If you are using anything other then 7000 your a Pirate

[Howdr]

Hi found this on the official MS 7 forums and web site

Windows 7 Beta

Sorry, Windows 7 Beta downloads are no longer available. You can still register for a product key or look up the key you've already gotten. To look up your product key, just pick your version and language below, and click Go. From there, sign in with your Windows Live ID, and your product key will appear on the next page.

so you cannot officially download 7 anymore

MS tech forums

N said: Where and how to send feedback about Build 7057? Can I port the feedback tool from 7048?


I do not understand. I want to help with testing. Where to send the feedback, how?


Hi

The interim builds that you are using are not meant for general bug reporting or feedback. I'll try to explain.

All of the following information is publically available if you do the research.

When the public beta program first starts, a version is released that has been extensively tested and determined to be stable enough for the general public to start testing. This first version (In this case v. 7000) is used as the base code for all of the bug reporting and feedback until the next official version is released.

With Windows 7, it has already been publically stated that the next official beta version will the RC (Release Candidate).

As the beta progresses and bugs are reported, interim, internal builds are created and specific testing scenarios are created to test fixes for reported bugs and requested changes (from v. 7000) that have been added to the core code of the operating system in these interim builds.

These interim builds are distributed internally and to third party partner ISVs, IHVs, around the world that they use to test their products for compatibility. During this process, one of these interim versions may be leaked and end up on a torrent site where anyone can download it.

These leaked versions were never intended to be publically available and are only meant to be used for the specific testing scenarios that I mentioned before.

Of course, these leaked versions will also contain all of the updates to the code and existing features that have been added as part of the normal beta process.

These official Windows 7 support forums are focused on the official beta version, (v. 7000) and any feedback or bug reports posted here are assumed to have come from this official version. This version is still the only viable build for bug reporting.

When the Release Candidate is made available, we will be supporting that version.



Thank you for understanding.

So My frustration here is that the Mods and Admin and I are using builds like 7077.

Even if you downloaded 7000 when it was available from MS 7077 never has been nor 7068 or 7106.

So when I joined I asked about downloading from a torrent and such and got my hand slapped, but if we are going to talk about all these builds, any build but 7000 is not official.

We are all pirates since we do not officially have permission to run 7068, 7077, 7106 what ever.

Can we at least talk about problems and sources with these builds or do we have to hide, admit we have a unofficial build and keep dancing around the info?

There is no official RC yet (7077 is an RC escrow the best build yet)

So those who scramble to get a 71xx build are getting unstable builds

Those who get the 70xx should have stability.

If you or any other poster is going to post win 7 is crap and you are using a 71xx build or you have major problems then format your disk and use 7000 or 7077 rc .

How can we help you with a known unstable build?

 

[baarod]

Ever see the movie "Fight Club"? It's like that. The first rule of Fight Club is?

Just don't post links to unofficial builds. Talk about them all you want.

 

[Brink]

Hello Howdr,

Yes, the only supported official release of Windows 7 by Micorosft is the 7000 beta build. The soon to be released Windows 7 RC build will be the next official version to be supported by Microsoft.

We are allowed to discuss these Windows 7 builds here. We just cannot discuss or post download links for the unofficial builds here. That's all.

Shawn

 

[Orbital Shark]

That just proves that M$ know that the builds are out there and doing nothing about it. They definately wont support the interim builds, and I wouldn't expect them to. The best way to advertise software of this magnitude is to carry on letting people use the full ultimate product for free they will all expire so we're left with 1 last question.....Do we buy Microsoft Windows 7 when it hits the stores???

Hell yeah!!

 

[SIW2]

I just had to do the validation dance for the build I am using.

M$ know I am using it and they are happy to let me continue .

 

[Howdr]

Hello Howdr,

Yes, the only supported official release of Windows 7 by Micorosft is the 7000 beta build. The soon to be released Windows 7 RC build will be the next official version to be supported by Microsoft.

We are allowed to discuss these Windows 7 builds here. We just cannot discuss or post download links for the unofficial builds here. That's all.

