gaming on U2711

[snipermouse]

Hi all,

looking at the Dell Ultrasharp U2711 for gaming but concerned about the response time (6ms grey to grey). I've read a few reviews but I'm after some "realworld" experience with this monitor. Any1 got this monitor?

The alternative I'm considering is the Asus VE278Q with a 2ms response time but only has a 1920 x 1080 res.

I'm after a high res screen for gaming to get the most from my SLI setup.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

 

[Maguscreed]

Generally I would say aim for 5 or less, I don't think 6 will be a horrible difference. I've never personally owned a 6ms though.
1920x1080 is also known as 1080p
It's perfectly acceptable as a high definition picture.
It will also handle hd video better.

I have an asus 24 inch myself, perfectly happy with it.

Also the more pixels there are to render, the slower your framerates are going to be. Higher resolution isn't necessarily a good thing.

 

[sygnus21]

The way response times are calc now (gray to gray) I wouldn't worry about the 6ms spec. BTW I'm actaully comtemplating (been looking at one very hard) on getting the U2211h - Dell U2211H Review (TFT Central)

BTW TFT Central is very good website for LCD info. Whatever questions you have on LCD tecnology, they can answer

Do not rely entirely on response time specs quoted by manufacturers as a be all and end all to the monitor’s performance. Different manufacturers have different ways of measuring their response time, and one 5ms panel might not be the same in real use to another 5ms panel for instance. Panel technology also plays a part here, and don't get confused with standard response times and grey to grey figures. However, response times can be treated a guide to the performance of the screen, and as a rule of thumb, the lower the better.

Response time - TFT Central time

Also bear in mind that some very fast "response times" can have an impact on color fidelity. That's why gamers see LCD's differently that graphic artists for example.

Graphic artists aren't concerned with response times whereas gamers are. Just as gamer's aren't necessarily concerned with color fidelity where a graphic artist is. So it becomes a balancing act. And from what I read the - Ultra Sharps does a good job at this.

 

[snipermouse]

Thanx guys,

indeed "sygnus21" the balancing act goes on...

@27 inches 2 feet from your face 1920x1080p dosent quite cut it as pixes becomes noticable or do you got for superior resolotion at the cost of response time. Wish there was somewhere 1 could go to test these screens for 1's self as every1 sees things differently.

 

[Maguscreed]

Newegg.com - SAMSUNG P2770FH ToC Rose Black 27" 1ms Full HD HDMI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 70,000:1 (1,000:1) ???

27 inches seems a bit ridiculous to me, just for the very reason youexplained. I stopped at 24, and honestly believe I could have been fine with a little smaller.

 

[Clinkz]

Newegg.com - SAMSUNG P2770FH ToC Rose Black 27" 1ms Full HD HDMI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 70,000:1 (1,000:1) ???

27 inches seems a bit ridiculous to me, just for the very reason youexplained. I stopped at 24, and honestly believe I could have been fine with a little smaller.

I would have to agree, 24 is a nice size that not too overwhelming.

 

[sygnus21]

What makes the Ultra Sharp a better buy (for me) over the Samsung you reference is the superior panel - IPS (Ultra Sharp) vs TN (Samsung). IPS = better viewing angle and color fidelity.

IPS (In Plane Switching) was introduced to try and improve on some of the drawbacks of TN Film. It was developed by Hitachi and was dubbed “super TFT”. They improved on viewing angles up to about 170H. This was done by controlling liquid crystal alignment slightly differently, but unfortunately, can affect response rate of the pixels. As such they are not as good for gaming as TN panels. IPS panels were later developed into Super-IPS (S-IPS) panels by their main manufaturer now, LG.Display (formerly LG.Philips). Production costs were lowered which has meant they have become more widely used. S-IPS offer perhaps the most accurate colour reproduction available in the TFT panel market, and the widest viewing angles as well. They are also free of the off-centre cotnrast shift which is evident on VA matrices, and as such are commonly the choice of graphics and colour professional displays. Response times were traditionally behind those of TN Film and VA panel variants, but modern IPS panels using response time compensation (RTC) including the new generation of Horizontal IPS (H-IPS), Enhanced S-IPS and Advanced Super IPS (AS-IPS) panels can offer responsiveness to rival both. For more information, see our detailed panel technologies guide.

They're getting better on response times, and are definitely used as gaming monitors, but TN panels do have the faster response times.

TN film (Twisted Nematic + Film) panels where the first panels to be used and are still widely implemented in many TFT’s today, especially mid to low end screens. This is due to the low manufacturing costs of TN panels. Traditionally they were not always very good at displaying blacks, but modern TN Film panels are actually very good in this regard. In fact many can compete with even VA matrices. There is also a problem with pixels dying and becoming a bright colour rather than just completely going out (black). The main issue with TN Film panels is that they have restrictive viewing angles of up to a realistic range of about 140 horizontally. Vertical viewing angles are very poor generally and suffer from a characteristic blackening of the image as you look from below. TN film panel traditionally offer the fastest pixel response times, and with the implementation of RTC / overdrive technologies, the grey to grey transitions have become even faster. Today, TN Film panels are used in the majority of gamer-orientated screens and are often used to break into new screen sizes, offering a cost effective way to provide larger screens without increasing the price too much. For more information, see our detailed panel technologies guide.

