Microsoft, Adobe Deepen Security Ties

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At the Black Hat security conference on Wednesday, Microsoft and Adobe announced they were dramatically expanding their relationship in order to better protect users against electronic threats. Now, Adobe will provide vulnerability information about its products via Microsoft's Active Protections Program (MAPP) to security solution vendors, as does Microsoft. Adobe is the first third party vendor to provide this crucial information, which will help security software makers more rapidly address new threats.

"Given the relative ubiquity of many of our products, Adobe has attracted increasing attention from attackers," Adobe senior director Brad Arkin said. "We are committed to our customers' security at every level and are excited to leverage MAPP as an important part of our overall product security initiative. MAPP is a great example of a tried and proven model giving an upper hand to a network of global defenders who all rally behind a shared purpose: protecting our mutual customers."
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I'll believe this one when I see PROOF of it. Until then its just vaporware, Heck, they can't even produce a 64 bit flash player. Does anyone really believe their promises anymore. We've been made far too many promises only to have Adobe back pedal again and again without any results. Vaporware over and over ...........
 

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I think it's a great idea. Seeing is believing IMHO. bobtran Great avatar.
 

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Somewhat surprising...since MS is putting so much into Silverlight...
 

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Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...
 

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ASUS M5A97 R2.0
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16 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-2400 @ 1866 (9-10-10-10-31)
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Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...

You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.
 

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MPC
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4 GB SODIMMS (System Max)
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nVidia 8600M GS 256MB
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Realtek On-Board
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Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...

You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.
It was sarcasm, man. Just sarcasm.
 

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A Mellon Labs X-1 - LCD Smartie driven system status display.

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Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...

You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.
It was sarcasm, man. Just sarcasm.

Sorry, I missed the sarcasm tag:p I just wanted to point out that we geeks are usually way ahead of the rest of the computer world.
 

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I just wanted to point out that we geeks are usually way ahead of the rest of the computer world.
Agreed. Most of the computer world can't seem to find the power switch. ;)
 

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A Mellon Labs X-1 - LCD Smartie driven system status display.

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Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...

You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.

Tragically true, however, there really isn't any excuse to continue this x86 only trend that Adobe is the poster child of either. While I would agree that the majority of upgrades are x86 due to hardware constraints, more and more laptops and desktops are being sold with x64 all the time and not x86 unless people are purchasing less than 3gb ram on their new pc's. Win7 x64 seems to be the default if ram is GE 3gb, check it out for yourself if you doubt it.

Whats holding the x64 environment back is lack of vendor support for x64 products (Adobe is a major contributor to this lack) and this is slowly changing. It's not just for geeks anymore. Furthermore I have not found any lack in my x64 system which I have been running since Vista SP1. Most add ons that I use can be found in a x64 version if you only take the time to look. They may be beta but they are available and they do work for the most part.

I would argue that the vast majority of people do not run any software that would force the choice of x86, its just what their pc's came installed with and they see no reason to change it which I can understand...if it works to mess with it. It is really on the part of the OEM's to change this trend which, as I pointed out above, they are slowly doing.
 

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Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...

You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.

Tragically true, however, there really isn't any excuse to continue this x86 only trend that Adobe is the poster child of either. While I would agree that the majority of upgrades are x86 due to hardware constraints, more and more laptops and desktops are being sold with x64 all the time and not x86 unless people are purchasing less than 3gb ram on their new pc's. Win7 x64 seems to be the default if ram is GE 3gb, check it out for yourself if you doubt it.

Whats holding the x64 environment back is lack of vendor support for x64 products (Adobe is a major contributor to this lack) and this is slowly changing. It's not just for geeks anymore. Furthermore I have not found any lack in my x64 system which I have been running since Vista SP1. Most add ons that I use can be found in a x64 version if you only take the time to look. They may be beta but they are available and they do work for the most part.

I would argue that the vast majority of people do not run any software that would force the choice of x86, its just what their pc's came installed with and they see no reason to change it which I can understand...if it works to mess with it. It is really on the part of the OEM's to change this trend which, as I pointed out above, they are slowly doing.

+1 :thumbsup:
 

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Windows Home Server
Maybe someone important at Microsoft can talk to someone important at Adobe, and get it through his or her thick head that 64 bit computing really does exist, and it would be really nice if Adobe would embrace current technology, rather than trotting out stuff that supports a software model from 5 years ago. Maybe they'll also notice that there's been a couple of new versions of Windows since XP.

Oh wait, I was dreaming again. I thought I heard that Acrobat Standard went below $350. It sucks to live in a dream world and then have to wake up from time to time...

You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.

Tragically true, however, there really isn't any excuse to continue this x86 only trend that Adobe is the poster child of either. While I would agree that the majority of upgrades are x86 due to hardware constraints, more and more laptops and desktops are being sold with x64 all the time and not x86 unless people are purchasing less than 3gb ram on their new pc's. Win7 x64 seems to be the default if ram is GE 3gb, check it out for yourself if you doubt it.

