Solved Let's talk about a new Windows Optimizer

[Jeriff]

I've used many Windows Optimizer, such as Iobit Advanced System Care, Tuneup Utilities, SpeedUpMyPC, PCKeeper..... and I recently came across another newly released software: Toolwiz Care Still testing it...
So many Optimizer in the world,making me confused. Which one are u currently using?
Give me some advice, Thank you.

 

[A Guy]

None. Windows Seven manages itself very well. I only use CCleaner to remove temp files and such. I don't trust many "Optimizers". They can, and often will bork your system. Seven isn't XP which needed so much help to run well. Just my opinion. A Guy

 

[yowanvista]

You don't need any such 'System Optimizers' at all

Windows is a closed source system. Developers of tuneup utilities and registry cleaners do not have the core code of Win 7 and are not working on definitive information, but rather they are going on past knowledge and experience, most of which is not applicable to Win 7. Automatic cleaners will usually have to do some guesswork.

There is almost no tweaking that can be done to Win 7 to speed it up. The system is designed to diagnose itself and take care of itself which it does remarkably well. Win 7 maintains itself and that includes the registry.

System Optimizers are pure snake oil. At best they do nothing except use resources. At worst, they can mess your system up, slowing it down, and even crash it. There is no utility out there anywhere that can speed Win 7 up and improve its performance, at least not at this time.

Modifying registry keys incorrectly can cause Windows instability, or make Windows unbootable. No registry cleaner is completely safe and the potential is ever present to cause more problems than they claim to fix.

Registry cleaners cannot distinguish between good and bad. If you run a registry cleaner, it will delete all those keys which are obsolete and sitting idle; but in reality, those keys may well be needed by some programs or windows at a later time.

Windows 7 is much more efficient at managing the registry than previous Windows versions. Even if you use the CCleaner registry to delete keys left over when uninstalling programs, these few keys will not make 1 millisecond's difference in performance. If you run CCleaner or any other registry cleaner and do not know precisely what you are doing, you will have problems down the road. There are no gains to be had from using a registry cleaner and the risk is great.

Forget all the "wisdom" you learned about XP. Windows 7 is not XP and does not manage the registry the same as XP.

This isn't to say that the system does not need to be maintained. Uninstall programs that you don't use, delete unneeded and unnecessary files. Defrag your hard drive. But don't screw with the registry unless you are an in depth expert in the Win 7 registry.

Most of the time, the cure is a clean install. Using a program such as Ccleaner is fine to get rid of old and unnecessary files. A tuneup utility is not only unneeded, it can actually harm your system. Don't use them.

 

[xxxdannyxxx]

you don't need any such 'system optimizers' at all

windows is a closed source system. Developers of tuneup utilities and registry cleaners do not have the core code of win 7 and are not working on definitive information, but rather they are going on past knowledge and experience, most of which is not applicable to win 7. Automatic cleaners will usually have to do some guesswork.

There is almost no tweaking that can be done to win 7 to speed it up. The system is designed to diagnose itself and take care of itself which it does remarkably well. Win 7 maintains itself and that includes the registry.

System optimizers are pure snake oil. At best they do nothing except use resources. At worst, they can mess your system up, slowing it down, and even crash it. There is no utility out there anywhere that can speed win 7 up and improve its performance, at least not at this time.

Modifying registry keys incorrectly can cause windows instability, or make windows unbootable. No registry cleaner is completely safe and the potential is ever present to cause more problems than they claim to fix.

Registry cleaners cannot distinguish between good and bad. If you run a registry cleaner, it will delete all those keys which are obsolete and sitting idle; but in reality, those keys may well be needed by some programs or windows at a later time.

Windows 7 is much more efficient at managing the registry than previous windows versions. Even if you use the ccleaner registry to delete keys left over when uninstalling programs, these few keys will not make 1 millisecond's difference in performance. If you run ccleaner or any other registry cleaner and do not know precisely what you are doing, you will have problems down the road. There are no gains to be had from using a registry cleaner and the risk is great.

Forget all the "wisdom" you learned about xp. Windows 7 is not xp and does not manage the registry the same as xp.

This isn't to say that the system does not need to be maintained. Uninstall programs that you don't use, delete unneeded and unnecessary files. Defrag your hard drive. But don't screw with the registry unless you are an in depth expert in the win 7 registry.

Most of the time, the cure is a clean install. Using a program such as ccleaner is fine to get rid of old and unnecessary files. A tuneup utility is not only unneeded, it can actually harm your system. Don't use them.

 

[Jeriff]

None. Windows Seven manages itself very well. I only use CCleaner to remove temp files and such. I don't trust many "Optimizers". They can, and often will bork your system. Seven isn't XP which needed so much help to run well. Just my opinion. A Guy

I understand what u mean. once I used the Deep Scan of Iobit ASC, it broke my Windows 7. While the quick Scan does nothing harm. So, if I use these sort of Windows Optimizers, I would never use their 'Deep Scan','Deep Optimize', sort of things.
'Deep' might means breaking the core of Windows system, I think

One thing I want to talk about is, i use the Start up Booster in Toolwiz care, and the boot time shortened, 40 seconds now, compared to 1.5 minutes before. Maybe this is one thing such Windows Optimizer could do for us Make our PC boot faster.

 

[xxxdannyxxx]

Jeriff

Just removing start-up entries from msconfig should speed up your boot time without the use of third party optimisers and a good defrag of the drive will help also. Windows 7 comes as lean as a user would want and is balanced perfectly. Just use the inbuilt tools that are already at your disposal and you wont go far wrong.

