exFAT format??

[nate42nd]

I see....thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Night Hawk]

From what I've been on this someone with an old board that won't support NTFS is using an odd method for trying to get 7 running on a Fat32 volume there. The information was that the early 7 builds can't while it may be supported with the RCs in some type of customized environment.

For a good wotking installation and not any type of virtual hard drive or VM machine you still won't be able to top NTFS for XP right on up through 7 from the start. The essentials for the NT cored versions from the start are still orientated towards the NT File System with the XP exception being the 9x-ME replacement.

 

[mrgcav]

ExFAT is missing

I have a quad boot system, Vista x86 ultimate, Two Vista x64 Ultimate & Windows 7 RC v7100.
I am a Pro and also a MS Beta Tester for Windows 7.
After installing Win 7 7000. I was able to format two partitions in ExFAT.
Yes I have pics if you need proof.
I never liked NTFS, too much overhead and impossible to recover files from.
But with the RC version I no longer have the option to format in ExFAT using the disk management.
In order to format ExFAT you need to use the command line editor but run as administrator.
Start > Type in the search box "command", right click the result and run as administrator.
Open a Command window. C:\windows\system32> .
C:\windows\system32>Format X: /A:64K /FS:ExFAT
Where X is the letter of the drive to be formatted.
A Is the Cluster Size.
FS is the File System type.
Type "Format /?" for help

My point is that EXFat is better than NTFS for most pourposes. But not as good for Formatting small drives under 32.0 GB.
Theoretically ExFAT should have as good if not better file recovery potential than FAT32.

I suggest anyone interested in ExFAT, write MS and tell them to include it as standard in the final version of Win 7.

 

[darkassain]

I have a quad boot system, Vista x86 ultimate, Two Vista x64 Ultimate & Windows 7 RC v7100.
I am a Pro and also a MS Beta Tester for Windows 7.
After installing Win 7 7000. I was able to format two partitions in ExFAT.
Yes I have pics if you need proof.
I never liked NTFS, too much overhead and impossible to recover files from.
But with the RC version I no longer have the option to format in ExFAT.
My point is that EXFat is better than NTFS for most pourposes. But not as good for Formatting small drives under 32.0 GB.
Theoretically ExFAT should have as good if not better file recovery potential than FAT32.

I suggest anyone interested in ExFAT, write MS and tell them to include it as standard in the final version of Win 7.

you said after installing...
baarod specifically said *during* the install...
i believe any drive can be partitioned to exfat as long as its a external drive...
the built in formater in Win7 will not let you format any internal drive to other than ntfs (as of the RC...)
and also please delete your email as this is to prevent spammers....

 

[hoak]

It is possible to format your drive in exFAT before install with Windows 7; if you hit ALT-F10 at the first setup screen you open command prompt and can use the command line to format any partition in exFAT: "format C: /FS:exFAT". It even looks like diskpart will allow you to make an exFAT volume bootable though I have not yet attempted this or installing Windows 7 to a formatted exFAT partition.

Considering Microsoft's competition for small form factor 'Netbooks', and their performance limitations -- it would seem a smart move for Microsoft to incorporate some manner of workaround for hard-linking on exFAT, at least in the 'Home Basic' edition of Windows 7 where there are fewer features to float and the most benefit can be had.

As benchmarks prove exFAT offers substantial performance improvement over NTFS and not just because of last access time stamps or 8.3 compatibility mode extended data, NTFS is a very old kludge file system and like a lot of Windows system internals has many performance limitations due to enormous feature float and building on legacy code for compatibility.

 

[Night Hawk]

Welcome to the Se7en Forums! hoak

While NTFS is a bit old it is due for an upgrade from the present 5.0 standard while you can still access drives that ran Windows 2000 MS wanting some backward compatibility there.

The NT File System is still more secure then even the newer exFat which is intended mainly as an improved Fat for storage medium there. 7 still uses NTFS as the native file system but provides support for exFat being seeing on external hard drives used for storage and usb flash drives which typically come with an exFat volume on them.

This is one thing that lacked for Vista there without a preinstalled software included on a new addon drive or device. The exFat allows for getting past the old Fat 32 partition size limitations there.

