Solved Hardware upgrade

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Hi,
I'm thinking of getting an upgrade for my laptop, but I'm not sure what to upgrade- the RAM or getting an SSD. I do light gaming- Onlive and occasional Minecraft. Also when browsing, I tend to open loads of tabs and because I use Chrome is eats away at my resources. So basically, what would make a bigger performance boost (Also I have gone through the guides about uninstalling programs I don't use, etc.)

Crucial upgrade page: Computer memory upgrades for HP - Compaq Pavilion dv6-2020sa Laptop/Notebook from Crucial.com

My laptop's spec page: Product Specifications - HP technical support (United Kingdom - English)

Any help is appreciated.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
Case
Fractal Design Define Mini
Cooling
2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
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Logitech EX100 Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
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Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
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Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
Get a SSD! =D Then probably dual/tripple channel your RAM
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (32-bit)
CPU
Intel Core i3-2120 @ 3.30GHz (Stock)
Motherboard
ASUS P8H61-M LX (Rev 3.0)
Memory
1x Kingston DDR3 SDRAM @ 1333MHz 4GB (Stock)
Graphics Card(s)
PALIT NVIDIA GeForce 210 @ 1GB DDR3 (Stock)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC887 (On-Board)
Monitor(s) Displays
LG Flatron L227WTG-PF 22" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 (Monitor) & 1176x664 (TV)
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Blue @ 500GB (Internal) & Western Digital Elements @ 500GB (External)
PSU
Seasonic M12II Bronze Evo Edition @ 520W
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
DEEPCOOL Gamma Archer CPU Cooler & 1x 120mm Side Intake Fan
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Compaq KB-0133 PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
Elephant Blade Runner GR WEM-1019 USB Laser Gaming Mouse
Internet Speed
PLDT Home DSL @ 3 Mbps ↓ & 0.75 Mbps ↑
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Microsoft SE & Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (Premium)
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Google Chrome
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Edifier 2.1 Speaker System + Bose SoundLink Mini | Samsung LN540520X/XAA LCD TV via HDMI | Epson L120
Sorry, dual channel? What's that?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
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Fractal Design Define Mini
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2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
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Logitech EX100 Keyboard
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Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
Antivirus
Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
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Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
Your RAM from your Product Specifications:
3072 MB (1 x 1024 MB + 1 x 2048 MB)

By placing your RAM into dual channel mode, you have effectively doubled its bandwidth, meaning that twice as much data can be transferred at a given point in time.

There should, in theory, be a noticeable difference between single and dual channel mode. However, this depends on the application. For many programs, such as Office (Word, Excel, etc), there will be a slight difference but not as much as you will see with graphics editing or movie conversion.
~Words from Dwarf

Dual Channel Ram guide.

Why I wrote: To correct some misconceptions that are out there about what is dual channel. And to try and help with some of the questions. “Will this be Dual Channel”. This only applies to Notebooks not Desktops, they are very different, as Notebooks have two slots A & B channels and Desktops have four slots 2A & 2B channels.

What is dual channel? The RAM bus is 64 bit, dual means using 2 (Intel) which gives you a 128 bit bus (effective), capable of twice the bandwidth. AMD is done different but the outcome is the same 64 vs 128

Do I have it? Most current Notebook Motherboards support it, remember it is the Motherboard that determines if you can use it, not the RAM. RAM is sold in “Dual Channel kits” as both a convenience and marketing ploy.

Do I need it? Yes/No, RAM is very fast but it does help, depending on your system, some more than others. Current Intel's take less of a performance hit not using it, AMD on the other hand makes much more use of it. Intel being 8% to 10% (est) improvement, AMD 20% to 30% (est) improvement.

