hiberation not in start menu (but it IS ENABLED)

[ratsrcute]

Looking back at the OP it starts with "After some recent updates and/or software installs".

Can you restore to a point in time before the problem, and start applying changes one at a time?

Test each one, and see where it breaks...

I could, but I did a *LOT* of stuff before noticing the problem, and at the moment I have a couple intense deadlines. I'd rather use the hibernate shortcut. Maybe this summer when school is out I could do a clean install.

 

[Britton30]

Slap me if needed, why do you *need* to power off completely?

If you can't get Hibernate in shut down options, you can configure the Advanced Power options to Sleep>hibernate after an interval you choose.

 

[ratsrcute]

Slap me if needed, why do you *need* to power off completely?

If you can't get Hibernate in shut down options, you can configure the Advanced Power options to Sleep>hibernate after an interval you choose.

Look, why I need to power off has nothing to do with any potential solution to this problem, but I understand, you are trying to see if there is an alternate solution. So I'll tell you. I need to power off because I sometimes run some equipment on the same power circuit which is sensitive to the RFI produced by the computer's power supply.

I can't automatically hibernate or sleep because I'm using a professional sound card, and they tend to throw up if you hibernate/sleep when particular applications are open. I must manually hibernate or sleep because I must shut down the certain application first.

I could do (1) hybrid sleep (2) immediately shut off power, but that is not a pleasant solution because my computer programmer brain tends to like direct solutions -- my intention is to power off, so why not just hibernate? However, that may be the only solution I can get to work, for now.

I would still like to understand why it disappeared from the shutdown options because I am concerned it points to something more critical that is wrong.

 

[DavidE]

I could, but I did a *LOT* of stuff before noticing the problem, and at the moment I have a couple intense deadlines. I'd rather use the hibernate shortcut. Maybe this summer when school is out I could do a clean install.

understood

if you do reinstall, i suggest learning to use a backup image program so you can recover from things like this.
I've burned myself more times than i can count...

I use Acronis TI (paid), but Macrium (free) is well recommended on this site and elsewhere...

 

[DavidE]

I would still like to understand why it disappeared from the shutdown options because I am concerned it points to something more critical that is wrong.

I'm sure you and anyone else reading this thread would like to know the cause/solution.
I would like to know.
I doubt anyone else has your exact config: hardware, software, tweaks, requirements, ...
The experts here may be able to help more than me, but if i can't duplicate and test it, i can only give suggestions.

if there is something more critical, well, running system checks and re-install may be best...

 

[gregrocker]

I like the modern power features which Win7 has perfected to SLeep after 30 minutes then if I don't come back write my open work to the HD and shut down in Hibernation. It not only starts up faster but saves my work so I don't have to.

However I only just noticed due to this thread that Hibernate is not on the Start menu buttons - not that I would need it. But I tried the suggestion to turn of Hybrid Sleep and sure enough it returns Hibernate to the menu.

What exactly have I lost, then, if anything? Carl seems to say it will no longer segue from Sleep to Hibernate?

 

[DavidE]

It not only starts up faster but saves my work so I don't have to.

I've never seen work get saved, or prompt for save like shutdown.
Changes are not lost, but they are still pending after the PC wakes up.

What exactly have I lost, then, if anything?

Without Hybrid enabled, if the PC is sleeping and the power goes out, the Windows session and all pending changes are lost.

If Hybrid is enabled, nothing will be lost.
Hibernation will kick in and restore the windows session.

 

[gregrocker]

It not only starts up faster but saves my work so I don't have to.

I've never seen work get saved, or prompt for save like shutdown.
Changes are not lost, but they are still pending after the PC wakes up.

I leave open Firefox window with multiple tabs, programs, and spreadsheet, open sometimes and they will sleep then hibernate fine. What do others get?

What exactly have I lost, then, if anything?

Without Hybrid enabled, if the PC is sleeping and the power goes out, the Windows session and all pending changes are lost.

If Hybrid is enabled, nothing will be lost.
Hibernation will kick in and restore the windows session.

How does Hibernate kick in without a battery to save what's in RAM to HD? Isn't it lost from RAM as soon as it loses power?

 

[DavidE]

To test changes getting saved you could open Notepad for a new file.
Type some text in.
Put the PC to sleep.
When the PC wakes up you should see the Notepad file, still unsaved...

How does Hibernate kick in without a battery to save what's in RAM to HD? Isn't it lost from RAM as soon as it loses power?

If Hybrid is enabled, data is saved to RAM and hiberfil.sys when going to sleep.

 

[ratsrcute]

Gregrocker, you described hybrid sleep earlier as "it sleeps, then later hibernates." As David7ncus, describes this is incorrect. It sleeps and hibernates at the same time. What you could say more accurately is, "it sleeps/hibernates, then later cuts power."

Also I'm not sure if you understand the distinction between "saving your tabs when you sleep" and "saving a document." The latter writes it to *disk*. That is generally what it means to "save your work." Firefox holds your tab information in memory, normally, and only saves it to disk when you exit (if you selected the option to restore your tabs on restart). Sleeping preserves memory so nothing changes. Unsaved documents are in *memory* but not the disk, but sleeping preserves memory so nothing changes.

Hibernation writes memory to disk, so in a way it's like "saving your work" but a critical distinction. The data is in a special file that represents the contents of memory at the time you went into hibernation, not in your document file.

 

[gregrocker]

I just tested it in Sleep and Hibernate, both in Hybrid and not, with an unsaved Word Document, Notepad and Seven Forums post left open on the desktop. It was incorrect of me to say that these are "saved" during Sleep or Hibernation, and I only meant it in the sense that they are still there on the desktop exactly as I left them. But the files have not been Saved until I then go on to Save them nor did I really expect them to be.

Thank you for pointing out how I have been incorrectly describing this by loosely using the word saved.

Since Hybrid sleep is saving writing the work both to the RAM and HD to guard against power loss to RAM, I wonder why anyone would not use it. Hiberfile size?

 

[DavidE]

Since Hybrid sleep is saving writing the work both to the RAM and HD to guard against power loss to RAM, I wonder why anyone would not use it. Hiberfile size?

• hiberfil.sys file size and the common recommendations to disable hibernate to save space. (this is very valid if space is an issue)
• not understanding what hybrid does.
• the difficulty in getting sleep and/or hibernation to work in some cases.

I use hybrid on all my W7 OS's, but some of them have been a challenge to get working...

I've been using it a long time, and it is very reliable...