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Microsoft: Is this Steve Ballmer's last throw of the dice?


...Its last great bet was on Windows 8, a radical reinvention of its iconic operating system, designed to allow people to flip easily between tablets and PCs.

It was a disaster, both in the timing and the execution. Microsoft had started courting a tablet audience too late, and simultaneously alienated its longstanding customers who were still wedded to the old Windows style.

...But the question that is still plaguing many analysts was why has Microsoft not done more, and why is Mr Ballmer still in place after its catalogue of recent failures. He famously has Mr Gates’ backing, not to mention a huge tranche of Microsoft shares, But even so, it is hard to think of other technology chiefs that would have ridden out the disasters he has.

“I can’t see any other company in the industry where a chief executive would have been given as much time and as many new chances,” says a source. “He hasn’t made the mobile phone work. He hasn’t made Windows 8 work as well as it was supposed to.”

It might be a surprise that he has remained in position this far, but one thing seems clear: while this is unlikely to be Microsoft’s last rodeo, it is Mr Ballmer’s last big roll of the dice.
Microsoft: Is this Steve Ballmer's last throw of the dice? - Telegraph


I think his last dice roll came up snake eyes.
 

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You wouldn't want the 8 or 8.1 version of WMP to start with! They removed all the codecs and dvd/vcd playback capabilities in favor of forcing people to go out any buy separate players to begin with! VLC is about the closest to WMP and is a freebie you can grab for either however.

Haven't tried them myself yet (I have both Win 8 Media Center as and Media Player), but have you looked to Sharky’s codec package? I know they worked on Win 7

Anyway having 8 on my laptop, I'm getting quite use to it considering I use my laptop nearly as much as my main Win 7 desktop machine. And, no, my laptop is not touch.

The package installer for that removes existing codecs in favor of the combination that comes with. The problem with WMP 13 or whatnot you want to call it for 8, 8.1 is the lack of both video and dvd/vcd playback capabilities requiring that you go out and look.

MS figured there are so many players out therre why bother to keep on putting any in anymore. And replacing codecs still wouldn't replace the dvd/vcd functions they removed. Just another headache for running a vastly "stripped down" OS! Suited for tablet where you wouldn't run them there anyway. Just forget all about the desktop users would be the main critism for that.

Yep I eventually found it under the Windows Features window and it was ticked so I guess what started of with me just about to blow a gasket and dump 8 I now have the WNP a it was with my music still attached.

All the same the OS is nice and speedy - my boot time is just 12 secs to start screen and that is wit SanDisk SSD which was not that quick with 7 but overall so so convoluted which is making accepting it so hard.

Strip down any version of Windows to practically the bare bones and you will see it start up faster. The WaitToKillServices value in the registry was also lowered from 12000 seen in Vista/7 down to 5000. Some here run 7 with that much, much lower some only 400-500. To prevent unclosed program errors however a good 1000-1200 generally works for that.

So is that few seconds faster worth losing half of what is and has been seeminly always included in Windows par Legacy Days obviously until present really worth it? Not here. I can find an endless list of Linux distros that will reach the UNIX desktop in even less time then 8, 8.1! What is "under the hood" are the things about 7 that made it a champ over seeing MS come out after that with some contortion of tablet reality that no longer meets up with the desktop.

Convolution is about the "all so nice" touch&swipe you get with your new Surface tablet or one running 8 not about your average desktop to begin with. One thing I suspect as to why 7 was finally an OS Made Good is that MS already knew they would trashing the OS for the next few versions to go off on a venture in tablet land foresaking the desktop platform entirely! That will allow stubborn businesses time to finally get their act together and dump XP which will be dead issue in so many months now anyways and move up to 7(which would be obvious to see) or 8.
 

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Hmmm, makes me wonder how some people define "enthusiast?" I mean, if they reject W8 can they really be thought of as enthusiastic? :devil:
 

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Yes, they are enthusiastic about computers and a OS made for desktops not smartphones.
 

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Yes, they are enthusiastic about computers and a OS made for desktops not smartphones.

I'm glad you cleared that up. I wouldn't want Windows to Puninstall if nobody explained the joke. :)
If this is enthusiasm I'd hate to see disgruntled. :devil:
 

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Yes, they are enthusiastic about computers and a OS made for desktops not smartphones.

