If Windows 8 goes primarily "cloud" who will be on board?

[pparks1]

I would not worry about it as long as the internet speeds are at Pony Express level. Just figure uploading a 40GB image every day - LOL. I think initially the cloud will be more useful for smartphones and simple tablets.

Why would you have to upload a 40GB image daily? What would you be taking an image of? Your OS's would just be like a router, you can just click a button to get back to the factory defaults and your data would already be in the cloud, so you could just reset your computer and have things back in minutes...without using images.

 

[whs]

I would not worry about it as long as the internet speeds are at Pony Express level. Just figure uploading a 40GB image every day - LOL. I think initially the cloud will be more useful for smartphones and simple tablets.

Why would you have to upload a 40GB image daily? What would you be taking an image of? Your OS's would just be like a router, you can just click a button to get back to the factory defaults and your data would already be in the cloud, so you could just reset your computer and have things back in minutes...without using images.

I guess you are taking it a step further - the PC is not really a PC any more, but just a terminal. Who wants that.

 

[Frank1]

I don't like the idea of Cloud and don't intent to use it. With me, it seems like my personal data is somewhere out there in no-man's-land.

 

[pparks1]

I guess you are taking it a step further - the PC is not really a PC any more, but just a terminal. Who wants that.

Lot's of people. Look at the numbers of people going to laptops and tablets. Look at the people who have moved to Google apps....even businesses (shocking to me!). Businesses like this concept as a work laptop that is lost or stolen contains no actual business data.

From a personal standpoint, I think it would be nice to be able to access the same apps and data from my desktop, laptop and droid.

But even if you did some stuff in the cloud, doesn't necessarily mean that you wouldn't keep local storage or at least local backups. So, I don't see pushing images to the cloud.

I mean if the OS goes to the cloud, wouldn't it necessarily follow that your apps would be there as well too?

 

[whs]

I mean if the OS goes to the cloud, wouldn't it necessarily follow that your apps would be there as well too?

I guess, but that is a completely different way of operation - from a "Terminal". I think whilst it is useful to have some applications upstream, there are serious limitations from the web speed.

I could very well see e.g. Video editing applications upstream - especially for the tabs and phones. But then you are talking about a lot of data that has to be moved around. I just made a video of a class I teach. It is 740MBs and takes forever to upload to Vimeo.

For other applications, e.g. a matrix inversion, the amount of data may not be such a big problem and the power of the upstream processors could be very helpful.

But my own data I want in my office (with a backup in my bank vault) - but not upstream.

 

[SledgeDG]

I don't give a rat's butt about what people do with their smarphones tablet pcs and intelligent micro wave ovens.
I was talking about my regular desktop pcs.
And in the same way I can decide for myself if I use Google apps or not I want to decide for myself what runs on my pc and where the data goes (which ultimately means who has access to it). Dumb terminals can't be the future otherwise they would have stayed (In the 80's/90's we had all desktops connected to our UNIX servers through some nifty terminal emulation but that was then..I don't want those times back. Let them do what they want..I'm sure they find enough sheeples to come along...just don't expect to see me on the cloud

Not to forget the valid point whs raised. in terms of affordable internet speed the u.S. is superior to pretty much the rest of the world...I just can't see them catching up in a timely fashion. So IMHO it's way too early to worry about being forced into the cloud.

 

[pparks1]

I can decide for myself if I use Google apps or not I want to decide for myself what runs on my pc and where the data goes (which ultimately means who has access to it).

Yes, you obviously will have a choice. If Windows 8 was strictly in the cloud, nobody would force you onto it. You could keep using what you have today.

The cloud discussion always stirs great fear and response from people, but I don't think people realize how much they are already doing in the cloud without really even thinking about it. And I honestly think the "average" person would be the one most willing to just blindly jump in and do even more in the cloud. Us techies and enthusiasts may have the hardest time accepting this type of change.

u.S. is superior to pretty much the rest of the world...I just can't see them catching up in a timely fashion. So IMHO it's way too early to worry about being forced into the cloud.

It's my understanding that other countries like Europe and such actually offer much faster speeds to the Internet than what is available in the US. I could be wrong, but it seems like lots of friends and acquantances in other countries have way faster connections that I do.

 

[MWRed]

I can decide for myself if I use Google apps or not I want to decide for myself what runs on my pc and where the data goes (which ultimately means who has access to it).

Yes, you obviously will have a choice. If Windows 8 was strictly in the cloud, nobody would force you onto it. You could keep using what you have today.

True, but what happens when support for that product is stopped?

I for one am not sure what to think about the whole "cloud" idea. My cable is 18/2. Plenty fast enough for what I do now, but, like more and more ISP's, it's now capped, with possible termination if it goes over the cap. Something would have to give, with some smaller ISP's having even lower caps than what I have now. The cap, from what our ISP has said, includes up and down stream, which means, if you do a lot now,and are close to hitting the cap, it could cause a major issue for a lot of people.

