people complains about an unnecesary invasion...

Here in Mexico is almost the same, we have a crap of a government who only seeks for money, nothing else...

What we really need is to stop this people inmediately, we are seing that we need no government, everyone is able to administrate everythig in their lives... paying such taxes to have peope trying to vote laws against freedom is no deal...

I see that americans are not being fooled by Uncle Sam anymore, and that's good, they DON'T deserve this kind of treatment, and so the rest of us

 

[seekermeister]

While I understand your concept up to a point, I get lost with it. It sounds as though you believe that anarchy is the solution. If that is the case, I can assure you that you are wrong. It would be wonderful if each and every person was able and willing to always do the right thing, but they are not. Government in one form or another has always been required and always will be. The only question is what form of government accomplishes it purpose best? Obviously, there is not going to be a consensus as to the form or lack thereof that will provide a Utopian environment for all people.

That being said, I know that until the return of The Lord, that ours comes closer to that goal than any other. When it doesn't is when the citizens of this country either bury their heads or keep them stretched so high into the clouds, that accomplishes the same thing. They permit the government a free hand, making themselves the servants of the government, instead of the government being a servant of the people. I am reasonably content with the form of our government, but not with the way that our citizens take part in it.

 

[FuturDreamz]

Maybe, but it seems more like you have a feedback loop that turned into an infinite loop. And you can only get out of an infinite loop by restarting the program.

 

[DustSailor]

I think what everyone here is saying is that we just don't care anymore what the blasted government does. We've even gone and switched subjects on the thread. It is old news. The government is intent upon burying us one way or another, as a teeter-totter has balance at one point in time, it will soon come crashing down towards the fattest cow. One group cries foul on a tender issue, and another rises to decry the first group. 10 groups claiming to stand for what is right and 'for the people' rise up and fight against each other. Need an example? Here is a hot topic: abortion - one group claims it is a child's right to life, and another claims it is a mother's right to bear the child (or not). But they fight bitterly to the end. One group wants to end all piracy, another wants to make the internet completely free. And don't forget about the many groups in between.

Do you want a sample of what the USA (and perhaps most governments) are made of? laws. As seeker said, anarchy is a foolish way to go, it doesn't work (otherwise people wouldn't set up governments in the first place). But it seems that as government goes on, it gets bloated. People do not know how to manage things well. Most governments over all of history have risen only to fall (and most shortly after). It is because they cannot manage food, finances, and/or laws.

we have a group of people who only have a limited amount of knowledge in the subject area voting for us (oh, we voted them in right? No, we voted complete strangers in based on their promises, nothing more). We have thousands upon thousands of laws that slowly began to get tangled up and lost in confusion. Better yet, we have brick-brains enacting thousands more as time goes on. Why? Oh, it is their job. Do we need it? Sometimes. But I do not believe we need so many regulations and red tape and political BS for the sake of being politically correct. I would bet that the US works itself into a hole in the near future based on two or more factions warring against each other claiming to be 'right' and knowing 'what is best for the country'. I think we've lost it and have gone completely away from what the founders had intended. Each one of us thinks we are 'right' based on our needs or life styles. If we are poor, chances are we want a lot of government sponsored entitlements tossed our way. If we are rich, chances are we want less taxes... and you get my point. We have gone from a collective 'united states' "help your fellow man" to selfish Pansies.

 

[FuturDreamz]

So; Riot, Overthrow, Interim Government, Research for new Constitution and Government, Switch to new government, in that order?

 

[DustSailor]

Not sure there is much to do about it. That is pretty much why so many have given up (people don't vote as they believe their vote doesn't even matter). We have the choice between two weak political figures in office. and if we get a strong leader, their efforts are diluted by the rest.

I forgot to mention that the confusing laws have increased the rate of people who sue other people. While it isn't bad in principle, there are groups of people who wait as highwaymen to prey upon any chance they get to sue someone. The rate of people sueing others has increased so much more than it used to be. That is disguesting. Even more disguesting is how common joe blow can get millions of dollars out of the legal system with good lawyers when he by far never deserved it. Because you slipped on some milk in a store and broke your hand, you now get 3 million? WTH?

 

[FerchogtX]

That's why this need to be reset, checking what government does is the best way if anarchy is not an option... most of the times people let's their government to do whatever they want without asking why...

 

[seekermeister]

That's why this need to be reset, checking what government does is the best way if anarchy is not an option... most of the times people let's their government to do whatever they want without asking why...

Now I can agree with you, however the reset that you mention is not a simple flick of the switch. For any government to function half-way right requires that everyone becomes involved to the extent possible in all issues, yet we know that is not the nature of people. That only leaves the option of creating a strong enough swell in public awareness and interest, that it is not a current that any politicians desires to swim against. Potentially, public opinion is a far stronger force than any lobby, regardless of how many dollars are behind it.

Still, that switch must be thrown multiple times as necessary, if the current that it creates isn't strong enough to place a permanent fear in the politician's minds.

 

[FuturDreamz]

Aand we're back to it being the Media's responsibility.