Imaging strategies

[denisl]

Interesting.... I don't have those options.

 

[kado897]

1. You can schedule it on any day of the week and any time. See picture. And it is nifty because you can also schedule the start date and you can skip weeks.

2. What you do is schedule each XML seperately.

3. There is no FiFo strategy - or any other space management. When the space is full, it refuses to make more images. The space you have to manage yourself.

4. To tell you the truth, I have never used the Pro version. Not sure what it offers in addition. See here whether there is anything you like: http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

The pro version offers two retention policies.

1. You can keep an image for a certain number of days.
2. You can chose to retain a certain number of images.

It is not a part of the scheduler. It is in the definition file options

 

[whs]

Thanks Keith for the update. Maybe I buy the pro version after all. My problem is that I use the free version on 6 PCs, so going pro will be expensive.

 

[whs]

Interesting.... I don't have those options.

Sure you have this option. You have to continue with the "Next" button.

 

[kado897]

Thanks Keith for the update. Maybe I buy the pro version after all. My problem is that I use the free version on 6 PCs, so going pro will be expensive.

Yes about the best deal is a 4 pack for 90$

 

[SIW2]

LOL - you beat me to it.

The 4 pack version is a lot cheaper than buying them separately.

It might be worth hanging on for a while.

Paragon has a new series coming.

You will be surprised - the interface looks the same -- but it is an entirely new engine, supports all the advanced formats and is the fastest imaging software I have ever used.

There will be a free version - also with the new engine. I think the free version will support gpt as well.

Don't know for sure yet.

Not sure how long before release.

 

[whs]

That sounds really interesting. I like Paragon, but they make it difficult to get the free key. Once had a 6 month free pro version for a test - that was nice.

 

[SIW2]

Hard Disk Manager 12 Suite (Pre-release version)

 

[denisl]

Ah ha! OK - that option is available when you select "Weekly" on the previous selection - NOT "Daily". Go figure, select Weekly and you can pick the days of the week.

Thanks for the help... again!

OK -
Who has a sample .bat script that reads a directory and deletes files older the X days that I can schedule to run on a daily basis and keep my HDD from filling up?

 

[W Michel]

I noticed that you had used Ghost at one point. I know someone who solved backup problems when he read a suggestion on the net. Backing up drive C: while Windows is running is questionable at best. Here is the solution he (and others) built. Put Ghost on a Window Preinstall environment on a CD. Then when you boot to the CD, Ghost will load into a ramdrive in memory and drive C: will not be used at all. Ghost will then duplicate drive C: as an exact file. This method works absolutely. I know of a fellow who updated it with current USB3 drivers for externals. It is unlikey you will find a copy that you don't build yourself. Once when I got bit by a virus, it took me 4 1/2 minutes to be back in business. Norton AV let the virus through. I have never had one with Trend.

My work files are ALWAYS on partitions and drives other than C: and I find the free SyncBack (Google: download free syncback) perfect and amazing for free. It is so reliable, I quit checking up on its backups. I have no idea why I need the purchased version of SyncBack. I am not on a business network.

 

[mjf]

I know it's a personal thing but I like full control of what images stay and go. I generally image after a significant update or software install.
If you image very often, say daily, then I guess a policy manager can be useful.

 

[Victor S]