Whats holding the x64 environment back is lack of vendor support for x64 products (Adobe is a major contributor to this lack) and this is slowly changing. It's not just for geeks anymore. Furthermore I have not found any lack in my x64 system which I have been running since Vista SP1. Most add ons that I use can be found in a x64 version if you only take the time to look. They may be beta but they are available and they do work for the most part.

I would argue that the vast majority of people do not run any software that would force the choice of x86, its just what their pc's came installed with and they see no reason to change it which I can understand...if it works to mess with it. It is really on the part of the OEM's to change this trend which, as I pointed out above, they are slowly doing.

While I am a very happy x64 user, I think you are forgetting about a huge portion of the Windows using world. As has been noted many times, most enterprises are still on XP and won't be moving to Win 7 until next year at the earliest. Also, moving from one OS to the next is already a huge move, adding the complications of changing architecture from x86 to x64 will slow that down even more. Most enterprise organizations has tons of custom apps ususally written by IT folks that are no longer with the company. I can tell you, that a very large portion of those apps never had the concept of x64 included in their coding. Every single one of those apps has to be tested against a x64 environment. That is time consuming and frankly, when pennies are being counted, deemed a waste of time. By sticking to x86, they can have a greater level of confidence that the apps will work.

I know that our move to Office 2010 is limited to only the 32-bit version. Due to a number of excel add-ons our staff uses, that are not 64-bit compatible, the x64 release of Office 2010 has been scrapped. Given that we are upgrading from Office 2003, it's probably a pretty safe bet that we will not be upgrading again for another 2 generations. That means another 5 to 6 years with a major 32-bit app. We are not alone in that.

Please don't think I am defending Adobe in all this. I'm not, and I am a huge proponent to moving forward in a x64 world. But the realities are very different, and frankly, Adobe isn't the problem. The tons of custom, poorly coded, but hugely useful apps generated by IT organizations the world over are what's keeping the movement forward at this slow pace.
 

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MPC Transport T2500 Laptop
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Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz)
Motherboard
MPC
Memory
4 GB SODIMMS (System Max)
Graphics Card(s)
nVidia 8600M GS 256MB
Sound Card
Realtek On-Board
Monitor(s) Displays
15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20")
Hard Drives
Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM
You realize that Silverlight isn't 64-bit either, right? As much as i like MS and their products, they are also guilty of being late to the 64-bit dance. While Office 2010 has a 64-bit version, if you have any 32-bit add-ons, they will not work in 64-bit.

While many here love their 64-bit, the majority of installs out there are still 32-bit. I don't think a pure 64-bit world is anywhere close. There is still no official word that Win 8 will be 64-bit only. There may still be a 32-bit version of that.

Tragically true, however, there really isn't any excuse to continue this x86 only trend that Adobe is the poster child of either. While I would agree that the majority of upgrades are x86 due to hardware constraints, more and more laptops and desktops are being sold with x64 all the time and not x86 unless people are purchasing less than 3gb ram on their new pc's. Win7 x64 seems to be the default if ram is GE 3gb, check it out for yourself if you doubt it.

Whats holding the x64 environment back is lack of vendor support for x64 products (Adobe is a major contributor to this lack) and this is slowly changing. It's not just for geeks anymore. Furthermore I have not found any lack in my x64 system which I have been running since Vista SP1. Most add ons that I use can be found in a x64 version if you only take the time to look. They may be beta but they are available and they do work for the most part.

I would argue that the vast majority of people do not run any software that would force the choice of x86, its just what their pc's came installed with and they see no reason to change it which I can understand...if it works to mess with it. It is really on the part of the OEM's to change this trend which, as I pointed out above, they are slowly doing.

While I am a very happy x64 user, I think you are forgetting about a huge portion of the Windows using world. As has been noted many times, most enterprises are still on XP and won't be moving to Win 7 until next year at the earliest. Also, moving from one OS to the next is already a huge move, adding the complications of changing architecture from x86 to x64 will slow that down even more. Most enterprise organizations has tons of custom apps ususally written by IT folks that are no longer with the company. I can tell you, that a very large portion of those apps never had the concept of x64 included in their coding. Every single one of those apps has to be tested against a x64 environment. That is time consuming and frankly, when pennies are being counted, deemed a waste of time. By sticking to x86, they can have a greater level of confidence that the apps will work.

I know that our move to Office 2010 is limited to only the 32-bit version. Due to a number of excel add-ons our staff uses, that are not 64-bit compatible, the x64 release of Office 2010 has been scrapped. Given that we are upgrading from Office 2003, it's probably a pretty safe bet that we will not be upgrading again for another 2 generations. That means another 5 to 6 years with a major 32-bit app. We are not alone in that.

Please don't think I am defending Adobe in all this. I'm not, and I am a huge proponent to moving forward in a x64 world. But the realities are very different, and frankly, Adobe isn't the problem. The tons of custom, poorly coded, but hugely useful apps generated by IT organizations the world over are what's keeping the movement forward at this slow pace.