Do I need the same size RAM sticks to run in Dual Channel? Yes (AMD at this point says yes)/No (Intel) but you do usually want the same speed and latency as every thing clocks down to the slowest of both. Example 533Mhz CL4 mixed with 667Mhz CL5 will go with the slowest of both 533Mhz CL5 (not always with the latency) and slower than if either were matched. Same size sticks will run slightly faster symmetric RAM array (Interleaved). If the RAM is of different sizes it runs in what is called “asymmetric RAM array” (Intel Flex Memory/ AMD does not support). The greater the disparity between your 2 sticks the greater the performance hit vs sticks of the same size. The difference seems to be approximately in proportion to the ratio of the the smaller stick x2 to the entire amount of RAM. An example with Intel, 1GB stick and 2GB stick. 2/3, 1GB(smallest stick)x2 to 3GB(the entire amount). Well 2/3 of the total improvement, of the Dual Channel running with the same size sticks (symmetric RAM array) 10%, the asymmetric RAM array example is about 6.7% so a 3.3% less than symmetric RAM array. With 512MB stick and 2GB stick, 512MB(smallest stick)x2 to 2.5GB(the entire amount). 1/2.5 4% improvement. AMD's will show greater improvements and losses, Dual/Single keep that in mind.

What do I do? One absolute is the fastest, lowest latency is always the best unless it exceeds the the FSB speed or the supported speed for your memory, RAM will usually just clock down. You want to have an amount of RAM that minimizes how often your CPU goes to Page File whether Dual Channel or not. RAM bandwidths are likely 3000MB to 4500MB/s 60ns to 100ns latency , HDD's are 25MB to 60MB/s plus 6ms to 20ms random access times. RAM is exponentially faster than HDD. The truth is there are no absolute answers to what to do. Clearly more RAM running Single Channel or asymmetric RAM array is better than symmetric RAM array with out enough to avoid the Page File.

Are some brands better than other? Yes/NO, all RAM of a rated speed and latency performs the same regardless of brand. Some of the expensive brand name RAM offers things like heat spreaders. Reducing heat is always a good thing but not always necessary and does not affect speed. Some people who overclock like these features. Buy from a reputable retailer and get a lifetime warranty and you will be fine with any RAM.

Conclusions: With Intel's I don't think people should worry as much about their RAM configurations. Only up to 10% difference. Make sure you have enough, AMD people you should care a little more up to 30% difference but not at the expense of too little RAM. Those with IGP's might want to consider symmetric RAM array more than others.

Let me try and give an example to try and illustrate the difference between the Single Channel and the two Dual Channels listed above. It is simplified but I think valid. We have two bottles exactly the same.

For Single Channel we fill both with 1 liter We turn one upside down to drain as soon as it is empty with no delay we turn the second one upside down until empty. We have timed it and we know our quantity. So we can get a ounce/s number

Symmetric RAM array some call “true” Dual Channel. Same two bottles fill 1 liter each, turn them upside down at the same time until empty. We have timed, to get the ounces/s, I am going to guess the ounce/s is going to be double the previous (don't laugh I know Einstein is rolling in his grave).

Finally the big controversy, Asymmetric RAM array. We fill one with 1 liter and the other with 2 liters turn them upside down until empty. We have timed, to get ounces/s.

What does that tell us? Well if you have 128 bit bus with 3GB's it is not Single Channel. It is not the same as symmetric bottle array, it is less ounces/s but it is more than Single Channel because it uses the 128 bit.

Here are some links that support some of what I say, nothing spells it out, which is why I wrote and got results on my own. These links actually disagree on some terminology. They are not notebooks, I could not find anything on notebooks but some info is applicable.

