Lemon Law

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I am the unfortunate owner of several Seagate 7200.11 hard drives, one of which I have already RMAed 3 times before, and now it has gone sour again. I have no interest in continuing to replace the drive with with others that are going to keep failing every few months. Does the lemon law apply to hard drives, or will Seagate replace it with a model that isn't prone to making lemonade? I understand that this model of drive is known to have problems, but why can't they fix it properly?
 

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W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
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Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
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ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
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2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
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Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
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Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
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WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
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No, unfortunately the lemon law applies to some kind of fancy term I can't remember right now that means long term goods. Washing machines/dryers aren't even covered.
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Pugh Technologies
OS
W7 Professional x64
CPU
AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.10 GHz
Motherboard
MSI 870A-G54
Memory
PNY XLR DDR3 1600 4x2GB
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NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 (fermi) 1GB GDDR5
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 onboard
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ASUS VE205t, Viewsonic VX2035WM
Screen Resolution
1600x900, 1600x1050
Hard Drives
977GB Hitachi Hitachi HDS721010CLA332
244GB Western Digital WDC WD2500AAJS-65B4A0
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAJS-00A8B0
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAKS-00UU3A0
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Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W
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ThermalTake Armor A90 Mid Tower
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3x 120mm in, 1x 120mm & 200mm out, self built hydro-cooler
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Logitec 55
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Razer Deathadder
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The HP computer I have when bought new had the same model drive and required a firmware update from HP to prevent bricking of the drive that only supposedly affected drives manufactured in a certain time period in 2008/2009. Mine still works after applying the update and having also owned a personal media drive made by HP that only lasted a year & died, it also had the same seagate model # drive (after tearing it apart) had no firmware update

After I lost a lot of data with the one failed drive I decided to replace the Segate drive with a WD black Cavier after researching Quality/Cost/Warrenty
 

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My own abomination, I call it the Money Pit
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Windows 10 Pro x 2/Windows 11 Home
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Intel i7 2600K @ 3.40 GHz
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ASUS Sabertooth P67
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Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Dual Channel Kit
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EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA GAMING 10GB GDDR6X
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Onboard Realtek or Nvidia High Definition Audio (HDMI)
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung JS7000 50" SUHD TV or Samsung 27" FHD 60Hz 8ms GTG V
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
1 x Samsung 870 EVO 250 GB SSD (Windows 10 Pro), 1 x Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD (Windows 10 Pro)
PSU
Corsair AX860 - 860W Modular Power Supply
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Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case - Black
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CORSAIR Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB 360mm Liquid CPU Cooler
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Logitech K830 Illuminated Living-Room Keyboard
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Logitech MX Anywhere 2S Wireless Mouse
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100 Mbps
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ESET Internet Security
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Latest Version Of Firefox & Microsoft Edge Chromium Stable
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LG Super Multi Blue Internal Blu-ray Disk Rewriter - BH10LS30
6x2 HDMI Switcher (6 inputs, 2 outputs) so I can send the output of my Cable Box, Roku, or any my 4 computers to either my TV or Monitor separately or simultaneously.
Have you asked seagate?

If you speak to them calmly, (try to escalate the issue beyond the lower levels ;) ), explain the history and that you no longer have confidence in the particular model / batch.

They may decide to change for another model, (without liability;) ), of course they may refuse to do anything but I have found that manufacturers are often quite concernrd about quality issues once you get past the first line of defence, who only have limited options
 

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    Asus Prime X570-Pro
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    64GB [2 x 32GB] DDR4 3200MHz
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    On-board SPDIF to 5.1 System + HDMI [5.1 system]
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    32" UHD 32 Bit HDR Monitor + 43" UHD 4K 32Bit HDR TV
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    1TB M2 SSD OS, 500GB Fast Access SSD, 2 x 8TB Data + Various Externals from 1TB to 4TB, 10TB NAS
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    NZXT C750 80 PLUS Gold 750W Modular PSU
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    Workstation Case [Matt Black]
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    NZXT Kraken X63 280mm CPU Cooler +2x Quiet Case fans
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    Stock
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    Shuttle Pro v2 Control Pad
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Have you asked seagate?

If you speak to them calmly, (try to escalate the issue beyond the lower levels ;) ), explain the history and that you no longer have confidence in the particular model / batch.