Monitor Specifications

That Samsung uses a TN panel. The ridiculously fast response time also says that as response times that low are indicative of TN panels. Also the fact that it's not stated in the specs validats this as an IPS panel would be a "bragging" point because of it's viewving angle and color fidelity.

SAMSUNG P2770FH - Features and Specifications - 27" LCD Monitor | Samsung Office

That's a nice monitor, but I personally would prefer an IPS panel monitor.

BTW I'm currently using a HP 22 inch monitor (HP w2207h) which is a TN panel. So this isn't a case of snobbery looking down

 

[Maguscreed]

We are talking about a gaming monitor though.

one of the viewsonic 120hz would probably be the best thing for him, but I don't think they make one in the size he wants.

 

[sygnus21]

Quick Review: Dell U2211H 21.5-inch LCD Monitor :: TweakTown USA Edition

On the gaming and movie front there are no surprises thanks to the Full HD resolution. HD content looks great and gaming is also fantastic, although we do have that typical ghosting issue seen on IPS panels. Like we've mentioned before, it's ultimately only something you will find if you're looking for it; once you're in the thick of the action you just enjoy the U2211H for what it is.

You get gaming, picture, and graphics quality all in one monitor

 

[Maguscreed]

also 2 1/2 inches smaller than what I have and a hundred bucks more.
Whatever makes you happy though. That's basically my stand on it, still going to offer my opinion.

 

[sygnus21]

And I'm still going to offer mine.

There's a reason there's choice in the market place.

Peace

 

[ezeht]

Love my monitor- ASUS ML248H 24"

led back light- 2ms- 10,000,000:1- 3 year warranty- about $200.00 bucks-

 

[Maguscreed]

Love my monitor- ASUS ML248H 24"

led back light- 2ms- 10,000,000:1- 3 year warranty- about $200.00 bucks-

you and me both man...

 

[ezeht]

Ya it is pretty amazing- maybe not so much my monitor it was not at the egg long. But pick most any size lcd with multi brands on the page- If going by comment count alone means anything and most all 5 egg rating and folks love them- Asus sells more monitors than all other brands together at newegg- if comment count shows actual sold count- Says a lot to me all by its self

Asus monitors can surely have more comments than all the others together- Cost less than the other said better brands too. If I was not a gamer- I would get a said better but more slow monitor or if was rich I would buy the best wide screen even today which is crt- thats right a 10 year old used wide crt sony. Well maybe not the best the gods ever made- but it is close.

Or if had maybe 12,000 grand just to spend on a monitor some medical use lcd I think they are some isp type deally that can do 2ms- it is such things.. And blows away anything some might think they have so great- you need speed for gaming or have ghosting etc- it is a trade off maybe- but that is life- unless using crt.

Trips me out how folks will argue lcd is better than crt- it is newer tech- stuck on newer is better crap- Facts are crt is 1to1 faster and more flexible can set res to what ever- color saturation etc is same for crt and high quality lcd. What might make a lcd said better is takes less desk space not as heavy uses less energy and can make the screens larger- you can only push a crt's tube size but so far- but the old sony 24" wide crt is still a standard by which many lcd's are judged by- still look lovely 10 years old too- lcds start to die off in just a few years- Even tube tvs can last what 20 maybe more years- But hey new is better new tech is better yadda yadda yadda- ya right.

I do like my new monitor tho- like it a lot- big compared to my 17 or 19'' 4:3 crt's well my viewsonic 19 1600x1200 @85hrz was sweet until it died after 6 years of running 24/7. But think I like this better- getting use to wide and all and it is a huge screen- not bad on my eyes either.. Text are larger etc. need reading glasses in my old age- but I keep it pushed back or is more hard to game on- I only have to lean in a lil sometimes to read stuff- not as bad as my smaller crt's tho.

I am happy with my rig- get a better vid card over clock my cpu some- good to go..

Folks can argue newer is better all they want to- other than being only 24" it is hard to beat it even today and that is using a old 10 year monitor against a new lcd- it is just the facts.. Can still find them used..>

http://catalog.ebay.com/Sony-GDM-FW900-24-inch-CRT-Monitor-/52108670

http://wilsonleungsworld.blogspot.com/2007/06/sony-gdm-fw900-flat-widescreen-24-fd.html







Have fun folks- See ya..

 

[simmo]

I am a member of the OCAU forums...a lot of the guys there are big on Dell 27 inch and up monitors...they use them for gaming and w/e else and I have never read a post/thread to say what crap they were...if any are offered for sale in the for sale section they sell extremely quickly so my guess would be that the monitor's perform very well.

That said I actually use a 24 inch Samsung (syncmaster 2493HM) which other than the fact its a few years old has performed well (response time 5ms) and is a 1920x1200 res.

I agree it's a pity that for the most part you can't just run a game on a demo model somewhere tho.

 

[snipermouse]

Thanx for your input guys, I think I might wait till 120Hz screens become more mainstream.

Shame that PC screens arent moving at the same pace as every other piece of PC equipment, (shame on you lazy manufactures LOL) other wise we would all be gaming on 30" screens @ 120Hz with a 1ms response time, res of 2560x1600 for around $100. dream, dream, dream

Cheers

 

[ganjiry]

Hi folks just dumpin in my pennies worth lol,
Ive got an AOC f22s+ n to me it seems a realy nice screen for the money. 1920x1080. games look really nice n crisp. there is a similar model with more conecters
its a nice lookin monitor too i think
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