Shawn

"Supported"? but these other builds are intellectual property and are not "Supported" because they are not supposed to be in the hands of anyone but the people Microsoft gave it to confidential.

So the ones who "leaked this" broke the law? How am I wrong in this?

Microsoft will just not make a case out of Beta software thats all,

But it hurts Microsoft when XYZ uses build 7106 and its unstable and then tells 10 or more other people that Windows 7 is crap, does it not?

I guess I saying people are are not posting good information at times, telling us that there is a RC1 out there and that the 7106 was the newest build when it was not. I thought to put this out there, that not to judge Windows 7 by unstable builds.

 

[Orbital Shark]

If there was a big issue about us using these interim builds then our activation keys would be deactivated during the compiling process.

The information we give & recieve about the various builds is purely for this forum only. There's nothing wrong with us stating that a particular build is cr@p because there are enough professional people on this forum to warrent such advice.

I for 1 sometimes listen more to what is bad than good as it helps me decide what build to download next. I'm no pirate by any means

 

[Howdr]

I just had to do the validation dance for the build I am using.

M$ know I am using it and they are happy to let me continue .

Lucky you!

they are still sending me info too, I did not join this early did not have the time before with unstable beta's

thats why I put 7077 on mine, really got tired after 2 vista blue screens.

 

[Howdr]

If there was a big issue about us using these interim builds then our activation keys would be deactivated during the compiling process.

Not a good argument, because Microsoft is not rebuilding the activation library in case it is leaked, they give out daily or weekly new beta builds to developers, no time really to do so much work.

I agree the attitude is Microsoft may not seem to be over concerned but still damage is being done read some comments on the net and blogs.

 

[davehc]

"We are all pirates since we do not officially have permission to run 7068, 7077, 7106 what ever."

I don't read that anywhere in the comment, or anything like it.
Ronnie Vernon, in the post to which you are referring, is answering two other posters who are frustrated at not receiving help for later "builds"
They were pretty dumb anyway, posting on an official MS site.

 

[Brink]

"Supported"? but these other builds are intellectual property and are not "Supported" because they are not supposed to be in the hands of anyone but the people Microsoft gave it to confidential.

So the ones who "leaked this" broke the law? How am I wrong in this?

Microsoft will just not make a case out of Beta software thats all,

But it hurts Microsoft when XYZ uses build 7106 and its unstable and then tells 10 or more other people that Windows 7 is crap, does it not?

I guess I saying people are are not posting good information at times, telling us that there is a RC1 out there and that the 7106 was the newest build when it was not. I thought to put this out there, that not to judge Windows 7 by unstable builds.

No one says that you're wrong Howdr. It's just that Microsoft has been overlooking the unmodified leaks since it has been getting so much good free advertising for them. That's all.

 

[copernicus]

Arrrr!

 

[Orbital Shark]

Arrrr!

:roflmao:you crazy fool

 

[Dwarf]

This is a tough one. Yes, it's true that the only official build so far is 7000. If MS really did want to stop people using the unofficial leaked builds, such as 7022, 7048, 7057, 7068, etc., then they would need to ensure that the beta product keys were only valid for 7000. They have the means to do this. As we all know, they are also valid for these unofficial builds as well. As regards the RC versions, it is possible that they will require new keys. We shall have to wait and see.

 

[Orbital Shark]

This is a tough one. Yes, it's true that the only official build so far is 7000. If MS really did want to stop people using the unofficial leaked builds, such as 7022, 7048, 7057, 7068, etc., then they would need to ensure that the beta product keys were only valid for 7000. They have the means to do this. As we all know, they are also valid for these unofficial builds as well. As regards the RC versions, it is possible that they will require new keys. We shall have to wait and see.

I would expect so, they would want the same focus on RC as they did on 7000. I suppose they get some sort of control if they change the keys (limited to RC only) which means that you can only use RC & the support base would be a lot greater & more refined, as opposed to having various builds scattered about the globe

 

[Howdr]

OK now that I have stimulated thought here...........

