Microsoft to users: You'll download Windows 10, and you'll like it

[roiiploe]

While I used to be the first to jump on early releases/beta software, I've completely lost interest now that I'm getting older. I'd rather let others be the guinea pigs these days.

+1.

Over here - I was excited about trying Win 10 in a "production" environment and had decent success since my initial mid August install.

But after a few months of studying the real privacy concerns, the forced updates, incompatibilities (with some of my specific audio items), outward crashes (A giant one effected Wavelab this past week) and a general feeling of "lipstick on a pig" - it was time to get off this train.

My number one issue with Win 10 is that I cannot find a single thing (from an actual work/audio workflow perspective) that warrants the hassle of an upgrade. There is not a feature there that has interest to me.

So - to ensure I can get control of my environment back and enjoy maximum stability and maturity for my critical customer workflow - I rolled this one machine back to Windows 7 yesterday.

And judging by the reports and issues that are coming in with the Nov update - I am glad I ditched it.

Gave it a shot and may do so again - but right now is not worth the hassle factor.

VP

 

[ThrashZone]

I meant the edge data, yes. Of course they would mention it on the EULA, else they would get sued in an instant. But still it is pretty scary that they actually collect some data from you.

Mostly usage meaning which menus.... are used but will also use site info for functionality for instance I personally never used compatibility view lists from M$ but it is a default Alt+TB when edge or ie11... are open they download automatically where do you think those lists are generated
All browsers use them you just don't know it.

 

[Laith]

@groze Well, you have a point there.

That's odd indeed, wondering why they did that.

@ThrashZone No one can be fully anonymous on the internet. It will remain like that until the internet is done for, which will never happen.

I'm just worried because i've seen many articles that talks about how MS steals your data via Windows 10 and how you are exposing yourself to Microsoft by upgrading to Windows 10. Personally i don't give a crap if they have information about me or not. I'm just worried about other people.

 

[UsernameIssues]

I also find it odd to see an kb3107998 optional update on non Lenovo system

Did you install it?

 

[groze]

I also find it odd to see an kb3107998 optional update on non Lenovo system

Did you install it?

No, I hid it. The way I understand that update is for Lenovo systems unless for some strange reason Microsoft thinks my all-in-one Dell is a Lenovo laptop.

 

[Barman58]

So, an update that is optional, (based on whether you are running a HP laptop or not), is sent out to all systems, what's wrong with that?

I'm sure if Microsoft checked to see what exact laptop you are using in order to only send to those using applicable laptops, we would not be inundated by irate users whining about another invasion of privacy, either users want to decide what is installed on their system or not.

 

[UsernameIssues]

I also find it odd to see an kb3107998 optional update on non Lenovo system

Did you install it?

No, I hid it. The way I understand that update is for Lenovo systems unless for some strange reason Microsoft thinks my all-in-one Dell is a Lenovo laptop.

According to Windows Update Catalog
KB3107998 replaces KB3045645.
(See my thread here for screenshots of the Windows Update Catalog.)

If you installed KB3045645, then you should probably install KB3107998.

If you did not install KB3045645, then you should definitely install KB3107998. Forcing a UAC prompt when customized SDB files are created sounds like a good thing to me. KB3107998 does more than just what that one sentence summary states. Just look at the list of files that it updates.

edit:
There are Windows Shim Database files (.SDB files). See Application Compatibility Database. Apps are allowed to silently change those files. KB3045645 is an optional update from March 2015 that prevents those silent changes. The UAC prompt will now appear. KB3107998 replaces KB3045645. From the looks of the files being updated, MS opted to change (improve?) how it monitors the SDB files.

SDB files are not only used to store application compatibility info, they are used by MS's Fix It tools (e.g. this one) to prevent harm from exploits until patches can be developed/tested/deployed.

KB3045645 and KB3107998 are optional. They don't address an security exploit - but it sure seems like a good idea to invoke the UAC prompt before you let an app change Shim Database files (.SDB files).

 

[groze]

So, an update that is optional, (based on whether you are running a HP laptop or not), is sent out to all systems, what's wrong with that?

Barman58,
Nothing is wrong with that. See, I always thought windows update scans your computer for updates and then list them. However, Microsoft may have changed things.


UsernameIssues

Are you saying that update is not just for Lenovo systems? If so, that is fine & would make more sense.

 

[UsernameIssues]

So, an update that is optional, (based on whether you are running a HP laptop or not), is sent out to all systems, what's wrong with that?

Barman58,
Nothing is wrong with that. See, I always thought windows update scans your computer for updates and then list them. However, Microsoft may have changed things.


UsernameIssues

Are you saying that update is not just for Lenovo systems? If so, that is fine & would make more sense.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. IMO, KB3107998 is of value - no matter the brand.

 

[Golden]

Also one last thing i want to mention is Microsoft stealing data from your computer. I mean are they really serious? They can steal somebody's personal information and banking account. That itself is just insane, to believe that Microsoft really wants to do this to us. We are just innocent people that wants to have a functional computer without anyone spying on us etc. From my perspective Microsoft has taken this too far.