 

[cclloyd9785]

Although not sure about installing 7 to exFAT, you can format to exfat during the setup with diskpart.

Just boot from the CD, go to repair my computer, and open a cmd

type

diskpart
list disk
select disk #
list part
select part # (unnecessary if there is only one partition)
format fs=exfat -q

 

[Night Hawk]

I doubt very much the OP or hoak even will read the reply here after this amount of time being started last year. Everyone has moved onto newer threads.

 

[kambohg]

dear brother i have 128GB USB but it works and formated on windows 7 and vista also works on xp also but its not formeted on xp and not showing its size but its work fine i can del transfer move ion xp but we cant formate and in win 7 usb shows exfat formate and plz tell me have u any way which willl make exfat formate in xp and i will instal it in usb also and when i will sale customer will instal it and use it plz help me thanks

 

[hoak]

While NTFS is a bit old it is due for an upgrade from the present 5.0 standard while you can still access drives that ran Windows 2000 MS wanting some backward compatibility there.

Well any system (PC) running on any FS; FAT, FAT32, exFAT, HPFS -- and even Linux can access any flavor of NTFS if a system has an NTFS IFS driver -- so that's a fairly weak argument for continuing or building on the bloated legacy that is NTFS, which in turn is a derivative of (and some would argue purloined and better) even older HPFS...

The NT File System is still more secure then even the newer exFat which is intended mainly as an improved Fat for storage medium there.

More secure in what way? All iterations of FAT are and remain more recoverable then any version of NTFS... If you're referring to NTFS 'integrated' encryption; it's little different then 3rd Party solutions that will do the same on all iterations of FAT and NTFS, HPTF and even EXT -- perform better, offer all the same features like bootable encrypted IFS, and again are more recoverable and faster.

If you meant that NTFS is more fault tolerant because of journaling -- even that's arguable depending on your criterion for evaluating fault tolerance...

I'm not saying exFAT is 'superior' to NTFS, but if one qualifies how a particular system is to be used, and if exFAT were bootable and supported hard links -- it could easily be superior to NTFS for many home Users and Gamers where performance and recoverability are primary concerns, and especially SSDs where MTBF and performance are valid concerns.

The main reason NTFS prevails, is updated and present on consumer PCs is because it's an 'all eggs in one basket' solution for Microsoft with their monolithic approach to code; most Consumers don't benefit from or use any of the features realized in NTFS, and the few they do could easily be rolled into exFAT...

I doubt very much the OP or hoak even will read the reply here after this amount of time being started last year. Everyone has moved onto newer threads.

Well it's an interesting topic, and while Members here don't seem particularly interested or concerend; it's still an active topic of discussion on the, Microsoft Developer & TechNet Forums, Netbook, OCZ's and a few other SSD forums -- where Hackers, Gamers and Experimenters see the potential of exFAT as performance alternative to the parade float of performance robbing features and bad coding practice NTFS has become...

 

[kambohg]

exfat and 1 more prob

thanks for ur reply dear i have instal exfat and its going well but i want know 1 thing i have buy 10 USB for sale and all are 128GB after instal the exfat i faced new prob my usb crapet data or if usb save the data many time its not remove many files from usb y its doing like that is this exfat prob 2nd hardware programming prob or usb have not 128 GB hardware but programing showing 128GB for that its doing like that

 

[hoak]

kambohg, I didn't respont to you as your English grammar is very hard to understand, and doesn't make sense; some possible answers to what you might be asking (as I really can't tell what you're asking):

On Windows XP have you installed the exFAT driver? Windows XP does not come with the exFAT driver installed so you have to download the update which you can find: here...

Any USB FLASH formatted with any file system is going to report a smaller formatted size then the unformatted raw capacity, this will vary with the file system you choose.

The file capacity of the file system will also vary depending on the cluster size you choose and the size of the files on the file system due to wasted clusters space...

:tip:

 

[overcertified]

Features

exFAT version 1.00, the current desktop version does not have ACL. Prior versions of FAT (FAT12/16/32) don't either, but the exFAT on WIndows CE does, and according to the exFAT specificaton, future versions of exFAT will. For effective use of the OS, you should have permissions for read, write(modify), etc, which NTFS supplies and FAT currently does not.

