Is it the network or the computer?

bru

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I'm pulling what's left of my hair out.

More than a month ago I bought my first laptop. A low end model. I bought a Netgear router and easily connected the laptop wirelessly. Seemed to work fine but didn't have much time to play around as I decided to return the laptop and get a slightly better model.

The new(er) laptop also connected fine but immediately I noticed it acted different then the first. When coming out of sleep or hibernation I will get 4 bars on the network icon and after a minute or so it will go to five full bars. Now this is when the laptop is literally two feet away from the router. If I go upstairs (we have a small house) signal will drop to four or three bars. Also noticed I can't "see" other networks (neighbors I assume) as well as I used to on the other laptop.

And finally when I check status of the Wireless Adapter on the laptop it shows connection speed of 65 Mbps. Never better and certainly worse when the signal gets weaker.

I uninstalled/reinstalled the wireless adapter (I hate to do such things on a brand new computer) and also redownloaded the drivers. No changes.

So is it the laptops wireless connection that is bad? The reason I lean to this is because it gets a weak signal/can't see other networks that didn't seem to happen with the original laptop.

Or is it a bad router? The reason I lean to this is because I enabled the wireless on my desktop to check its performance and it being an inch away from the router only had a connection speed of 72Mbps.

Should I try a different router to rule that out? Return the computer and chalk it up to a bad wireless car/kinked antenna etc.? Thanks
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
What Channel is your wireless on? if you havent changed it I would guess 6. in the 2.4ghz spectrum theres only 3 non overlapping channels 1 6 and 11. I would suggest using inSSIDer – Discover The Wi-Fi Around You | MetaGeek and it will tell you what channels and signal strengths of the wireless networks around you. then pick the least used channel you can see from 1 6 or 11. Also what model is the netgear as it may also do 5ghz
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self Build
OS
Windows 7 Profesional x64
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 4.00 GHz
Motherboard
GA-Z77-DS3H
Memory
4 x 4 GB spektek DDR3 1333
Graphics Card(s)
Onboard Intel HD 4000
Hard Drives
128 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
2 x Veloci raptors 300gb
1x 1TB Western Digital
Internet Speed
20mb
I manually changed the channel to 11 (may also have done 6) with no difference.

It is Netgear WNR2000v3 which is not dual band. But its speed is theoretically up to 300Mbps. The default is up to 150Mbps and going back and forth makes no difference. Only see 65Mbps (or 72 for desktop) max.

As for neighbors' networks like I said with the original laptop I could see six networks all with decent signals, 2 or 3 bars. Now with this laptop I see only 3 or 4 and they all are weak. This is why I think the laptop's wireless itself is poor.

Original laptop had an Atheros card, this one has a Broadcom.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
sometimes under advanced within device manager you can up the power level of the card, I would still recommend using inSSIDer as it gives a better understanding of networks around you. Also what house phone do you have? is it a cordless DECT phone?
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self Build
OS
Windows 7 Profesional x64
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 4.00 GHz
Motherboard
GA-Z77-DS3H
Memory
4 x 4 GB spektek DDR3 1333
Graphics Card(s)
Onboard Intel HD 4000
Hard Drives
128 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
2 x Veloci raptors 300gb
1x 1TB Western Digital
Internet Speed
20mb
I don't think the card has that function.

I just hooked up the desktop wirelessly again and it only got 4 bars right next to the router. Still showed 72.0 Mbps speed though. But it showed zero other networks. I know it is probably not the best wireless (has an option for external antenna) but this makes me even more puzzled.

I have an older 900Mhz cordless phone.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
If the desktop is the same when using wireless its the router.

Things to try:

1. Reset the router to factory defaults (need to re-enter password etc)
2. Switch the router channel to 11 & change mode to g&b check your region is correct

Hope this Helps
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self Build
OS
MS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor Socket AM3+ (942)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH 990FX (AM3r2)
Memory
8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 802MHz (11-11-11-36) 1.5Volts
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Sound Card
Onboard Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
shimian (1920x1080@60Hz)
Screen Resolution
1920*1080
Hard Drives
OCZ-AGIL ITY3 SATA Disk Device 120GB
PSU
Corsair TX 750
Case
Corsair
Cooling
WaterCooled
Keyboard
Microsoft Wired
Mouse
Logitech USB Optical TiltWheel Mouse
Internet Speed
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller 20MB*1MB
Antivirus
Avast
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
150GB Internal Hard Drive for Backing Up Important Files -
Hauppauge Nova-DT Dual DVB-T Tuner Device (+IR) -
USB PC Camera with Mic (SN9C105)
Have reset the router at least twice.

Curious why I would want to set it to g/b (not even sure where that setting is)? Both computers have wireless n.

edit: I think the b/g is "up to 150Mbps". Which is where it is and has been. No changes with channel 11 or b/g.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
Have reset the router at least twice.

Curious why I would want to set it to g/b (not even sure where that setting is)? Both computers have wireless n.

edit: I think the b/g is "up to 150Mbps". Which is where it is and has been. No changes with channel 11 or b/g.

Ok if you are using wireless N adaptors, B or G should not be in the picture.

In fact the only way to achieve true 802.11n speeds of 300Mbps is to go into your routers settings, change to 802.11n Only mode, you can't use this mode if you have G or lower clients that need to connect.

You will also need to use WPA2 security with AES encryption which are also made to work at wireless N speeds.

Don't use channel bonding "20-40Mhz setting" unless you have 4-5 bars signal strength.

And comparing one laptop to another there will always be differences in signal strength. What's more important is to remove all Malware that was preinstalled on this new laptop. Add-remove programs is a good place to start. ;)
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home built
OS
Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
CPU
Q9650-4.275GHz, E8600 4.5GHz, E6750-3.8GHz
Motherboard
Evga 780i FTW
Memory
G.Skill PC2 9600 1200Mhz 5 5 5 15 2T
Graphics Card(s)
GTX480
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2
Monitor(s) Displays
HannsG
Screen Resolution
1680X1050
Hard Drives
GSkill Phoenix Pro 120GB SSD
PSU
ThermalTake Toughpower 1000Watt modular
Case
ThermalTake XaserV
Cooling
Xigmatek S1283
Keyboard
Logitech G15
Mouse
Logitech G9
Internet Speed
T1
The router is at default settings. Security is WPA2 w/AES. No wireless G clients, only one wireless N laptop.

It must be the wireless card. I've read that some cheap cards only support up to X speed. No model number for the card to verify. All it says is Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter.

No way any bloatware is causing this.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
The router is at default settings. Security is WPA2 w/ ASES. No wireless G clients, only one wireless N laptop.

It must be the wireless card. I've read that some cheap cards only support up to X speed.

No way any bloatware is causing this.

The Default settings may not be set the way I just described. Besides Windows update, you should also try the laptop manufacture's web site for the latest drivers.

If the card has connection speed limitations you can get a faster USB adaptor but removing the preinstalled malware would still be my first step with any new laptop.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home built
OS
Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
CPU
Q9650-4.275GHz, E8600 4.5GHz, E6750-3.8GHz
Motherboard
Evga 780i FTW
Memory
G.Skill PC2 9600 1200Mhz 5 5 5 15 2T
Graphics Card(s)
GTX480
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2
Monitor(s) Displays
HannsG
Screen Resolution
1680X1050
Hard Drives
GSkill Phoenix Pro 120GB SSD
PSU
ThermalTake Toughpower 1000Watt modular
Case
ThermalTake XaserV
Cooling
Xigmatek S1283
Keyboard
Logitech G15
Mouse
Logitech G9
Internet Speed
T1
I've looked thoroughly through router settings and don't see some of the settings you mention.

I did download the latest (same as initially installed) drivers for the wireless card.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
I've looked thoroughly through router settings and don't see some of the settings you mention.

I did download the latest (same as initially installed) drivers for the wireless card.

The settings are there though they may be labeled or named differently.

Any other problems should be directed to the lap top manufacture. ;)
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home built
OS
Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
CPU
Q9650-4.275GHz, E8600 4.5GHz, E6750-3.8GHz
Motherboard
Evga 780i FTW
Memory
G.Skill PC2 9600 1200Mhz 5 5 5 15 2T
Graphics Card(s)
GTX480
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2
Monitor(s) Displays
HannsG
Screen Resolution
1680X1050
Hard Drives
GSkill Phoenix Pro 120GB SSD
PSU
ThermalTake Toughpower 1000Watt modular
Case
ThermalTake XaserV
Cooling
Xigmatek S1283
Keyboard
Logitech G15
Mouse
Logitech G9
Internet Speed
T1

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self Build
OS
MS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor Socket AM3+ (942)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH 990FX (AM3r2)
Memory
8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 802MHz (11-11-11-36) 1.5Volts
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Sound Card
Onboard Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
shimian (1920x1080@60Hz)
Screen Resolution
1920*1080
Hard Drives
OCZ-AGIL ITY3 SATA Disk Device 120GB
PSU
Corsair TX 750
Case
Corsair
Cooling
WaterCooled
Keyboard
Microsoft Wired
Mouse
Logitech USB Optical TiltWheel Mouse
Internet Speed
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller 20MB*1MB
Antivirus
Avast
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
150GB Internal Hard Drive for Backing Up Important Files -
Hauppauge Nova-DT Dual DVB-T Tuner Device (+IR) -
USB PC Camera with Mic (SN9C105)

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self Build
OS
Windows 7 Profesional x64
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 4.00 GHz
Motherboard
GA-Z77-DS3H
Memory
4 x 4 GB spektek DDR3 1333
Graphics Card(s)
Onboard Intel HD 4000
Hard Drives
128 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
2 x Veloci raptors 300gb
1x 1TB Western Digital
Internet Speed
20mb
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