If you believe that, then you will believe anything :sarc:

Read the EULA the next time you have an hour or three. MSpy admits they are uploading your data from your computer and you have to agree to it to use Win 10. They claim they are only going to use it to ferret out problems (and that's probably true) but what is to keep hackers, governments, etc. from accessing that data?

Then by definition it isn't theft.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

If you believe that, then you will believe anything :sarc:

Read the EULA the next time you have an hour or three. MSpy admits they are uploading your data from your computer and you have to agree to it to use Win 10. They claim they are only going to use it to ferret out problems (and that's probably true) but what is to keep hackers, governments, etc. from accessing that data?

Then by definition it isn't theft.

By legal definition it isn't theft. Morally is another story. And no matter what definition you want to play semantics with, it is still invasive, a violation of one's privacy, and puts one's data at increased risk for being stolen since MSpy is a far more likely target for hackers and government spying than an individual computer system.

 

[Indianatone]

I can see I am going to be busy again with one of my machines. Not booted it for a week or so and just did it to run updates and this is what I find. Not quite as in your face as the last time but never the less inexperienced users would not know how to get out of this mess.

 

[Indianatone]

I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.

Download this update and then alter group policy as set in the document is the only way to get rid of this now.
I am very angry that I have to mess about so much just to keep Virus 10 off of my machine. I have never had to mess with a virus this hard. 10 is malware, I did not ask for it and I do not want it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

 

[groze]

Indianatone here is what I have hidden.

What bugs me, is I multiple boot between operating systems, I really don't need two windows 10 operating systems.

 

[Painter]

I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.

That is really weird. You checked the Widows Installed list and KB3035583 is definitely not there ?

I have read that the registry can get reset by MS for the upgrade - it is still as you set it?

Microsoft Admits It Tried to Install Windows 10 on Windows 7/8 Without Users Knowing About It - Softpedia

W10 installs in the background - but all fixed now. Another mistake they knew nothing about!

 

[lehnerus2000]

Meh!

As I said, I don't hate 10, I can see the appeal. But for me... No thanks, I'm perfectly happy with 7. It does everything I need and more.

My number one issue with Win 10 is that I cannot find a single thing (from an actual work/audio workflow perspective) that warrants the hassle of an upgrade. There is not a feature there that has interest to me.

Agreed.
IMO, it's not as good as W7 or XP.

Here is my Windows OS ranking:

1. W7 - only has some minor annoyances
2. XP - once I swapped to FF from IE6 it only had some minor annoyances
3. W10 - more annoying than W7 or XP
4. Vista - more annoying than W7 or XP
5. W98 - spent a lot of time fixing malware issues
6. W8 series - most annoying version(s) of Windows

So, an update that is optional, (based on whether you are running a HP laptop or not), is sent out to all systems, what's wrong with that?

I'm sure if Microsoft checked to see what exact laptop you are using in order to only send to those using applicable laptops, we would not be inundated by irate users whining about another invasion of privacy, either users want to decide what is installed on their system or not.

If it just downloads all updates anyway, why does Windows Update spend 5 - 10 minutes churning before it starts downloading the Patch Tuesday updates?

Then by definition it isn't theft.

They are only copying it so it isn't theft?
Tell that to the BSAA, MPAA, RIAA, etc.

 

[Indianatone]

I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.

That is really weird. You checked the Widows Installed list and KB3035583 is definitely not there ?

I have read that the registry can get reset by MS for the upgrade - it is still as you set it?

Microsoft Admits It Tried to Install Windows 10 on Windows 7/8 Without Users Knowing About It - Softpedia

W10 installs in the background - but all fixed now. Another mistake they knew nothing about!

None of the updates listed in my document are on any of my machines. The registry setting was over ridden for the second time. This time I have applied the update 3065987
and the group policy setting.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep
Might just show the best way to not upgrade is to catch all the updates before they install :/

If I hadn't just done a install on my new build and still did not or have not gotten any signs of win-10 being offered as you have repeatedly been offered I wouldn't of believed it

Still no sign on my 6-7 y.o. Acer either which again none of the 10 updates ever installed so they were never removed
You can never rule out a corrupt user account

 

[Indianatone]

Yep
Might just show the best way to not upgrade is to catch all the updates before they install :/

If I hadn't just done a install on my new build and still did not or have not gotten any signs of win-10 being offered as you have repeatedly been offered I wouldn't of believed it

Still no sign on my 6-7 y.o. Acer either which again none of the 10 updates ever installed so they were never removed
You can never rule out a corrupt user account

It is a different OS this time than the last time so user account is not it I'm afraid. One thing is for sure everyone who wants to keep 7 on their machine has to be EXTREMELY VIGILANT to say the least. Take regular back ups and research every patch. I am seriously considering setting updates to off and check manually.

 

[ThrashZone]

We've already went through the settings

Manually checking for updates well that note on the bottom of the settings page should be noticed
I do not manually check for updates they come or not I'm not worried about that
And yes they do show up by themselves.

Must be all those v-m's M$ knows you want it