Going RAID 0; clean install or restore?

[thelumberjack]

Hello,

I've been using Windows 7 home premium 64-bit for a while now and decided to order another drive to use in a raid array (wd caviar black 750 x2). Just wondering if anyone can help me decide whether to just perform a clean install and copy over my important files (meaning I would have to reinstall ALL my programs and probably update windows a million times to get up to date) or just restore from an image or backup. I like the thought of a clean install, but it will take a bit of time to get up to date and all that.

Thanks for the help,
Jake

 

[richc46]

Welcome Jake,

I think that you know the answer, you have the chance to start fresh with a nice clean install, without any problems or you can use an image and inherit all the problems that exist on the image. You even mentioned that you would like a clean install.

I know that the thought of installing all the programs seems like a pretty big challenge, but not if you do it my way. Do the install, install the Anti Virus, Anti Malware and anything else that is essential. When the time comes that you want to play a game or use Word, install it then. Install when needed. That is what I did when I went form Vista to Windows 7.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/31402-clean-install-upgrade-windows-7-version.html?filter[2]=General Tips


Wishing you the best.

 

[thelumberjack]

Richard,

I appreciate the response. I was just feeling kind of unsure, but you definitely reassured me to just go with the clean install. Plus I just remembered that I think you can tick an option to automatically get windows updates while installing.

I like your philosophy on reinstalling programs as well. It makes the task seem much less daunting.

Thanks!
Jake

 

[richc46]

Jake,

Thanks for the rep and kind words. Each member has his own technique to offer the best advice to those with questions. My method is to give the advice that I would definately take myself. In the case of my post to you, I am certain of the answer. Know anything about cars? Which do you want an old car with beautiful paint job and tune up or a new car. That is the choice that you have with the image v clean install.

Feel free to return with any questions or problems. I cannot promise you that I will see your question, but every member will do his or her best to help you the very best that they can.

 

[Product FRED]

I really suggest you don't use RAID 0 since it depends on two drives for storage of only one copy of data. The data is spread across 2 drives. If one drive fails, you're screwed and data becomes useless. I would really recommend RAID 1 if you're using two drives:

RAID 1 mirrors the contents of the disks, making a form of 1:1 ratio realtime mirroring. The contents of each disk in the array are identical to that of every other disk in the array. A RAID 1 array requires a minimum of two drives.

Here's information on the different levels of RAID: RAID - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To activate RAID, you 100% need to do a clean installation of Windows 7, making sure to load the RAID drivers when you're selecting a hard drive to install to. This makes the 2 drives show up as one, making sure data is consistent on both drives. The reason you have to do a clean install is because the data has to be the same on both drives from the moment files are written to the hard drives. The advantage of RAID 1 is that, if one drive goes bad, you can continue to use the other drive as if nothing has happened to the computer.

Also, to quickly reinstall common apps, use Ninite Easy PC Setup - Silent Unattended Install Multiple Programs At Once

 

[whs]

I would mirror the Raid. That gives you more safety. Or make daily images like I do. But if you are really looking for speed, I would spend an extra $100 for a 30GB OCZ SSD and put the OS on that (there is enough space). It will beat the Raid by a lot. You can still use the Raid for the data.

 

[thelumberjack]

@ Product Fred

I have agonized over which RAID configuration to go with, and whether to spring for an SSD. I considered RAID 5 because you get redundance and fair performance, but that requires much more work on the part of the controller and lower write speeds. The problem with RAID 1 is just too much overhead, you only get 50% of your space. And SSD's, while appealing, are still just too expensive per gig and a RAID 0 configuration would approach many mainstream (lower end) SSD's anyways. The real benefits are in the high level SSD's that offer excellent performance; but they cost WAY too much.

Thanks for the suggestions, though. I'll just make sure to back up all the time now that my chances of losing all my data are doubled, and wait for the day when I can afford a good performing SSD with fair capacity (not exclusively as a boot drive)

Thanks,
Jake

 

[whs]

high level SSD's that offer excellent performance; but they cost WAY too much.

A 30GB OCZ Vertex costs less than $100 - and it is one of the best. That is ample for Windows7. And it will beat any Raid by miles. The data then can go on the Raids.

 

[devane68]

As I grow older it seems like I already know the answer to the questions I ask myself! In the morning looking in the mirror before work, "should I shave or not?" I already know the answer.
On going from a single drive to RAID 0. "Should I do a clean install or just fudge it with an image?" I think you know the answer!! BTW I like richc46's answer on how to go about it.

Luck to you.

 

[devane68]

high level SSD's that offer excellent performance; but they cost WAY too much.

A 30GB OCZ Vertex costs less than $100 - and it is one of the best. That is ample for Windows7. And it will beat any Raid by miles. The data then can go on the Raids.

Anandtech just showed (last week) 2 Intel X-25V's in RAID 0 that screamed. And then a day later Newegg had them for $93 each!!!

 

[devane68]

Richard,

I appreciate the response. I was just feeling kind of unsure, but you definitely reassured me to just go with the clean install. Plus I just remembered that I think you can tick an option to automatically get windows updates while installing.

I like your philosophy on reinstalling programs as well. It makes the task seem much less daunting.

Thanks!
Jake

What about two Intel X-25V's (40GB each) in RAID 0 then mirrored to a partition on the 750GB Caviar Black??

 

[wangster]

How about buying an extra hard drive for your data?