First off, I don't like the idea of "everything in the cloud".
Secondly, I sure as hell ain't going to pay twice as much as I am now just to get a business line so I don't go over the cap.

 

[whs]

I don't give a rat's butt about what people do with their smarphones tablet pcs and intelligent micro wave ovens.
I was talking about my regular desktop pcs.

Problem is that in a few years there will not be many PCs around any more. The cloud is for the "new world" and PCs we will admire in the Smithsonian museum.

in terms of affordable internet speed the u.S. is superior to pretty much the rest of the world

I don't know from where you get this idea. In Germany I have a much faster DSL than here in Florida - and for $20/month (versus $36 for slowpoke DSL 3000 here). The US is usually trailing behind the other high tech countries (in some areas as much as 50 years - see high speed trains). But for Africa you might be right.

My son has DSL 56.000 in Germany - just as an example.

 

[SledgeDG]

Sorry for not voicing my point understandably. What I meant wasn't that the US internet is the fastest, but compared to other countries the cheaper (more affordable) one. I for once had to pay in GE for dial up about what I'm paying for cable now. Granted those prices have changed in the years since ADSL came to be but still in general you pay more for fast internet elsewhere (esp.the smaller countries that don't belong to the G8 or G11. Besides not all countries have the necessary infra-structure (yet).

So I say 'No worries...my W7 still works just fine and if W8 or 9 tries to force me into the cloud...sorry..that's just not for me.

 

[pparks1]

True, but what happens when support for that product is stopped?

Think you got a lot of time before that happens. I think we still got 3 years or so of XP support.

 

[MWRed]

True....but it's a thought, depending on how it would all go down. I imagine 7 will be around quite a while anyway.

 

[mickey megabyte]

when will 7 die?

will we always be able to install and activate it?

i suppose pre-activated images will carry on for some time...but i also suppose that 7 may be a dinosaur-os by then...

 

[pparks1]

True....but it's a thought, depending on how it would all go down. I imagine 7 will be around quite a while anyway.

Well, XP came out in November of 2001. And it's going to be supported until 2014. So, if we add 13 years onto the date that Windows 7 was released, that takes us from July 2009 till 2022.

 

[whs]

SledgeDG, I understood you very well. A lot of things are cheaper in the US than elsewhere, but phones and internet is not one of them. And I don't know about Kazakhstan - LOL.
When we are in Germany in the summer, my Phone bill is hardly ever over $25/month. And my wife is on the phone with her mother in NY at least once per day - and not only for 2 minutes. We pay about 1US cent per minute to the US. Here is an example of the call by call numbers to the US I can use there:

 

[SledgeDG]

I see..the prices obviously changed since I moved to the US (some 12 years ago..I never actually held an Euro in my hand ;D). I had a dial up provider that charged me about the same I now pay for cable. I just didn't switch because the others were even more expensive Phone calls to the US were around 25-30ct/min.
But my post wasn't a reaction to your statement, since we posted about the same time...Meaning I hadn't read your post until after I pressed quick reply

 

[whs]

when will 7 die?

will we always be able to install and activate it?

i suppose pre-activated images will carry on for some time...but i also suppose that 7 may be a dinosaur-os by then...

By the time /7 dies, PCs will have gone out of style. Already in the 4th quarter of 2010, more smartphones and tablets were shipped than PCs - 101 Million versus 97 Million worldwide.

 

[MilesAhead]

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But I could not believe that MS would be so shortsighted as to make it an "only" situation.

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+1 had to quote it - i can't see it happening for a good few years yet.

maybe windows X? (as in 'where the x is my data?')

If they do it the Windows version has to be 9.0.

Why you ask?

Just so the marketing guys can use the phrase
Cloud Nine!!!

 

[pparks1]

when will 7 die?

will we always be able to install and activate it?

i suppose pre-activated images will carry on for some time...but i also suppose that 7 may be a dinosaur-os by then...

By the time /7 dies, PCs will have gone out of style. Already in the 4th quarter of 2010, more smartphones and tablets were shipped than PCs - 101 Million versus 97 Million worldwide.

Yeah, I went to a Google IT executive summit last week and they talked about that very thing. As they said, people are moving more and more to moble devices and things like Google apps are really starting to grow and prosper as the computer market shifts.

 

[nitroman84]

when will 7 die?

will we always be able to install and activate it?

i suppose pre-activated images will carry on for some time...but i also suppose that 7 may be a dinosaur-os by then...

By the time /7 dies, PCs will have gone out of style. Already in the 4th quarter of 2010, more smartphones and tablets were shipped than PCs - 101 Million versus 97 Million worldwide.

Yeah, I went to a Google IT executive summit last week and they talked about that very thing. As they said, people are moving more and more to moble devices and things like Google apps are really starting to grow and prosper as the computer market shifts.

Once everybody has shifted maybe me and Richard Stallman can link our laptops and trade programs with one another. If he's still alive... he's not looking so good lately. :shock: