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So I've finally purchased my first SSD. It's a crucial bx500. I was ready to just partition and use it like a normal hard drive until I read some people claim one would need to align partitions? I read about it for the past 30 minutes but read too many countering suggestions.
If I partiotioned the 240gb SSD for 2 partitions (while installing Windows 7), do I need to download extra softwares the align the partitions? Some claim not doing so might hurt its life expectancy. Also, do I need to install the manufacturer software which claim to speed up performabe by x10. I don't really care for it, I just want the SSD to be reliable and to last.
Any other things I should know / worry about?

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The main thing is to allow a fair amount of free space as that causes problems if there isn't enough as you can't defrag the drive. The makers software is worth having as it can trim and advise on settings a lot of drives have a 3+ years warrenty so not to worry
 

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The main thing is to allow a fair amount of free space as that causes problems if there isn't enough as you can't defrag the drive. The makers software is worth having as it can trim and advise on settings a lot of drives have a 3+ years warrenty so not to worry

Thanks for your reply.
So no need to "align partitions"? Are the claims that not doing so will hurt its life expectancy wrong? I don't mind using just one partition, I'm just used to storing my important files on d: so I can reinstall Windows easily and quickly.
As I mentioned before, i partitioned it on the windows 7 installation. C drive is 110 and d is 113gb.
 

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Aligning the SSD as far as I know will help with speed. You can accomplish that with EASUS Partition Master. It's free. You can check if it's aligned with As SSD.

You will also want to make sure TRIM is set. Read this: Check and Enable or Disable SSD TRIM Support in Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 -MWH

Prior to installing the operating system, AHCI should have been engaged in BIOS. As SSD will tell you if it is or not. If it isn't and you already installed the OS, then enabling AHCI after the fact will render the computer not to boot. You'd have to switch back to IDE mode. There is a way of sorts to enable AHCI with the OS already installed, but it may have issues doing so.

The Crucial software for the drive should allow you to over-provision the SSD. I think it's at least 20%. Do so.

Never defrag a SSD. They aren't mechanical and it's not needed due to the way flash-based storage works. I would also turn off auto defrag for the SSD. You can find that option by right clicking the hard drive, choosing properties, Tools tab, and selecting Deragmentation.

How to Align SSD After Clone - EaseUS

Download AS SSD Benchmark - MajorGeeks

Periodicity check the drive with Crystal Disk Info. It may or may not show a percentage of health as a basic indicator. But in my experience, I've had SSDs just fail out of the blue. Although, those were all Sandforce-based SSDs. I don't even think they use the Sandforce chip anymore. It's very old and came out when SSDs first hit the market.

CrystalDiskInfo – Crystal Dew World


Back then they said you wanted to minimize the amount of writes to a SSD. Whether that stands true today I'm not sure given how far SSDs have come and their endurance, etc. But what you should do, and if this is if you have a second mechanical HDD in the computer, is move things like your downloads, Music, Pictures, etc to the second disk. Especially downloads. You can do it in two ways. One is I think by use of a symlink. But what I do is just create a folder on my second HDD called Downloads, and then in my browser set that path for my new downloads folder. You just have to remember your downloads will go to the second HDD. This will help keep the writes at a minimum on the SSD.

My laptop is only capable of one HDD, and it's an SSD. So of course I can't send my downloads to another drive. So in that case you have no choice in the matter.

I'd also keep a periodic clone of your computer to an external USB HDD of adequate size in case of catastrophe like a major malware infection or of the SSD goes to pot, etc. I use the free version of AOMEI Backupper. In AOMEI select the source which would be C drive, and the destination which would be your external USB hard drive. Chose the align option. You don't need sector by sector.

That's about it.
 

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It is probably already aligned.
Mini tool has a function to align. Install and run it. Right click on the partition- align Best Free Partition Manager for Windows | MiniTool Partition Free

- TRIM
Type this cmd
fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify

It will give you one of two results, either a 0 or a 1. A zero indicates that TRIM is enabled correctly, a one means that it is not. If you have a TRIM-compatible SSD, but find that Windows 7 hasn't enabled the command, you can easily do so by running this command:

fsutil behavior set DisableDeleteNotify 0
 

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...Back then they said you wanted to minimize the amount of writes to a SSD. Whether that stands true today I'm not sure given how far SSDs have come and their endurance, etc. But what you should do, and if this is if you have a second mechanical HDD in the computer, is move things like your downloads, Music, Pictures, etc to the second disk. Especially downloads. You can do it in two ways. One is I think by use of a symlink. But what I do is just create a folder on my second HDD called Downloads, and then in my browser set that path for my new downloads folder. You just have to remember your downloads will go to the second HDD. This will help keep the writes at a minimum on the SSD.

My laptop is only capable of one HDD, and it's an SSD. So of course I can't send my downloads to another drive. So in that case you have no choice in the matter...

Write life is not the issue now that it was when SSDs first came out. About the only thing you need to do to reduce unnecessary writes is to disable Hibernation unless you actully need it, such as for a UPS to "save" your data in an outage (I had Hibernation enabled on my first SSD and, when it died for other reasons almost five years in, I still had enough write life left for another decade).

The advice to move data folders from an SSD to a separate HDD is more to better utilize limited space on a smaller SSD than to reduce writes to it. Due to the higher costs of SSDs, a popular option is to use a smaller SSD for a boot drive with only the OS and programs on it and to store data on a separate, larger, less expensive HDD for data only. This also makes a better quality SSD more affordable.

Another reason for separating data files from System (OS and data) files is to better utillize the best methods for backups. The System is best backed up by using imaging (not cloning: cloning is best used for migrating the contents of a drive to another drive). Images can be used to similar System Restore only far more reliably. Also, unlike clones, multiple images can be stored on a drive. I recommend Macrium Reflect Free for imaging (and cloning, for situations when cloning is warranted).

Unlike the System, data is best backed up using a folder/file syncing program, such as FreeFileSync. Syncing will dramatically speed up backups of data and reduce the amount of space needed for backups.

Of course, if you have room for only one drive in a computer, it will be necessary to keep both System and data files on the SSD. As long as there is sufficient room on the drive (there should be at least 20-25% free space at all times), doing so will not reduce write life. The advantage to separating the System files and data files still applies to backups.

My notebook computer has a 2TB SSD in it with four partitions: System Reserved, C:/ (OS and programs), E:/ (data only; obviously, the largest partition), and the factory recovery partition. For backups, I image all but the data partitions together in one image. I use folder/file syncing to backup the data partition.

About one really needs to check on an SSD is, once it has been formatted, is if TRIM is enabled and if the SSD clusters (not partitions) are properly aligned. AS SSD Benchmark, a freebie, will tell you if the clusters are properly aligned or not. If you get two "Good" in the upper right corner, you are fine (99 44/100% of the time, you will be fine). Someone already has mentioned how to check to see if TRIM is enabled.

The only other things one really needs to do to ensure best SSD life and performance is to not defragment unless total fragmentation exceeds 25% (not likely to ever happen) and to make sure one maintains at least 20-25% free space.
 

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If you do a clean install and allow Windows to create the needed partitions they will be properly aligned. Alignment is usually only a problem when restoring an image from a non SSD drive. In that case alignment is usually wrong because alignment isn't an issue with conventional drives.
 

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Very good explanation about SSD's
SSD Life Expectancy - YouTube

Besides either the worst comb-over ever or a fascination with Moe Howard (OK, I'm being facetious), this guy doesn't get it quite right on overprovisioning (it's not the same as leaving free space). He doesn't even mention write amplification as the reason for needing free space and how it is the cause of reduced speed and write life. Also, the figures I see for the amount of free space on SSDs are 20-25% free space for best speed and write life, not 10% (10% is for HDDs but for similar but not the exactly the same).

Other than that, he pretty much nails it.
 

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So I contacted crucial about any downsides of using two partitions and weather it will need any "partition alignment" after install. Their educated response was "why do you need two partitions?", followed by some really unhelpful data. I'm just like to workflow of two partitions. So, my final questions:
1. Can I create two partitions while installing windows 7 without worrying about lower ssd life cycle/ data loss / doing any alignment etc.
2. If trim is enabled (by checking via cmd), do I really need the crucial s.m.a.r.t app? All it does is make me check the tbw and look for errors constantly.
3. I read soooo much opinions about "to-do's" after buying an ssd - disabling prefetch / superfetch, making sure the drive never turns off via the power plan (even though I'm quite sure it relates only for spinning drives), and I did all of them. Is it really necessary in order to prolong the ssd life cycle / avoid data loss? If I format my laptop again in order to create 2 partition I'd reallyyyy like to avoid all these processes. I already formated my laptop 3 times since I purchased the ssd three days ago while looking for the optimal setup, resulting, as of now, a tbw of 350gb which really worries me.