I'm glad you cleared that up. I wouldn't want Windows to Puninstall if nobody explained the joke. :)
If this is enthusiasm I'd hate to see disgruntled. :devil:

Groan! ;)
 

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Actually if you're a true PC enthusiast you should at least give Win 8 a go. This way you can truly say what you like and dislike about it.

I've read posts here and elsewhere of so called enthusiasts stating they've never tried it; that reading the negative reviews or hearing from others on how bad it is was good enough for them.

Other classics... my friend tried it and didn't like it, or the "I tried it at my local (insert) store and didn't like it" :huh:

That hardly seems credible to me, but.... :confused:
 

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Actually if you're a true PC enthusiast you should at least give Win 8 a go. This way you can truly say what you like and dislike about it.
That is a very valid point. However, I have it but have never installed it -why? because it was going cheap and I may need it in the future. I do think it is valid to listen to the criticism of others less lazy than me who have tried it and find it lacking for desktop users. It strikes me that for even bog standard office use it appears lacking. Given I have W7 installed on 3 PCs and 2 spare copies I'll leave W8 in the box for the time being.
 

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I've installed it nearly a dozen times and never spent more time with it than it took to make it a tolerable desktop experience: adding Windows 7 Start Menu for Windows 8 which toggles off Metro and grafts on a replica 7 Start Menu, uninstalling the crApps to default to WMP, decent Reader, etc. Then I finish it off by adding 8GadgetPack - Gadgets for Windows 8 . By then it was an inferior knock-off of Win7 so why stick around?

Never found the slideshow previously so I couldn't set up the most popular feature on my installs which is the spectacular Win7 all-National-Editions backgrounds slideshow with 120 Original Windows 7 High Resolution Scenery Regional Wallpapers Free Download. But just now I adapted my sister's Toshiba 8 preinstall and it strangely had the slide show function. It' isn't Blue, maybe it's the first useful Toshiba add-on?
 
Actually if you're a true PC enthusiast you should at least give Win 8 a go. This way you can truly say what you like and dislike about it.
That is a very valid point. However, I have it but have never installed it -why? because it was going cheap and I may need it in the future. I do think it is valid to listen to the criticism of others less lazy than me who have tried it and find it lacking for desktop users. It strikes me that for even bog standard office use it appears lacking. Given I have W7 installed on 3 PCs and 2 spare copies I'll leave W8 in the box for the time being.

With 3 computers running Win7 I'm sure you can find the space to setup VMware ® Player and give 8 a try. That's what I did before getting my laptop which also came with 8.

With VMware I'm running 8.1, while just running 8 on the laptop. This allows me the check out the OS and see the differences between the two.

BTW performance wise 8 is just as good if not better than 7. And I'm running 8 straight out of the box. No add-ins.

My two cents.
 

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Its funny that everyone who has Windows 8 wants to get it to look like Windows 7, certainly the laptop that was purchased for my friend was hastily configured by add ons to try and resemble windows 7 again in some way.

Windows 8 does things differently, I have worked with it and as I have said apart from task manager, I am not overly happy with it, the ease of use is not there on a traditional format piece of hardware.

Having apps opening that arent closed down until you physically go and close them in task manager is just one of my bugbears.

I have not tried the OS on a touch interface, and maybe, just maybe, here it will all make sense, but on a laptop or a desktop, not so sure.
 

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Having apps opening that aren't closed down until you physically go and close them in task manager is just one of my bugbears.

You know I never knew about this issue till you mentioned it. I was just about ready to post how to close apps when I checked to see what you're talking about. Sure enough, this is true. Wow!

Anyway grabbing the open window at the top and dragging it down to the bottom, or moving your mouse to the upper left hand corner of your desktop, right clicking the open item, and clicking close, or even Alt+F4 doesn't necessarily close it out of the task manager. Man I never noticed that.

BTW this is there even in 8.1 :shock:

Anyway - Geek 101: How to close apps in Windows 8 | Chips | Geek.com
 

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Its funny that everyone who has Windows 8 wants to get it to look like Windows 7, certainly the laptop that was purchased for my friend was hastily configured by add ons to try and resemble windows 7 again in some way.

That's because they tried to force the consumer mass market to accept a phone and tablet touchscreen OS on desktops.

This after building a perfect Desktop Experience culminating in Win7, which consumers came to rely upon to do the productive work which drives the world economy, or provides a real keyboard to crank out email or homework.