Danny

 

[Jeriff]

Jeriff

Just removing start-up entries from msconfig should speed up your boot time without the use of third party optimisers and a good defrag of the drive will help also. Windows 7 comes as lean as a user would want and is balanced perfectly. Just use the inbuilt tools that are already at your disposal and you wont go far wrong.

Danny

Yeah, i knew the msconfig method, but the startup manager in toolwiz care even allows me to delay a certain entry. I like this function very much. I delayed MSE,NOD 32 and tweetdeck, so the boost period becomes shorter, while they can also autostart after a short time. Maybe I am a little lazy, i don't want to double-click on their icons on desktop. Delayed auto-start fits me well.

 

[xxxdannyxxx]

Like I say Jeriff each to there own when it comes to third party tools like that. Personally I've just never found the need in windows 7. All you have mentioned above can be done with task scheduler also which is native to 7. I'm not sure I would ever delay the start of my security software though just to gain a few seconds in boot speed as you could find yourself connected to the internet with no protection.
I think it was "Take that" who sung "It only takes a minute"

Danny

 

[Jeriff]

Like I say Jeriff each to there own when it comes to third party tools like that. Personally I've just never found the need in windows 7. All you have mentioned above can be done with task scheduler also which is native to 7. I'm not sure I would ever delay the start of my security software though just to gain a few seconds in boot speed as you could find yourself connected to the internet with no protection.
I think it was "Take that" who sung "It only takes a minute"

Danny

maybe you are right, 1 minute is no problem. Better keep the anti-virus software auto-start....

Well, i'm still testing this new optimizer. I am always trying various software. icnic:

 

[xxxdannyxxx]

Like I say Jeriff each to there own when it comes to third party tools like that. Personally I've just never found the need in windows 7. All you have mentioned above can be done with task scheduler also which is native to 7. I'm not sure I would ever delay the start of my security software though just to gain a few seconds in boot speed as you could find yourself connected to the internet with no protection.
I think it was "Take that" who sung "It only takes a minute"

Danny

maybe you are right, 1 minute is no problem. Better keep the anti-virus software auto-start....

Well, i'm still testing this new optimizer. I am always trying various software. icnic:

I think thats a good decision 10 seconds extra boot time or a reinstall because of infection. I know what I would choose

 

[Corazon]

I delayed MSE,NOD 32 and tweetdeck

You're running MSE and NOD32 at the same time? Might not be such a good idea, antiviruses usually conflict with each other since they each use low-level access to the system and that can really bork things up badly.

Strongly suggest you uninstall one of these - personally I would keep MSE and remove NOD32.

There's a huge potential for optimizing right there!

 

[MilesAhead]

I delayed MSE,NOD 32 and tweetdeck

You're running MSE and NOD32 at the same time? Might not be such a good idea, antiviruses usually conflict with each other since they each use low-level access to the system and that can really bork things up badly.

Strongly suggest you uninstall one of these - personally I would keep MSE and remove NOD32.

There's a huge potential for optimizing right there!

+1. Better no real time shields than 2 running.

I generally don't do tweak tools unless they have one specific function. Like now and then, maybe once every 3 months, I'll run NTREGOPT. It doesn't "clean" the Registry. It just copies the hives to new files and marks the old ones for delete on next boot. I notice smoother boots for a few days afterward.

Other than that I run a light defrag program. Now I'm using Purim free defrag. Has a few options but it doesn't beat the hell out of the drive in order to save it. It's a very quick defrag esp. if you have 60 or 70% free space on the drive before defragging.

I stay away from tools that "just do it" without telling you what they're doing. Something that gives very specific options you may be ok if you know what's involved.

 

[Corazon]

That's the thing about most of these "optimizers"...they don't tell you exactly what they do, and sometimes just do dumb [expletive].

I've tried out a few in the past - more to see how they work than to really try to optimize anything - and always use Total Uninstall to monitor (and undo) the changes made.

The things I've seen some of them do make me want to strangle the person who wrote them...

 

[Jeriff]

I delayed MSE,NOD 32 and tweetdeck

You're running MSE and NOD32 at the same time? Might not be such a good idea, antiviruses usually conflict with each other since they each use low-level access to the system and that can really bork things up badly.

Strongly suggest you uninstall one of these - personally I would keep MSE and remove NOD32.

There's a huge potential for optimizing right there!

Well, I once run 4 anti-virus:
NOD32
MSE
Avast
Bitdefender。。。。
For complete safety

 

[zigzag3143]

I delayed MSE,NOD 32 and tweetdeck

You're running MSE and NOD32 at the same time? Might not be such a good idea, antiviruses usually conflict with each other since they each use low-level access to the system and that can really bork things up badly.

Strongly suggest you uninstall one of these - personally I would keep MSE and remove NOD32.

There's a huge potential for optimizing right there!

Well, I once run 4 anti-virus:
NOD32
MSE
Avast
Bitdefender。。。。
For complete safety

I have run MSE and ESET at the same time but it really isnt a good idea because the conflict can let malware in.

4 malware apps is just overkill. If you need that many you are going to some very bad places on the internet.

You are your best defense, dont click it.

 

[Jeriff]

well, maybe I went a little too far...

 

[MilesAhead]

well, maybe I went a little too far...

I'm surprised the system functioned at all. I'm not a big believer in real time shields. Maybe ok if all you do is surf and email. But they interfere with really using the machine. Something you can start and stop like Sandboxie I'd be more inclined to use.