I think that MS should support registered users in using what ever build is out there.

What I'm saying is being open is better, as long as people understand they are testing and not getting a finished product.

So registered and in contact with MS then any build is ok officially.

I'm not upset with the other builds just that so many have no idea what they are doing and then complain. They at times compare what the build is to what the finished Windows 7 will be, to date the only build that is close to the finished available is 7077, there is new build I know of but its not yet available

Arrrrr

 

[davehc]

But you must try to see it from Vernons point of view, Howdr. It si not such a bad policy and is actually applied to another forum which I visit. There is no purpose in bug hunting builds which are not properly sequenced, and probably have uncorrected bugs from other builds. In the worst case, they could even have reintroduced bugs from much ealrier "experiments." These builds are quite often only sent out with one particular problem,- it could even be something as small as a syntax error.

 

[SIW2]

There is no copyright infringement.

To prove that, the plaintiff has to show loss of income ( or potential loss).

7 is not for sale, so that is a non starter.

 

[Romulinx2]

Just for info: You can still download the Win 7 beta 7000 if you have a Technet or MSDN subscription.

 

[jimbo45]

OK now that I have stimulated thought here...........

I think that MS should support registered users in using what ever build is out there.

What I'm saying is being open is better, as long as people understand they are testing and not getting a finished product.

So registered and in contact with MS then any build is ok officially.

I'm not upset with the other builds just that so many have no idea what they are doing and then complain. They at times compare what the build is to what the finished Windows 7 will be, to date the only build that is close to the finished available is 7077, there is new build I know of but its not yet available

Arrrrr

Did you not read the original Caveat when the "Official Beta" became available.

I can't remember the exact words but it stated something like this "THIS is BETA software and therefore NO support will be available" . There was of course a Send Feedback possibilty where you could report your errors.

These same Interim builds have NO OFFICIAL Microsoft status whatsoever outside the areas they were intended to be used in -- doesn't mean to say that you can't use them but don't expect any help if stuff goes wrong -- in any case we have W7 Forum don't we for help.

It's not Piracy in the "normal" meaning of the term since :

1) We are not using a product that is being sold or licensed commercially.

2) We (if we obey the rules of the Forum) are not distributing a "Copyrighted" product without the copyright owner's (in this case Microsoft) permission. Distribution includes of course posting direct links to where the product can be obtained from sources not sanctioned officially by Microsoft.

The fact we all know where those sources are is irrelevant. We just must keep our big traps shut.

3) We are not re-packaging the product for resale. Adding unofficial changes / customisations / registry hacks might be *frowned on* but for your own use there's not much MS can do to stop this.

So I don't think any users of builds > 7000 are "Pirates" in any sense of the term.

As pointed out before MS could easily stop this at a stroke by simply deactiving the Beta serial numbers. So long as the builds are genuine MS gets extra feedback and publicity. The problem starts when serious fakes like the chinese build 7106 appear. Most other "Fake" builds are spotted very quickly but 7106 just goes on and on.

Then if viruses / other malware is introduced Microsoft could be forced to act pretty quickly to stop damaging the decent reputation so far that w7 has been getting.

(Actually if you Love conspiracy theories -- How about Microsoft itself releasing a dubious build to a torrent site - and then using its muscle to say "I told you so".)

C'mon somebody this could make a good plot for a Novel. Big corporation secretly releases flawed version of OS. 100,000's of computers in mission critical instances go wrong - Nuclear power stations, etc etc.
Huge government contract awarded to "Clean the mess up".
Political prize given -- company director get to be President etc for "Saving the Planet".

So all with that I'm now off to the Pub to watch Manchester United and basically get 100% Sozzled -- great weather with "Warm" English ale and horrendous prices -- but still fun. Can finally have a go at the UK guys now -- their Banks are still in EVEN more trouble than ours which I thought would have been 100% impossible.

Cheers all -- Done for the day now.


jimbo