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Just do a clean install. Clean Install Windows 7
- Install the SSD on the laptop.
- Boot from the Win 7 installation disk.
- Go to install - Advanced - delete ALL partitions on the SSD - Create new.
- On the big NTFS install win 7.

When you finish installation, open device manger and look for missing drivers.
After all drivers installed, install the updates. My suggestion is to use ++Dism - https://www.chuyu.me/en/index.html
It looks for updates on a clever way and alerts on telemetry and spy "Updates". Set Win update to never check and run ++Dism.

When you finish installing the updates, open disk manger (C:\Windows\System32\diskmgmt.msc) and resize the C: partition and create a new partition (D:)
If you're going to use the new partition for data, make C: around 85G. It's big enough to hold Win 7 and the programs.
 

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Just do a clean install. Clean Install Windows 7
- Install the SSD on the laptop.
- Boot from the Win 7 installation disk.
- Go to install - Advanced - delete ALL partitions on the SSD - Create new.
- On the big NTFS install win 7.

When you finish installation, open device manger and look for missing drivers.
After all drivers installed, install the updates. My suggestion is to use ++Dism - https://www.chuyu.me/en/index.html
It looks for updates on a clever way and alerts on telemetry and spy "Updates". Set Win update to never check and run ++Dism.

When you finish installing the updates, open disk manger (C:\Windows\System32\diskmgmt.msc) and resize the C: partition and create a new partition (D:)
If you're going to use the new partition for data, make C: around 85G. It's big enough to hold Win 7 and the programs.

Thanks so much!
So no need to do all the stuff I mentioned in my post?
Why not just create two partitions upon installation?
What about scheduled deferagments? I had one run daily by default so I had to cancel it
 

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1. If you are going to do a clean install of Windows, let the installer make its own partitions. Typically, that will be the System Reserved partition and the C:/ partition. Afterwards, use Minitool Partition Wizard (the free version is fine; that's what I use) to shrink the C: partition (unless you are a gamer or use unusually large programs, 120GB is a good figure) and create a data partition in the new unallocated space. Your clusters should be properly allocated but, to check, use AS SSD as I mentioned before and check for TRIM (as has already been mentioned).

If Crucial actually asked you why you need two partitions, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. That said, the only reason to use a second partition (besides the System Reserved) is if the SSD is the only drive in your computer and you are segregating your data files from your System files (this is what I do on my one drive notebooks). Otherwise, I recommend having only the System Reserved and C:/ partitions on the SSD and the data on a separate drive (HDD or SSD) (this is what I do no a desktop). I do not recommend partitioning data only drives; folders are far more efficient for organizing data.

2. If Crucial's app gets in your way, disable it from the Start Up Folder. I use the free version of Glary Utilities to edit the Startup Folder. Since I use Samsung SSDs, I use their utility, Samsung Magician. It tends to be a nag, as well, so I just disabled it in the Startup Folder. If I ever do need it, I can access it easily in the Start menu.

3. There is a lot of misinformation floating around about the must-dos when using an SSD, most of it dating back from the early days of SSDs and just are not needed anymore. Now, all you need to do is make sure the clusters are aligned (it's highly unlikely they won't be, btw) and TRIM is enabled, and do not defrag unless defragmentation exceeds 25% (not likely to happen for several years, if at all).


You have been overthinking this. SSDs aren't rocket science, just a little different. 350GB of writes on the SSD already is a lot but it's not anywhere close to the end of the world (or your SSD). Just follow my advice, quit reformatting, quit worrying, and you will be fine.

I've been using SSDs for years on more than one machine (ok, only three) without any problems. Of the 44 SSDs I have owned, only one died (after almost five years of 24/7 operation and it still had most of its write life remaining just before it died) and one arrived DOA (which the vendor quickly replaced with a new one). Except for six new 4TB SSDs I haven't put into service yet, the rest are still in service or were retired only because I outgrew them (I have six 500GB SSDs I retired) and a spare 4TB SSD since I can't buy them locally). I even use SSDs for my backup drives.
 

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Thanks so much!
So no need to do all the stuff I mentioned in my post?
Why not just create two partitions upon installation? Yes you can. Up to you
What about scheduled deferagments? I had one run daily by default so I had to cancel it. Defrag won't be scheduled on a SSD

That's it.
 

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1. If you are going to do a clean install of Windows, let the installer make its own partitions. Typically, that will be the System Reserved partition and the C:/ partition. Afterwards, use Minitool Partition Wizard (the free version is fine; that's what I use) to shrink the C: partition (unless you are a gamer or use unusually large programs, 120GB is a good figure) and create a data partition in the new unallocated space. Your clusters should be properly allocated but, to check, use AS SSD as I mentioned before and check for TRIM (as has already been mentioned).

