Microsoft forecasting clouds - for everyone.

[ThrashZone]

I've looked at quite a few and they are all the same in terms of use,
The exception to Onedrive is uploading Original file sizes is allowed,
Most others I looked at this was only for paying customers otherwise they compress everything,
I've heard dropbox was also an exception but Onedrive is on Outlook.com and Hotmail so it was a no brainer to use,

The only troubling thing was Microsoft handing Onedrive archives to WordPress I believe this is the Out sourcing Jimbo was referring to ?
Cheers.

 

[lehnerus2000]

The "Cloud" is a scam.

How is it a scam?

It is a means of separating the user from his/her:

• Money (unless you are using a fee-free "Cloud")
• Personal info
• Private data files

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

The "Cloud" is a scam.

How is it a scam?

It is a means of separating the user from his/her:

• Money (unless you are using a fee-free "Cloud")
• Personal info
• Private data files

You obviously don't much about paid cloud services. The cheap ones are "scams" but the better ones are secure because your data is encrypted before it leaves your computer and you hold the key. As long as you are using a reliable service and use it properly (i.e., don't depend on it to be a sole data repository), it's well worth the money you spend. Those are not scams.

 

[SIW2]

Have you not read my posts over the last few years?

If you won't listen to me, how about the legendary Steve:

“I really worry about everything going to the cloud, I think it’s going to be horrendous.

With the cloud, you don’t own anything. You already signed it away through the legalistic terms of service...

the more we transfer everything onto the web, onto the cloud, the less we’re going to have control over it."

It’s all these subscriptions… and you’ve already agreed that every right in the world belongs to them and you’ve got no rights.

When we grew up ownership was what made America different than Russia.”

Steve Wozniak ( co founder of Apple , for those who didn't know)

 

[Layback Bear]

SIW2, Steve Wozniak and me agree on this subject.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Again, it depends on what you use the cloud for and how you use it. M$'s business model? No thanks!

 

[ThrashZone]

I'm not at all sure why you Lady... think Microsoft is different than any other paid for or free cloud service ?

They have the same terms of use,

But I do agree it depends on how a person uses it
Cheers.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I'm not at all sure why you Lady... think Microsoft is different than any other paid for or free cloud service ?

They have the same terms of use,

But I do agree it depends on how a person uses it
Cheers.

M$'s and Adobe's cloud computing are different beasts from data storage/backups. Once Adobe Acrobat Standard XI reaches its EOL, if Adobe hasn't come to its senses, I'll be looking for another PDF creation/editing program. You can't paint the cloud with one paintbrush (well, you can but it wouldn't be right).

 

[margrave]

Businesses use cloud services under a contract agreement that includes a service level agreement. The contract governs the disposition and handling of the data, including security.

Free cloud service comes with no such agreement.

You get what you pay for. And you don't get what you don't pay for.

 

[margrave]

There is no difference between a free 25 gig Onedrive account and a paid for 25 gig Onedrive account,
Besides the costs,
The disclaimers of loss of data are identical,
The same terms of use are identical on all cloud services free or otherwise,
Cheers.

Same??
Have you ever written a business contract with a cloud provider?

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
You can't also avoid the Political content completely -- I know Forum rules -- but in this case it's VERY relevant.

If you don't know WHERE your data is being stored your money could be going (although in most cases hopefully quite innocently) to support some countries whose sole purpose say is to cause havoc and mayhem in most of the West.

Globalisation does have loads of downsides too -- although there are a few upsides - the Internet for one.

I could be more interested in some Cloud stuff IF the companies operating it would tell me exactly where their servers are and who is operating them -- at least now the Supermarkets have to specify where they sourced their products from and things like the FAIRTRADE label help the consumer choose whether to buy that product or not.

I really don't want or need in the ist quarter of the 21st century to support large organisations outsourcing stuff to hideously impoverished countries and paying those people a little better than "Slave Wages".

I think Ms should come clean on this type of activity --it's not BY FAR the WORST offender in this game but it's big enough to make sure its products are properly sourced and fair wages offered - even in cheaper countries.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[jimbo45]

There is no difference between a free 25 gig Onedrive account and a paid for 25 gig Onedrive account,
Besides the costs,
The disclaimers of loss of data are identical,
The same terms of use are identical on all cloud services free or otherwise,
Cheers.

Same??
Have you ever written a business contract with a cloud provider?