Good stuff, and a good forum. My first time here. I'll add my comments.
As others have said, for various reasons most don't keep images as they should.
No help for those who just never will, but for those who do want to, here are some suggestions to make it more realistic to image.
First, you want HD space. I've seen many computers sold with one massive non-partitioned hard drive. Don't buy that. You want multiple hard drives.
If you have a laptop, or otherwise are stuck with one internal drive, get an external drive (or 2) for your images.
What's the purpose of your image?
I'll say right now mine is for my system and core apps.
I don't want to reinstall and reconfigure everything if something goes wrong with the software or hardware. All my data (non-system) is simple files, and I don't image that. I do have that backed up, but that's an entirely different strategy.
So I'll just talk imaging my system and core apps.
I can't speak to imaging with networking, SDD, RAID, or anything but vanilla stand-alone single system PC's with standard hardware.
The first thing to think about is the size of the image. The lowest level for an image is partition size. So let's say the sweet spot for HD prices is 500gb.
But I don't want to image a 500gb drive. So I partition 90gb as my C: system drive.
Nothing goes there but Win 7 and my apps. The remaining 410gb is used for data, or "temporary" apps, such as games.
My images have never been more than about 25gb, so I never worry about the partition being too small, and am never tempted to put non-system data in there.
Image size is important for a couple reasons; time to image, and space taken by images. Time is important to me because I only image using the CD executables and with Win 7 down. Wouldn't be so important for those who image with Win 7 running, but of course time and space used are closely related.
And the less time it takes to image, the more likely it gets done.
My images typically take about 15 minutes reboot to reboot.
But that's 2 images, one to each of 2 drives.
It's actually faster making a new image than copying one to a different drive on my setup. Probably safer as to data integrity too.
A restore takes about 5 minutes. I use Ghost 15.
Whatever imaging software you use should be thoroughly tested. Imaging and restoring should be "second nature." The first restore is the only "scary" part, because the first thing that happens is your partition gets hammered. I've used different imagers, but used Ghost for many years with no issues, so naturally went that way.
I was initially pleased with the built-in Win 7 imaging, but rejected it after testing portability of images. Don't know if I missed something, but I found that moving images around broke it. Can't remember the details, except it had something to do with disk id's, and I just didn't want any doubts or hassles. I'm really a KISS fan.
I'm sort of a fanatic about images, because I really got soured on reinstalling earlier version Windows and apps when Windows broke.
I hate reinstalling. I had my original XP install for 5-6 years because I imaged it. XP broke a few times, and probably caught something a few times.
This Win 7 is 2 1/2 years old, but hasn't ever broken.
I mainly restore as a "cleanup" after trying some apps, installing games I no longer want, or even suspect a virus. Maybe every 3 months or so.
Restores should never be rushed. Your partion is about to be hammered.
Have I backed up needed data?
I have 2 "core apps" that need that, but have developed the habit of backing up their data when it is created. I still slow down to think about it.
If I have the slightest doubt about anything, I make an image before I restore, and put temp in the image name. I can delete it later.
When I restore, some apps need their updates, so I get them.
Then if I have tried a new app I want as a core app, I install that.
Then I make an image, so that next time I restore that app will be there, and I won't be far behind on software updates.
Well, now that I've bored everybody to death with my personal habits, I'll make the point I came here to make.
Earlier today I was thinking about something that bothers me - when I think about it.
My MB (Asus P6T) isn't sold any more.
I roll my own, and the last PC I built 2 for the house with the same MB.
My plan then for a failure was to put my image to the second PC.
But I only built one of these P6T's.
If my MB fails all of my images are garbage. The only answer would be to find a used P6T on eBay or someplace else. Probably be down a long time.
Practically speaking, I would want to upgrade my MB anyway.
Making my images garbage.
So I was looking into how Win 7 handles hardware/drivers for systems put on a new machine, and ran across this very good tutorial posted here,
by Kari. Transfer your Windows 7 installation to a new PC « Windows 7 is easy!
I'm going to make an occasional sysprep'ed image to cover this weakness in my imaging strategy.
I'll try to enlist my son, an extreme overclocker with many boxes, to provide me a 64-bit capable box to test the image. Might try a "deleted driver" image too, as that has some advantages over sysprep.
Okay, just wanted to give the hard-core imagers something to chew on.
Have fun.

 

[kado897]

Hi Victor and welcome to Seven Forums. That sounds like a thorough strategy to me. You might also want to add an image after "Patch Tuesday". There is nothing more annoying than having to dozens of Windows updates if you restore.

 

[Victor S]

Hi Victor and welcome to Seven Forums. That sounds like a thorough strategy to me. You might also want to add an image after "Patch Tuesday". There is nothing more annoying than having to dozens of Windows updates if you restore.

Thanks for the welcome, kado897, and the advice.
Unfortunately (not really), MS and I keep different schedules.
I only make images of a "clean" system, so I restore before I make a new image with any updates I want to keep.
BTW, I've tested a sysprep'ed image on a different box already, as my son was very fast in getting me a 64-bit capable cpu/MB set up. He wanted my AGP graphics card and Northwood 3.2 that were in that box.
Overclockers often like old gear to torture.
I'll mention the results of that in that thread when I get time.

 

[kado897]

OK Victor if that works for you that's fine.

 

[wanchoo]

I think many of us are overdoing imaging.

Most of us who have been using computers for over 4 or 5 years have already settled down with the programs that we install. If this premise is reasonably correct then the only normal additions that we make are the updates for Windows, A-V, Firewall and a few other programs that need them. In addition we may perhaps be upgrading the Software already installed whenever their new versions are put out.

In these circumstances updating the image once a month should be more than enough. In reality because I fall amongst the persons in para 2, I image once a quarter and there has never been any problem. As one becomes more and more savvy, it is but natural that that person would devise his/her own imaging strategy. But for those who are beginners, the strategy that I have outlined should suffice.

This is just my 2-penny bit.

 

[kado897]

It depends on how much you trust the image. I've never had one fail but even so I would be very uncomfortable with three months and an awful lot can change in that time. Three patch Tuesdays if nothing else.

 

[wanchoo]

I trust the image almost 100% because in all these years I too have never had one that failed. Furthermore I always verify the integrity of the image immediately after it has been created but not before its restoration.

For my friends who have not learned to create images, I have restored over an year old image that I had initially created without any problem, after their computers stopped booting. Therefore I am not too worried creating an image every three months although my advise to others was to do it not more than once a month.

What is your imaging strategy, particularly in respect of frequency, Keith.

Amarnath

 

[kado897]

Mine is a full Macrium Image a week with daily differentials. I also do one Windows Image a month after patch Tuesday to a different disk. I know I am OCD about it but I had some interesting experiences rebuilding mainframe OSes that weren't backed up properly following disk crashes. 36 hours without sleep and the MD on the phone every hour is no fun.

 

[wanchoo]

What you said is perhaps for your professional field. Is it the same policy for your own PC?

I am sorry I did not qualify this in the original message but what I have suggested is for lay users like I am.