If Crucial actually asked you why you need two partitions, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. That said, the only reason to use a second partition (besides the System Reserved) is if the SSD is the only drive in your computer and you are segregating your data files from your System files (this is what I do on my one drive notebooks). Otherwise, I recommend having only the System Reserved and C:/ partitions on the SSD and the data on a separate drive (HDD or SSD) (this is what I do no a desktop). I do not recommend partitioning data only drives; folders are far more efficient for organizing data.

2. If Crucial's app gets in your way, disable it from the Start Up Folder. I use the free version of Glary Utilities to edit the Startup Folder. Since I use Samsung SSDs, I use their utility, Samsung Magician. It tends to be a nag, as well, so I just disabled it in the Startup Folder. If I ever do need it, I can access it easily in the Start menu.

3. There is a lot of misinformation floating around about the must-dos when using an SSD, most of it dating back from the early days of SSDs and just are not needed anymore. Now, all you need to do is make sure the clusters are aligned (it's highly unlikely they won't be, btw) and TRIM is enabled, and do not defrag unless defragmentation exceeds 25% (not likely to happen for several years, if at all).


You have been overthinking this. SSDs aren't rocket science, just a little different. 350GB of writes on the SSD already is a lot but it's not anywhere close to the end of the world (or your SSD). Just follow my advice, quit reformatting, quit worrying, and you will be fine.

I've been using SSDs for years on more than one machine (ok, only three) without any problems. Of the 44 SSDs I have owned, only one died (after almost five years of 24/7 operation and it still had most of its write life remaining just before it died) and one arrived DOA (which the vendor quickly replaced with a new one). Except for six new 4TB SSDs I haven't put into service yet, the rest are still in service or were retired only because I outgrew them (I have six 500GB SSDs I retired) and a spare 4TB SSD since I can't buy them locally). I even use SSDs for my backup drives.


Just to make sure I understand, installing two partitions (while installing windows 7) - 120gb for windows and 100gb for my files won't hurt the ssd in the long run and won't require me to "align" anything?
About the defrag, I would think it won't but the log claims to have ran one today at 8:04am.
2. "I do not recommend partitioning data only drives" - Could you kindly explain? Do you mean that you'd prefer to partition them beforehand while installing Windows like I do rather than use a program after installation?
P.S
Yes, I'm used to segregating the system files and data files.

Thanks so much for your time! You're right, it bothers me way too much.
 

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That's it.

So creating two partitions - 120 and 100gb won't hurt anything, unlike some people claim on the web?
How do you make sure the clusters are aligned? I read about dividing by 4096, but if my crucial app says I'm
"good" isn't it enough?

Thanks!
 

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If you do a clean install, it will be aligned. Don't worry.
 

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Just to make sure I understand, installing two partitions (while installing windows 7) - 120gb for windows and 100gb for my files won't hurt the ssd in the long run and won't require me to "align" anything?
About the defrag, I would think it won't but the log claims to have ran one today at 8:04am.
2. "I do not recommend partitioning data only drives" - Could you kindly explain? Do you mean that you'd prefer to partition them beforehand while installing Windows like I do rather than use a program after installation?
P.S
Yes, I'm used to segregating the system files and data files.

Thanks so much for your time! You're right, it bothers me way too much.

This is the last time so pay attention this time. When you install Win 7 on a freshly formatted drive, it will create two partitions: System Reserved and C:/. Once that has been done, use MiniTool Partition Wizard to shrink the C:/ partition to 120GB (or larger if you use large programs or games). Then format the new unallocated space to form your data partition.

Use AS SSD to check the alignment as I've already described. Also, check to make sure TRIM is enabled. In all probability, they will both be fine but it doesn't hurt to check (and will probably make you sleep better).

You may have to reset Defragmenting to never. Check once a year to make sure defragmentation is below 25%. Otherwise, don't worry about it.

I was referring to many people like to organize their data using partitions which I do not recommend becasue it is an inefficient use of drive space. I wasn't sure if the SSD was the only drive in your computer or not. Since it appears you are, the one data partition will be fine. Don't creat that partition until after you have installed the OS, as I described above.
 

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I already told you the Crucial software should allow you to create a reserved over provisioned space. If you start fresh, make sure AHCI is on in BIOS.
 

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