While I agree with most of what you say you seem to forget that most x86 apps (even in-house ones)will still run on the x64 by way of WOW so this is really not the stopper that you are foreseeing. Further, I don't count any XP installation that currently runs in a corporate/government environment as vast numbers of companies and dare I say most government offices will not upgrade/replace a working PC unless/until there is no other path/way. Many are still running Win2k despite no support and I don't imagine that XP will be any different. Remember that servers are now basically x64 only even from Microsoft and that compatibility with the computing environment is the real driver as to choice of OS. If software vendors will not move forward the customer will move on.

I disagree about Adobe however, They have made far too many promises about x64 flash (as well as their other products) and can't even pull that rabbit out of their hat (they recently pulled the plug on Linux x64 flash that was already developed). I don't think that they believe that x64 is really going to catch on and as with other monopoly companies they believe that what is good for them is good for the computing world in general. As such they will just have to suffer through the customer losses before they GET IT and hopefully they will get it before they become irrelevant. Only time will tell.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Systemax N2000 Gaming PC
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Q6600 @2.4ghz (G0 stepping)
Motherboard
XFX nforce 680i LT
Memory
8 gb OCZ vista essential sli PC-6400
Graphics Card(s)
Dual 9800gt in SLI mode
Sound Card
Integrated 8.1 High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dual Sceptre x246w 24 inch monitors
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200 each monitor
Hard Drives
500 GB SATA II / 7500 rpm
PSU
Cooler Master Real Power Pro 1250W
Case
N2000 server tower
Cooling
Thermaltake Bigwater 760 is
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MS Intelitype 6000 v2.0
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MS Intelipoint 6000
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Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Windows 7 Pro x64, Windows Home Premium X86, Windows XP pro, Windows Home Server x86, Ubuntu 10.4 x86 and x64, Ubuntu server 10.4, SQL Server 2005, MySQL 5.0
Tragically true, however, there really isn't any excuse to continue this x86 only trend that Adobe is the poster child of either. While I would agree that the majority of upgrades are x86 due to hardware constraints, more and more laptops and desktops are being sold with x64 all the time and not x86 unless people are purchasing less than 3gb ram on their new pc's. Win7 x64 seems to be the default if ram is GE 3gb, check it out for yourself if you doubt it.

Whats holding the x64 environment back is lack of vendor support for x64 products (Adobe is a major contributor to this lack) and this is slowly changing. It's not just for geeks anymore. Furthermore I have not found any lack in my x64 system which I have been running since Vista SP1. Most add ons that I use can be found in a x64 version if you only take the time to look. They may be beta but they are available and they do work for the most part.

I would argue that the vast majority of people do not run any software that would force the choice of x86, its just what their pc's came installed with and they see no reason to change it which I can understand...if it works to mess with it. It is really on the part of the OEM's to change this trend which, as I pointed out above, they are slowly doing.

While I am a very happy x64 user, I think you are forgetting about a huge portion of the Windows using world. As has been noted many times, most enterprises are still on XP and won't be moving to Win 7 until next year at the earliest. Also, moving from one OS to the next is already a huge move, adding the complications of changing architecture from x86 to x64 will slow that down even more. Most enterprise organizations has tons of custom apps ususally written by IT folks that are no longer with the company. I can tell you, that a very large portion of those apps never had the concept of x64 included in their coding. Every single one of those apps has to be tested against a x64 environment. That is time consuming and frankly, when pennies are being counted, deemed a waste of time. By sticking to x86, they can have a greater level of confidence that the apps will work.

I know that our move to Office 2010 is limited to only the 32-bit version. Due to a number of excel add-ons our staff uses, that are not 64-bit compatible, the x64 release of Office 2010 has been scrapped. Given that we are upgrading from Office 2003, it's probably a pretty safe bet that we will not be upgrading again for another 2 generations. That means another 5 to 6 years with a major 32-bit app. We are not alone in that.

Please don't think I am defending Adobe in all this. I'm not, and I am a huge proponent to moving forward in a x64 world. But the realities are very different, and frankly, Adobe isn't the problem. The tons of custom, poorly coded, but hugely useful apps generated by IT organizations the world over are what's keeping the movement forward at this slow pace.

While I agree with most of what you say you seem to forget that most x86 apps (even in-house ones)will still run on the x64 by way of WOW so this is really not the stopper that you are foreseeing. Further, I don't count any XP installation that currently runs in a corporate/government environment as vast numbers of companies and dare I say most government offices will not upgrade/replace a working PC unless/until there is no other path/way. Many are still running Win2k despite no support and I don't imagine that XP will be any different. Remember that servers are now basically x64 only even from Microsoft and that compatibility with the computing environment is the real driver as to choice of OS. If software vendors will not move forward the customer will move on.

Actually, we're finding many of the apps still have 16-bit VB elements. These break in x64. Unfortunately, VB 6 was a staple of the IT quick fix jack of all trade app and this breaks in x64.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
MPC Transport T2500 Laptop
OS
Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz)
Motherboard
MPC
Memory
4 GB SODIMMS (System Max)
Graphics Card(s)
nVidia 8600M GS 256MB
Sound Card
Realtek On-Board
Monitor(s) Displays
15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20")
Hard Drives
Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM
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