Install backup image as a second boot os

[depakjan]

I want to take an entire image of windows 7 in my old laptop and install it as a second boot in my new laptop... my new laptop has win 8.1 in c drive ... i would like to install my old windows in my d drive ... is this possible ?

 

[Ztruker]

Possible but illegal. The Windows 7 on the old laptop is tied to that hardware and is not moveable.

 

[SIW2]

If you only bought one copy of win7, you can only have it on one machine at a time.

If you have a coa sticker and you are able to activate it on the new machine yourself, you are not supposed to keep using it on the old machine as well.

Of you can ring MS . You will have to tell them your old machine has died, or whatever, and you are only using it on one machine. They will activate it for you.

 

[whs]

Is your Windows 7 a retail version or an OEM version. OEM versions are not transferrable. For retail versions the rules that SIW2 specified will apply.

Besides, an image of the old PC will most likely not work on the new PC because of the driver problem. If you have the retail installation DVD, make a new install.

 

[depakjan]

Humm ... mine is OEM version ... so looks like it's illegal ... but how is this different from "I got a new ssd and I want to move the my OS there" ...

And my question was more for these driver issues ... wouldn't windows update the drivers as per my latest machine automatically ..

 

[SIW2]

I don't know why you think it "illegal".

If you haven't got any specific legislation in your country - which you might not have, then ring MS and get them to activate on the other machine for you.They will want to know it is only on one machine. That is fair, you only bought one license.

 

[whs]

Moving an OEM license to another PC is a violation of the EULA (end user license agreement). Moving it from a HDD to a SSD on the same PC is no problem since it stays on the same PC.

 

[SIW2]

1 Directive 2009/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 April 2009 on the legal protection of computer programs (OJ 2009 L 111, p. 16).

Where the copyright holder makes available to his customer a copy – tangible or intangible
– and at the same time concludes, in return for payment of a fee, a licence agreement
granting the customer the right to use that copy for an unlimited period, that rightholder
sells the copy to the customer and thus exhausts his exclusive distribution right. Such a
transaction involves a transfer of the right of ownership of the copy. Therefore, even if the licence
agreement prohibits a further transfer, the rightholder can no longer oppose the resale of
that copy.

 

[whs]

Simon, that is a good directive. Problem with the OEM licenses is that MS is not selling the license to you but they are selling it to the OEM who in turn sells a bundle (hardware and software) to the end user. I guess that this is the reason why it has to stay part of the bundle.

That situation is different with a retail license where you buy the license from MS - usually via a reseller - but it is not bundled to anything.

That is also a reason why you violate the EULA if you buy an OEM license without being a builder who sells it in a bundle. But that they don't seem to really enforce.

 

[SIW2]

Can you point to anything which grants an exception? I am not aware of it.

When you buy a car, you can sell it, because you have ownership of that car. You could also just sell the engine.

Are you prohibited from selling the engine because it came packaged with the car?

Not that I have ever heard of.

It wouldn't make sense. If that were the case, Software giants could just sell any little thing together with the software, then say AHA - it is part of a package, therefore you do not get ownership.

That would be absurd. I am pretty sure they haven't even bothered to try that on.

 

[depakjan]

Thanks guys ... so I can just image my old windows 7 using acronis true image and install in my new laptop in a separate partition .. right ...
i am not too worried about EULA ...as SIW2 said ... i did buy this OS as part of my laptop Extra 100 $ ... it's not like they give it for free .... i had valuable data in my old laptop which I would like to retain in my new laptop.... further my new laptop also has a original version of windows ... i don'tsee anything wwrong in doing this ...

now can someone help with the process ... would using acronis true image in any way hamper my existing win 8.1 ... since my new laptop has different components ..would drivers cause any issus .... one more doubt I had was the uefi boot ... win 7 doesn't support uefi I guess ... so would it dual boot with 8.1 ... i can just switch on legacy mode in bios right

 

[SIW2]

You might have an issue with the driver situation. It depends how different the new hardware is.

You can make it bootable on new hardware http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/292068-make-windows-7-bootable-after-motherboard-swap.html

Maybe your Acronis already has restore to different hardware function.

There is a problem with the efi thing.

If your win7 was booting in regular bios mode, it would have been on an mbr partitioned drrive.

If you restore it to a gpt drive, windows has a peculiar limitation - it will only boot from gpt if you also use efi.

I don't know if your Acronis can do that kind of transfer. I think Paragon can. But you would need paid paragon for that.

http://www.paragon-software.com/technologies/components/migrate-OS-to-SSD/

 

[Layback Bear]

Now I am confused.
I always understood that you don't buy Windows; you pay for the right to use it under the condition of the agreement. Kind of like a lease agreement with a car with no time limit.

When you lease a car you can't take the engine out of the car and do with it as you please without breaking the lease agreement.

My understanding is a EULA (end user license agreement) is like a lease agreement.

This is probably why everything will be in a Cloud.
Pay as you go; no pay no go. Better control over EULA proper usage.

I'm thinking the day will come where OEM and Retail will be the same including the price. Move the operating system as you please as long as one copy it is on one computer at a time.

 

[SIW2]

No, it isn't like that. If you buy e.g. a book, you get ownership of one copy of the book, which you can give away or sell as you like.

You don't get all rights over the content. You can't sell multiple copies, because you only bought one. You can't serialise it in your magazine . You only have rights over one copy/license whatever you want to call it.

That is your right. That is what buying means.

Software is no different.

You buy a license. You can move , give away or sell that license. But only one, because you only bought one.

This is probably why everything will be in a Cloud.
Pay as you go; no pay no go.

Yes exactly.

Software giants have tried for a long time to get around those ownership rights. They can not do it by legal means

That is why they are trying to persuade people to rent. They will have control, not you.

 

[gregrocker]

So do you think this is why we've seen them liberalize OEM rules to activate on changed mobos when previously they wouldn't do this? We have repeated reports here of MS allowing retail OEM to change mobos.

But I have not seen where they allow factory OEM to change mobos. Do you think they'll give variance on that too with phone activation?

Or am I missing your point Si?

 

[SIW2]

Yes, I think they will be fine with that Greg.

 

[depakjan]

I tried this today but it did not work ... I made a image using acronis true image 2014 ... restored this to my D drive in my new laptop ... when I restarted boot manager did not even list Win 7... then I added one bed entry myself for this drive ... now I could see the entry in boot manager ... but if I select it just reboots .. nothing happens ... what am I doing wrong ?

 

[ignatzatsonic]

Imaging can fail for obscure reasons.

Having said that, post a screen shot of Windows Disk Management.

Tell us again exactly which partitions were imaged and to where they were restored, with reference to your screen shot.

 

[whs]

This is not going to work anyhow. Why don't you just save your user data and reuse that on the Windows 8 system.

 

[AddRAM]

What do you intend to do with your old laptop and it`s windows 7 license ?

Scrap it ?