I have a RAID 0 setup for my OS and programs for performance. My data is one a separate non-raid drive. In case my one of the raid drives go bad, I don't lose all my data. Plus, if I need to take my hard drive to another computer (although very rare), I don't have to worry about the other computer having RAID. Also, I don't think having your word documents or movies or other data in a RAID 0 will increase the performance.

 

[wangster]

Also, I personally recommend fresh install each and every time. If you're concerned about updates taking too long, I remember reading somewhere that you can build the downloaded updates into a Windows install CD/DVD. Not sure about Win7 but I remember reading a method for XP some time ago.

Here's a Microsoft KB article. I'd love to find out if similar can be done on Windows 7.

How to integrate software updates into your Windows installation source files

 

[thelumberjack]

Also, I personally recommend fresh install each and every time. If you're concerned about updates taking too long, I remember reading somewhere that you can build the downloaded updates into a Windows install CD/DVD. Not sure about Win7 but I remember reading a method for XP some time ago.

Here's a Microsoft KB article. I'd love to find out if similar can be done on Windows 7.

How to integrate software updates into your Windows installation source files

yes, I believe thats somewhere in the windows 7 tweak guide (TweakGuides.com - The TweakGuides Tweaking Companion). I would rather not fool with it though. After more thought, I really shouldn't be too much work.

Thanks for the response,
Jake

 

[thelumberjack]

high level SSD's that offer excellent performance; but they cost WAY too much.

A 30GB OCZ Vertex costs less than $100 - and it is one of the best. That is ample for Windows7. And it will beat any Raid by miles. The data then can go on the Raids.

Too many choices! I've been entertaining that idea as well, but i have to get a higher capacity backup drive as well (working with a 250gb external right now) before I even begin setting up the raid. So purchasing a vertex would tack another 100 onto that, and i'm a pretty budget purchaser. I'm only 17 and I have no time for a job right now, so the money only flows out and not in! I've been reading all sorts of SSD reviews as well, which makes the choice even more difficult. this one - ADATA S599 SandForce SF-1200 SSD | Review,ADATA S599,SandForce SF-1200,SSD Test,ADATA S599 Solid State Drive SandForce SF-1200 SATA Benchmark Performance Speed SSD Test - shows clearly how two VelociRaptors in raid 0 get spanked by just about every SSD tested.

Like everything else, it will come with time, but for now I think i'll have to stick with the caviar black's in raid 0 and perhaps a caviar green for backup

Thanks for the response,

Jake

 

[thelumberjack]

Jake[/QUOTE]
What about two Intel X-25V's (40GB each) in RAID 0 then mirrored to a partition on the 750GB Caviar Black??[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting solution. That hadn't even occurred to me, probably because I automatically discounted SSD's, let alone two SSD's in raid. Kind of dumb comsidering two 30-40 gb SSD's aren't much more than two high capacity HDD's, which i'm buying. Unfortunately, I already have both caviar blacks and like I said to devane68, I also have to get another drive for backup. I just got the caviar black because it was $10 off (and the next day it was magically $15 off. thats my luck). But now it's back up to $80.

Thanks for the response,

Jake

 

[whs]

Hey Jake, by the time you are my age, a 1TB SSD will cost pennies - so you have plenty of time to get there.

 

[thelumberjack]

Hey Jake, by the time you are my age, a 1TB SSD will cost pennies - so you have plenty of time to get there.

haha that's a good way of looking at it I guess. With the way computer technology has progressed, you really do have to put into perspective what's worth it or not, considering what you buy today could be obsolete tomorrow.

Thanks for the wisdom,

Jake

 

[whs]

Hey Jake, by the time you are my age, a 1TB SSD will cost pennies - so you have plenty of time to get there.

haha that's a good way of looking at it I guess. With the way computer technology has progressed, you really do have to put into perspective what's worth it or not, considering what you buy today could be obsolete tomorrow.

Thanks for the wisdom,

Jake

Yeah, It is sometimes interesting to look back and then project into the future. I have been around computers since 1958 (for 52 years) and even 25 years ago I would not even dreamed of the things that are common today.
E.g. when Armstrong went to the moon in the 60's, one of the fastest computers on earth (the IBM 7030 Stretch) could do 1.2 Million calculations per second. A Pentium3 (which is even "old" by todays standards) can do 3.9 Million and an I7 Extreme can do 6.6 Billion.

 

[thelumberjack]

Hey Jake, by the time you are my age, a 1TB SSD will cost pennies - so you have plenty of time to get there.

haha that's a good way of looking at it I guess. With the way computer technology has progressed, you really do have to put into perspective what's worth it or not, considering what you buy today could be obsolete tomorrow.

Thanks for the wisdom,

Jake

Yeah, It is sometimes interesting to look back and then project into the future. I have been around computers since 1958 (for 52 years) and even 25 years ago I would not even dreamed of the things that are common today.
E.g. when Armstrong went to the moon in the 60's, one of the fastest computers on earth (the IBM 7030 Stretch) could do 1.2 Million calculations per second. A Pentium3 (which is even "old" by todays standards) can do 3.9 Million and an I7 Extreme can do 6.6 Billion.

wow that is incredible how things have progressed. I wonder if in 25 years i'll look back on my current system with nostalgia. 52 years around computers is quite impressive; i'm glad to have someone around to put things in perspective.

thanks,

Jake