Microsoft Really Getting Sneaky On Windows 10

[FD611V]

Back in August I install Windows 10 on my HP p6750f desktop. After several months I couldn't get the handle on it...in others words frustrating to say the least. Anything, last week I decided to go back to Windows 7 Home....which I like very much as does what most people enjoy having a good OS.

Today, I check in with Windows updates, and it shows I had 32 updates ready to install. These five I "unchecked" due to they harbor the Windows 10. KB 3035583, KB 3102429, KB 2799926, KB 299226, and KB 3032655. They are connected to Windows 10 in someway to be installed.

I have my Windows Update set as follows: "Check for update, but let me choose whether to download and install them." I click the ones that I wanted to install. After the installation went ok, the computer wanted a restart, which click ok. That is where Microsoft took control of my computer and "changed" my Update settings to "Automatically Install Updates", and with that they downloaded the five (5) updates ( as listed above) that I "unchecked". The Windows 10 logo showed up in my taskbar.

I immediately went to the control panel to have the five updates uninstalled. Which went smoothly.

So, it appears Microsoft is doing their best to have all computers to be with Windows 10.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Well I would also uncheck give me recommended updates the same way as important ones,
The only Important windows update to date has been kb ...2343
Of course I hid it
Everything else to date has been recommended which will show as important unless you uncheck the box as stated above or shown in the image
But yes sneaky has started

 

[michael diemer]

I think it's best to choose "Never check for updates." Extreme times call for extreme measures. You need to go to the max in ensuring they do not take control of your computer. Do everything you can to protect yourself.

 

[ThrashZone]

That is not a good idea or no where near time to go to that drastic measure :/

All it takes is simple research no more or less

 

[FD611V]

I would say, "one of those 27 updates that I left checked, would automatically change how I wanted updates to be downloaded and installed." With that one update, it would over-ride all others that I have unchecked and how I set my updates, and went into "auto" update by Microsoft.

Bill Gates needs a few more billions, and he know how to set the score. His plans on giving away Windows 10 free, is just a scheme to get paid later... billions

 

[strollin]

... Bill Gates needs a few more billions, and he know how to set the score. His plans on giving away Windows 10 free, is just a scheme to get paid later... billions

Bill Gates hasn't had anything to do with running MS for quite a few years now.

 

[OvenMaster]

I think it's best to choose "Never check for updates." Extreme times call for extreme measures. You need to go to the max in ensuring they do not take control of your computer. Do everything you can to protect yourself.

I must agree. I've checked manually for updates since XP in 2004 and I have never had a problem.
I'll check for updates on my schedule, not Microsoft's.

 

[FD611V]

... Bill Gates needs a few more billions, and he know how to set the score. His plans on giving away Windows 10 free, is just a scheme to get paid later... billions

Bill Gates hasn't had anything to do with running MS for quite a few years now.

You need to upgrade your computer, it's way behind others...read

Bill Gates Explains His New Role At Microsoft, Says Nadella Asked Him To “Pitch In” | TechCrunch

 

[FD611V]

I think it's best to choose "Never check for updates." Extreme times call for extreme measures. You need to go to the max in ensuring they do not take control of your computer. Do everything you can to protect yourself.

I must agree. I've checked manually for updates since XP in 2004 and I have never had a problem.
I'll check for updates on my schedule, not Microsoft's.

That's great, but, how do you know which one of those updates that show ready to upgrade that is the one that will change your settings, such as it did mine today.

 

[AddRAM]

You are to read what every update does BEFORE you install it, we have been saying this for over a 1000 years.

We have been posting lists for Centuries.

 

[ThrashZone]

Dang how long was I napping

 

[Layback Bear]

The Microsoft world has changed and as of now we can't do much about it.

When it comes to Windows 7 Updates the old days of just putting in on auto and trust Microsoft is over and gone.

Many people now have to learn to do their own homework so they can select the Windows Updates they want.
One must just do a little research on this forum and the internet to get a idea whether they want a Update or not.

Not installing any Windows 7 Updates in my opinion is double down dumb. (DDD)
Most Windows 7 offered Updates are needed and should be installed.
We all just have to do our homework before installing Updates.

I would also suggest checking other programs on your system to see if any needed updates are available.

I have never use auto update anything. I do all updates of everything manually. That way I know what is installed and when on my computers.

I know this will be a new experience to those who just booted a computer every now and then and let auto update Windows, Google, Firefox, Chrome, Adobe, and many more programs run in the background and do the updating.
The old (set it and forget it) days are gone in my opinion.
In my opinion it's time for many to become more knowledgeable about their computers and start doing such things manually. It's not hard to learn and keeping things updated really doesn't take much time to do.
I know that just about anybody can do updates manually because I do it several time a day.
Remember I only have 3 working brain cells and it take 2 cups of coffee to get them working.