Prior versions of FAT have 2 FATS and flip flop between the FATs to insure integrity. exFAT only has one FAT, annd in a later release will provide TexFAT (Transactional exFAT) which will have 2 FATs and is called transaction SAFE exFAT.

ven if you could force W7 to install on exFAT, now is not a good time to do it, especially while the bugs need to be worked out.

One reason why exFAT is good for removable media while NTFS is not is the Lazy write. NTFS does not flush its buffers right away and if you yank out a NTFS removale drive you can lose data.

 

[overcertified]

If you want to learn more about exFAT and its internals, I published a technical paper on the file system and the paper is in the SANS reading room: http://www.sans.org/reading_room/wh...engineering-microsoft-exfat-file-system_33274

And I am blogging a little at exFAT Extended FAT File System

 

[hoak]

Fascinating stuff overcertified, thankyou so much for posting! In your research do you get any indication that Microsoft has any intentions of making exFAT bootable and properly installable (supporting ACLs, Hard Links, etc...) for the Windows desktop operating systems?

 

[overcertified]

In the Microsoft Specification they seem to imply that TexFAT and ACL, two existing features already existing in the Windows CE version of exFAT, will be released in a later desktop version. However, I have no idea whether other features of NTFS, such as mount points and links will get supported. The specification even hints at the capability of encryption, which does not exist in Windows CE, and was not really a hint that it will be provided, but the idea is that exFAT is extensible, so anything can happen.

FAT32 has 2 boot sectors in the 3 sector VBR, the partial boot sector in the first sector and the full sector last sector. exFAT has a partial boot sector in the first sector and 8 more FULL sectors of boot code, it is a 12 sector VBR with 9 sectors that can contain boot code. In other words, the existing exFAT already supports a bootable VBR. I think the issue right now is to find some utility that will actually write bootable code into the VBR to make a bootable disk. However, I don't see installing Windows 7 in such a configuration, at least at no time soon. I think NTFS will be here to stay and that NTFS will still be the standard file system for Windows 7 and beyond - just a guess right now.

 

[witblits1970]

what a load of dung this exfat format is., i have a flash that is formatted to exfat, it transfers data only that is smaller that 32 megs! anything larger than that you'll be lucky to get the data as only the folder is transferred. i have tried to format the drive to ntfs but 24 hours later im told MS can not complete the format.lol where to go fromhere as i have 200 gig's worth of stuff to back up!

 

[overcertified]

Vista and Windows 7 will not install on a file system that does not have file permissions, so I don't even believe that you could install either on FAT32 either. Also, Vista, Server 2008 and Windows also use junctions and mount points, which is also not available in FAT (12/16/32 or exFAT), so NTFS is really the only file system that the OS can install on. It is now too dependent and integrated into the file system.

 

[mrgcav]

You can install Vista and Win 7 to FAT32 & exfat

Overcertified
Aparentally you do not live up to your name.
I am a professional MS certified independant Computer engineer. (I do not work for MS). Anyway. You could not be more wrong.
Suggest you do your homework.
I have and I have pictures that prove that you can install Vista and Win 7 to FAT32 or to exFAT.
It is not a direct method. But it works.
See My posts and those of cclloyd9785 and hoak:
http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/7627-exfat-format-3.html

 

[mrgcav]

I think your problem is elsewhere

what a load of dung this exfat format is., i have a flash that is formatted to exfat, it transfers data only that is smaller that 32 megs! anything larger than that you'll be lucky to get the data as only the folder is transferred. i have tried to format the drive to ntfs but 24 hours later im told MS can not complete the format.lol where to go fromhere as i have 200 gig's worth of stuff to back up!

I think your problem is not EXFAT....
I have been using exfat with no problems on several harddrives and flashdrives.
I would like more info on your problem. It seems unique. I have not heard of anyone having such a problem.
What is the make & model number of the drive ?
How old is the drive ?
When was it last formatted ?
Exactly how is it connected to your computer ? USB ? SATA, IDE ?
Want is the make and model of the computer ?
What is the OS ?

I think you have a failing harddrive.
Let me know.