How many of MS billion customers wanted a touchscreen app on their desktop PC?

The reports I see is that it doesn't work that great even on a touchscreen. There isn't that much demand for them on PC's.
 
Its funny that everyone who has Windows 8 wants to get it to look like Windows 7, ...

MS doesn't think so. :D

Didn't Tami Reller(?) imply that people must be stupid if they don't love W8?
 

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Didn't Tami Reller(?) imply that people must be stupid if they don't love W8?

Did she? I must have missed that. Ironic if she did.
 

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Extreme Interpretation

Didn't Tami Reller(?) imply that people must be stupid if they don't love W8?
Did she? I must have missed that. Ironic if she did.

I admit that is a somewhat extreme interpretation of what she was quoted as saying. :D
The update will “address customer feedback.”
And yes, they’re paying attention. “All ideas that have percolated through the mainstream press are things that have been considered,” she said, noting that it will also help traditional PC users transition to the new operating system (without explicitly admitting the Start button is making a comeback). “We are being principled, not stubborn,” she told Ms. Foley.
Of course she missed the point (like some people on EightForums) that many(?) people don't want to transition to the new system (at least on desktop PCs).
 

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.....Of course she missed the point (like some people on EightForums) that many(?) people don't want to transition to the new system (at least on desktop PCs).


Transitioning in and of itself is not a problem. Many people, would gladly transition to a superior OS, but not to an inferior one.
For the purposes of a desktop PC W8 is quite inferior to W7.
Many people were looking forward to the new OS till it came out and they discovered it was designed first for a tablet, second for a smart phone, and lastly for a desktop PC as a mere after thought, and 8.1 was just more of the same.
 
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HP ProDesk 400 G3
OS
Windows 7 Pro x64
CPU
Intel I7 6700 3.40 GHz
Memory
8GB
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung 21.5" LED
Hard Drives
1 TB
Keyboard
Ducky mechanical with PBT double shot keycaps.
I certainly think we would have had a lot more people coming on to Eightforums if W8 became too big..
 

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Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bit, Windows Developer ...Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2180@2GHzNVIDIA GeForce 7200 GS
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bit, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9 Gnome 32 Bit
CPU
Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2180@2GHz
Motherboard
Elitegroup 671T-M3
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce 7200 GS
Monitor(s) Displays
AOC TFT1560 15" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1024x768
Keyboard
Logitech USB Keyboard
Well I have to say I have got to be used to t now after a few teething troubles. I certainly like the lightning speed and I don't care if anyone ridicules me for having a 7 style start up screen anymore.

The fact you can swap between 7 and Metro screens is just too easy if one so wishes and it has just breathed new life into my main laptop. The apps I would advise anyone to stay well clear off and as for touch screen stuff is that really necessary on a desktop or laptop or that matter have we got to be so modern and besides I think cleaning the screen of smears every few minutes would drive me mad.

Personally I just cloned my 7 and upgraded onto another drive so if I want to go back to seven all I have to do is swap the drives and that can be done by moving the SATA cable for heavens sake is that so difficult?
I am going to try that on my Sandy Bridge as soon as I get my eye done and afford another SSD.
As it is I get the best of both worlds at the moment but there again I am just a plain old plonker who isn't into gaming or the really high tech stuff.
Bit of as a storm in a tea cup although I do think Microsoft didn't really think it out too well.
 

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Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap A...Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i...Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop...Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
it will also help traditional PC users transition to the new operating system

You will notice a lot of these loaded statements from MS. They automatically assume you will do what they want.

It is designed to appear helpful but is really intended to assert MS agenda

It indicates MS needs to win and MS needs you to lose/give in.


Loaded questions are similar, nice exposition here:

"How am I to get in?" asked Alice again, in a louder tone.

"Are you to get in at all?" said the Footman, "That's the first question, you know."

It can be very effective. Many fall for that kind of manipulation.Try and be as smart as the footman quoted above.
 

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    7 X64i5 84002x8gb 3200mhz
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7 X64
    CPU
    i5 8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Hard Drives
    various
    PSU
    pure power 11 400w cm
    Case
    Coolermaster
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
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    7x64g54008gb ddr4 2400
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7x64
    CPU
    g5400
    Motherboard
    ga b365m ds3h
    Memory
    8gb ddr4 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450w
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