 

[MeOnMine]

Hey LB.
I thought it read "3 Brian cells"

That reminded me of "What does DNA stand for"?

National Dyslexic Association.

 

[AddRAM]

Before the Preview of 10 and this whole debacle came along everything was honky dory, if you wanted to test out a new system you did it on your own terms.

I still don`t understand the logic behind MS giving away a free OS/upgrade whatever you want to call it.

I clearly remember the day when I turned on my system and it said your windows will now be upgraded.

Even knowing full well about Windows 10 and being an insider, I too was still snafooed, but that`s all in the past :shock: or is it.

 

[starchase]

I think it's best to choose "Never check for updates." Extreme times call for extreme measures. You need to go to the max in ensuring they do not take control of your computer. Do everything you can to protect yourself.

I must agree. I've checked manually for updates since XP in 2004 and I have never had a problem.
I'll check for updates on my schedule, not Microsoft's.

I thought I'd add my agreement here as well. I have both my PC's to never check, so I manually check every couple weeks and look to see what each one is about before I accept them for installation. I hear of these reports of Updates changing people's settings too often!

John

 

[Berkey]

Makes me wonder what MS will stoop to when they kick off their "big push" at the beginning of the year? I also wonder what things will be like once the free year upgrade is over? Will we be able to update in peace?

 

[groze]

My mother would never do any of this updating or backing up the computer. Not, that she couldn't do it. She, just wouldn't have the patience. I barely have the patience myself. Also, she is not into computers unlike me.

 

[Alejandro85]

You are to read what every update does BEFORE you install it, we have been saying this for over a 1000 years.

We have been posting lists for Centuries.

While nice in theory, there are a few problems with this in real life.

First problem is that there is little or just nothing to read. Within the Windows Update screen there is a short description of the selected update, but almost always is too generic and just vague to address what problem or benefit really it does. Unless going to the MS website, google for that specific update and carefully read the description it's pretty much impossible to know what it's changing in the computer. And that has been that way for over 1000 years too
Add that to the fact that Microsoft is purposely being deceitful with those malicious updates. No one says something like "This patch will show advertisements for Windows 10, download and install it", but instead continue to say something vague along the lines of "This provides an upgrade to the update service" (don't remember the exact quote, but the idea is that). There is a reason why virus writers call them "CoolPicture.jpg.exe" instead of "ThisWillDestroyYourComputer.exe".

Then list. Yes, there have been for centuries maybe, but the main problem to them is that they're scattered all over the place, without a single "authoritative" place to look for reference. They invariably end up buried in the middle of a 40 pages long thread, typically outdated within weeks and maybe contradictory in some cases. Everyone agrees that KB3035583 is the main offender (that deploys the GWX malware), but for most others there are diverging experiences.
Add that to the fact that MS is constantly republishing those bad updates so that the become "un-ignored" and people have a chance to be hit by them anyways.

Bottom line, doing your homework is always a good step, I agree, but on this is very difficult mainly because of the lack of reliable sources of information to prevent the malicious updates. If one really wants to avoid them like the plague, running Windows Update today is like walking in mined terrain, possible but highly risky. Even knowledgeable people has the chance to fall victim of those if not very careful.

 

[Layback Bear]

I do agree Alejandro85, that finding enough information is close to impossible. The true source of the proper information would have to be Microsoft and they are not giving up much information.

Sometimes research brings little results no matter where one looks. At that point one has to roll the dice. Controlling what KB's are installed and when can help one figure out what KB caused a problem.
The average computer user will probably not go through the time to do such things and that is exactly what Microsoft depends on to spread their B/S.
As the old saying goes.
You throw enough B/S against the wall often enough some will have to stick.
It seem that is Microsoft new method of handing out Updates for Windows 7.
This method will entrap millions of unsuspecting users.

 

[FD611V]

After hours of searching and researching on how Windows 10 is sneaked into the updates to get downloaded. One has to go back and do some "old 2012 updates" we all preformed updates on our PC's. So, here's the research bit. When you read the update KB 3035583 on how it works, you will find there are several previous updates that has to be on your computer before it can be downloaded.

Here are those updates"
April 2014 update rollup for Windows RT. 8.1, Windows 8.1 & Windows Server 2012 RR (2919355). 2932096, 2937592, 2938439, 2934015, and 2959977.

I uninstalled all those above and set my computer to receive 'Automatic Updates." This morning I had 13 "new" updates and would you know... no KB3035583 is listed.