Link #1: Intel desktops. RAM Channel explanations.
Link #2: Describes RAM Channels on a server.
Link #3: Discusses Intel's "Flex Memory"


I would like to thank John Ratsey as he provided me with the Intel benchmarks I use, I have a very small sample but it is the best I could do.
If anyone has a Turion and can run matching sticks and different size sticks please PM me if you would like to help me.
~from: Dual Channel RAM Guide





To sum it up, use 2 identical RAM Modules of 2gb/4gb each to make it dual channel
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (32-bit)
CPU
Intel Core i3-2120 @ 3.30GHz (Stock)
Motherboard
ASUS P8H61-M LX (Rev 3.0)
Memory
1x Kingston DDR3 SDRAM @ 1333MHz 4GB (Stock)
Graphics Card(s)
PALIT NVIDIA GeForce 210 @ 1GB DDR3 (Stock)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC887 (On-Board)
Monitor(s) Displays
LG Flatron L227WTG-PF 22" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 (Monitor) & 1176x664 (TV)
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Blue @ 500GB (Internal) & Western Digital Elements @ 500GB (External)
PSU
Seasonic M12II Bronze Evo Edition @ 520W
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
DEEPCOOL Gamma Archer CPU Cooler & 1x 120mm Side Intake Fan
Keyboard
Compaq KB-0133 PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
Elephant Blade Runner GR WEM-1019 USB Laser Gaming Mouse
Internet Speed
PLDT Home DSL @ 3 Mbps ↓ & 0.75 Mbps ↑
Antivirus
Microsoft SE & Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (Premium)
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Edifier 2.1 Speaker System + Bose SoundLink Mini | Samsung LN540520X/XAA LCD TV via HDMI | Epson L120
ok, thanks. How do I dual channel my RAM?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
Case
Fractal Design Define Mini
Cooling
2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
Keyboard
Logitech EX100 Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
Antivirus
Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
To sum it up, use 2 identical RAM Modules of 2gb/4gb each to make it dual channel, check first if the latest RAM technology is supported by your laptop

but get a SSD first hehehe =D my opinion
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (32-bit)
CPU
Intel Core i3-2120 @ 3.30GHz (Stock)
Motherboard
ASUS P8H61-M LX (Rev 3.0)
Memory
1x Kingston DDR3 SDRAM @ 1333MHz 4GB (Stock)
Graphics Card(s)
PALIT NVIDIA GeForce 210 @ 1GB DDR3 (Stock)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC887 (On-Board)
Monitor(s) Displays
LG Flatron L227WTG-PF 22" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 (Monitor) & 1176x664 (TV)
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Blue @ 500GB (Internal) & Western Digital Elements @ 500GB (External)
PSU
Seasonic M12II Bronze Evo Edition @ 520W
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
DEEPCOOL Gamma Archer CPU Cooler & 1x 120mm Side Intake Fan
Keyboard
Compaq KB-0133 PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
Elephant Blade Runner GR WEM-1019 USB Laser Gaming Mouse
Internet Speed
PLDT Home DSL @ 3 Mbps ↓ & 0.75 Mbps ↑
Antivirus
Microsoft SE & Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (Premium)
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Edifier 2.1 Speaker System + Bose SoundLink Mini | Samsung LN540520X/XAA LCD TV via HDMI | Epson L120
ok thanks for your help.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
Case
Fractal Design Define Mini
Cooling
2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
Keyboard
Logitech EX100 Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
Antivirus
Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
More RAM won't help unless you are using all that you now have.

Do you know that?