They may decide to change for another model, (without liability;) ), of course they may refuse to do anything but I have found that manufacturers are often quite concernrd about quality issues once you get past the first line of defence, who only have limited options

Unfortunately for some people like me who bought an OEM machine, Seagate may have no obligation to replace defective hardware and the consumer would have to deal directly with the OEM (Depends on agreement between OEM & Seagate)

However as the OP stated he has successfully RMA'd a defective drive previously and is just ticked off that this is the third time. Seagate will again RMA the drive for the same defective model as that is all they are obliged to do

Some companies/stores have a no lemon policy of a replacement of equal value (different brand) or full refund after 3 failures
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
My own abomination, I call it the Money Pit
OS
Windows 10 Pro x 2/Windows 11 Home
CPU
Intel i7 2600K @ 3.40 GHz
Motherboard
ASUS Sabertooth P67
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Dual Channel Kit
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA GAMING 10GB GDDR6X
Sound Card
Onboard Realtek or Nvidia High Definition Audio (HDMI)
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung JS7000 50" SUHD TV or Samsung 27" FHD 60Hz 8ms GTG V
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
1 x Samsung 870 EVO 250 GB SSD (Windows 10 Pro), 1 x Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD (Windows 10 Pro)
PSU
Corsair AX860 - 860W Modular Power Supply
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case - Black
Cooling
CORSAIR Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB 360mm Liquid CPU Cooler
Keyboard
Logitech K830 Illuminated Living-Room Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech MX Anywhere 2S Wireless Mouse
Internet Speed
100 Mbps
Antivirus
ESET Internet Security
Browser
Latest Version Of Firefox & Microsoft Edge Chromium Stable
Other Info
LG Super Multi Blue Internal Blu-ray Disk Rewriter - BH10LS30
6x2 HDMI Switcher (6 inputs, 2 outputs) so I can send the output of my Cable Box, Roku, or any my 4 computers to either my TV or Monitor separately or simultaneously.
You would need to find out what the lemon law (if any) applies to IN YOUR STATE. Perhaps you could try contacting your state's Attorney General office.

I am sorry to hear you are having troubles with your drives. I was under the impression that the firmware fix that Seagate came out with solved the problem. I have 2 of the drives (purchased with the later firmware) and have been very happy with them.

Hope the situation gets solved to your satisfaction.
 

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W10 Pro desktop, W11 laptop, W11 Pro tablet (all 64-bit)
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3.7Ghz 8700K i7, i7-11800H, i7-1065G7
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ASUS TUF Z370-Pro Gaming in desktop
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16G desktop, 16G laptop, 4G tablet
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AMD Radeon RX580, RTX 3060, Intel Iris Plus
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High Definition Audio (Built-in to mobo)
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Samsung U32J59 32" (2x), 15.6", 12"
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500G SSD for OS; 2T, 10T & 15T HDDs for Data on Desktop, 1TB SSD laptop, 128G SSD tablet.
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Corsair CX 750M
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Antec 100
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CM 212+
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IBM Model M - used continuously since 1986
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Microsoft Pro IntelliMouse
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400M down 8M up
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Windows Defender
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FireFox
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Built my first computer (8Mhz 8088cpu, 640K RAM, 20MB HDD, 2 360K floppy drives) in 1985 and have been building them for myself, relatives and friends ever since.
From what I recall, the phrase "lemon law" applied to purchases of automobiles, so to confirm that, I checked several sources, including a couple of State Attorney General websites, and got essentially the same information as the following quote from Wikipedia:

Lemon laws are American state laws that provide a remedy for purchasers of cars in order to compensate for cars that repeatedly fail to meet standards of quality and performance. These cars are called lemons. The federal lemon law (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act) protects citizens of all states. State lemon laws vary by state and may not necessarily cover used or leased cars. The rights afforded to consumers by lemon laws may exceed the warranties expressed in purchase contracts. Lemon law is the common nickname for these laws, but each state has different names for the laws and acts.

So, the "lemon laws" do not apply to the purchase of consumer goods. Sorry.
 

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PC/Desktop
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Custom
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Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win8 Pro 32-bit
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AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
Motherboard
Gigabyte
Memory
4GB ddr3 1300
Graphics Card(s)
AMD HD 4290 onboard
Sound Card
Builtin Realtek HD Audio
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Samsung 24" widescreen, LG 23" widescreen
Screen Resolution
1920x1200/1920x1080
Hard Drives
Kingston 256GB SSD
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Logitech Illuminated Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech M705 wireless mouse
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Norton Av 2013
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IE v10
They do apply to some consumer goods, and in some states, even computers. It would be best to get into contact with your state government to find out the specifics of consumer rights in your state.

Although the phrase "lemon law" is indeed credited to the consumer rights regarding defective vehicles and the treatment of that situation.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Pugh Technologies
OS
W7 Professional x64
CPU
AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.10 GHz
Motherboard
MSI 870A-G54
Memory
PNY XLR DDR3 1600 4x2GB
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 (fermi) 1GB GDDR5
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 onboard
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VE205t, Viewsonic VX2035WM
Screen Resolution
1600x900, 1600x1050
Hard Drives
977GB Hitachi Hitachi HDS721010CLA332
244GB Western Digital WDC WD2500AAJS-65B4A0
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAJS-00A8B0
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAKS-00UU3A0
PSU
Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W
Case
ThermalTake Armor A90 Mid Tower
Cooling
3x 120mm in, 1x 120mm & 200mm out, self built hydro-cooler
Keyboard
Logitec 55
Mouse
Razer Deathadder
Internet Speed
20 Mbps D/L, 9 Mbps U/L
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