Hi there.

also have you ever tried ENFORCING a contract say in China or IRAN -- the Civil Courts exist but whether you as an individual - especially a foreigner from "The Greedy West" would even get NEAR one would be an interesting exercise.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[lehnerus2000]

You obviously don't much about paid cloud services. The cheap ones are "scams" but the better ones are secure because your data is encrypted before it leaves your computer and you hold the key. As long as you are using a reliable service and use it properly (i.e., don't depend on it to be a sole data repository), it's well worth the money you spend. Those are not scams.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

With HDD storage being so cheap and decent broadband being so expensive, storing large amounts of data is unviable.
I don't have any mobile devices that need to sync, so for me it is simply a scam to extract cash from my bank account.

It may be viable for people with decent broadband and mobile devices that need syncing.

I don't trust that encryption is actually effective against:

• Large IT companies (including "Cloud" providers)
• the Government
• Cyber-criminals

 

[margrave]

You're thinking in terms of personal use.
But for business use the cloud is often the right answer. How better to interact with clients? How better to offer application services?

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there

Cloud is NOT viable for HOME users as a BACKUP system -- most people I know have Music / Video libraries of SEVERAL TB - now most cloud providers will possibly give a user say 50 GB -- by NO way good enough -- and in a lot of countries you STILL pay for broadbad bandwidth - you need an UNLIMITED usage for decent size backups and you need very fast broadband as well -- most people also forget that even with FAST download - upload can be up to 10X SLOWER !!!

Might not matter in uploading a few files to a file sharing site but uploading several HUNDRED GB will take a while !!!

I think businesses don't have to worry about this as they don't use "ISP's" in the classic sense - the larger companies also have dedicated line / cable systems.

The only time it might make sense as an individual is say you were a journalist and you needed to get pictures and your story out of for example N.Korea etc where normal email etc can't be relied on.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

You obviously don't much about paid cloud services. The cheap ones are "scams" but the better ones are secure because your data is encrypted before it leaves your computer and you hold the key. As long as you are using a reliable service and use it properly (i.e., don't depend on it to be a sole data repository), it's well worth the money you spend. Those are not scams.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

With HDD storage being so cheap and decent broadband being so expensive, storing large amounts of data is unviable.
I don't have any mobile devices that need to sync, so for me it is simply a scam to extract cash from my bank account.

It may be viable for people with decent broadband and mobile devices that need syncing.

I don't trust that encryption is actually effective against:

• Large IT companies (including "Cloud" providers)
• the Government
• Cyber-criminals

The cost of cloud storage isn't the only factor to consider whether to use it or not. Often, it's the most practical way to have an offsite backup that is sufficiently remote to ensure a major local disaster will not take out both onsite data and physical offsite data. For example, an earthquake could destroy data kept both in a local business and a bank safe deposit box, say, five miles away. Physical offsite backups also are usually out of date due to the difficulty of physically accessing it. Using the cloud to store an additional backup can overcome both of those problems.

However, medium sized businesses, such as one with, say, half a dozen branches scattered across a state or two might actually find renting a cloud service to be more economically viable than trying to maintain their own server linked to all the individual branches as long as the service uses redundant storage with versioning (multiple servers scattered across the country maintaining duplicates of data and keeping previous versions and deleted data for a certain amount of time).

 

[HammerHead]

Wow!!

In case of an earthquake destroying everything in a five mile radius around me, I can not imagine me being concerned with data loss.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

In case of an earthquake destroying everything in a five mile radius around me, I can not imagine me being concerned with data loss.

Maybe not at the moment but, eventually, most people would and, definitely, most businesses would. Some things are irreplaceable, such as business records, family photos, etc. Data can include property inventories which would be invaluable for insurance purposes.

 

[whs]

Even minimal cloud services can be a pita. I recently got a W8Phone. One thing that happened was that all my files from my OneDrive (Skydrive) got synced to mu phone. Those are mostly tutorials that have no place on my phone. It took me a few hours to get rid of them.

I hate all these automatic procedures. My PCs, my tablets and my phone have completely different purposes and I don't want some ghost in the sky to sync stuff to those devices that I don't want there.

 

[Layback Bear]

I wonder who came up with the idea that everybody wanted all their computing devices to work and look like all their other computing devices?
A phone is used for phone calls.
A tablet is used for playing tinker toy stuff and thrown away when broken.
A desktop/Laptop is used for everything computing and is repairable if need be.

I'm I showing my age? May be; I still remember using a party line phone attached to a wall with a operator listing.