I don't think most games can access more than 2 GB of RAM at any rate.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
CPU
Intel Skylake i5-6600K, not overclocked
Motherboard
AsRock Z170M Extreme 4, micro ATX
Memory
8 GB HyperX DDR4-2666 (2 x 4 GB)
Graphics Card(s)
none; graphics are integrated on CPU
Sound Card
onboard: Realtek ALC1150; external: USB Behringer UF0-202
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2340M 23 inch IPS
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900
Hard Drives
System: Crucial MX100 series SSD, 128 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD30EZRX-00D8PB0, 3 TB
PSU
Rosewill SilentNight 500 watt fanless, semi-modular
Case
Antec Solo II
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S; Noctua F12 intake, Noctua S12A exhaust
Keyboard
Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
Mouse
Dell or Microsoft optical wired; USB
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes Premium
Browser
Pale Moon
Other Info
All fans PWM; speeds at idle: CPU circa 500 rpm; intake circa 600 rpm; exhaust circa 600 rpm; CPU temps 27 idle and 47 C load in a warm room (27 C/81 F) when running Intel Extreme Tuning Utility stress test.
Well its constantly using about 1.65GB out of 2.75GB. Obviously it rises when gaming. I wasn't thinking of a huge upgrade, just like an extra gig or so. And yes, I am aware of that, I was thinking it may be good to have more on hand.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
Case
Fractal Design Define Mini
Cooling
2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
Keyboard
Logitech EX100 Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
Antivirus
Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
I'd go for the SSD first, and then get some ram later. The SSD will speed up your performance tremendously.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
MS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V LK
Memory
G.SKILL Ares 8GB (2x4GB)
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 760 Superclocked
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VN247 24" 1ms
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Mushkin Chronos 120GB SSD (OS), 1TB Seagate HDD (Data)
PSU
XFX Pro Series 850w P1-850B-BEFX
Case
Corsair Obsidian 750D
Cooling
Corsair H100i (cpu) and case fans
Keyboard
Corsair Vengeance K70
Mouse
Corsair Vengeance M60
Internet Speed
1.14 MB/s (9.6 mbps)
Browser
Google Chrome
Ok thanks for your help. I'll look into getting one.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
Case
Fractal Design Define Mini
Cooling
2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
Keyboard
Logitech EX100 Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
Antivirus
Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
Going from single channel to dual channel memory will have very little affect on your computer. You would have to run benchmarks to even see a difference...as it won't be clearly noticeable.

Going to an SSD is a definite noticeable upgrade. Everything is snappier, and the system runs cooler and uses less power, which would lengthen your battery life.
 

My Computer

OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
CPU
Intel Core i7-2600
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3
Memory
12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GTX 470
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell UltraSharp 2209WA
Hard Drives
OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS
PSU
OCZ ModStream 700W
Case
CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced
Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus
priority - SSD
next - Ram (dual channel)
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Packard Bell iMedia 2218 -- Has Been Running For Almost 7 Years!
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x86
CPU
Intel Pentium D 925 @ 3.00GHz
Motherboard
Socket 775 MCP73VT-PM
Memory
1GB DDR2 667MHz
Graphics Card(s)
Overclocked Asus ATI Radeon X1600 Pro 512MB
Sound Card
Sound Blaster Audigy 570
Monitor(s) Displays
19" LCD Monitor; MW19E-AAA
Screen Resolution
1440 x 900
Hard Drives
500gb 7200rpm (Windows 7) ---
160gb 7200rpm (Backup) ---
1TB Iomega External Drive (7200rpm)
PSU
250w Packard Bell Standard
Case
Packard Bell standard
Cooling
Intel Socket 775 Air Cooler
Keyboard
Wired PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
Dell Wireless USB Mouse
Internet Speed
Wireles --- Download - 6.63 Mbps Upload - 0.38 Mbps
Other Info
Currently Planning To Build New Computer --- Also Got A Samsung Galaxy Ace II (Plays All Games You Throw At It)
Ok thanks. I'll get an SSD as soon as I can.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
CPU
AMD FX6300 3.6GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) 6 core Black Edition
Motherboard
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Socket AM3+
Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactial 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD6850 1GB
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 22xi 21.5" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080p
Hard Drives
Western Digital 1TB SATA6 64MB Cache WD10EZEX
PSU
Corsair CX500 500W (Non modular)
Case
Fractal Design Define Mini
Cooling
2x Fractal Design 120MM 1200RPM, GPU fan, CPU fan, PSU fan
Keyboard
Logitech EX100 Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Revoloution
Internet Speed
~37Mbps down, ~15Mbps up
Antivirus
Avast Anti-virus
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
Wireless card: TP-Link TL-WN781ND 150Mbps PCI-E Card

It also has a nice blue power button (Yay)
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