more than 8GB RAM?

Wow, I've never had even close to that many tabs open, if that normal for you, yes, 16gb of RAM.

The about:config tweak will give you back some RAM when Firefox is minimized, not as much as you might be hoping for though!
 

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HP Desktop & Compaq Laptop
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Win 10 x64, Linux Lite, Win 7 x64, BlackArch, & Kali
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Samsung 850 Pro 256Gb,
Hitachi HDD 1Tb,
Crucial MX SSD 250Gb
Segate 3Tb USB 3.0 Ext. Backup HDD
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150Mbps dn, 20Mbps up
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Avast Free, Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit & Anti-Ransomware
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Firefox, Chrome, Opera, & VPN
Do you have to run 30+ tabs at once or have you gotten into the habit of not closing them?
 

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System One System Two

Do you turn off your computer, at least once a day, or it is always on or hibernates?

The memory can be also full with standby memory.
Too much memory on standby.....
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
right now, chrome has reddit, a forum, a chat tab, 5 youtube tabs, a couple of soundcloud tabs, a couple of ebay tabs, facebook, amazon, a couple of news sites, a couple of review sites, imdb, and some assorted. firefox has 7 tabs open. a few of chromes are 'suspended'. plus word and excel 2007. I definitely don't turn off once per day, maybe once per month (hibernate is disabled), I've got 10+ notepad.exe's open with various documents which I prefer not to have to re open after a boot

performance really isn't bad. I don't really do anything demanding with it, video editing or gaming. the issue really is this (inconsistent) once-every-50 saving pauses. I did try the firefox tweak, my used mem went below 7GB for the first time I've seen, didn't specifically notice any loss in performance
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Fujitsu
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
i5
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD3000
Sound Card
Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
VX912
Hard Drives
SSD
Bob, if there is 16GB (2x 8GB) of Samsung memory on ebay for around £50, and you say it's a reasonable price, buy it.

On Firefox you can pin a tab so the next time you open it it will be there.
My recommendation is to shutdown the computer at least once a day or when not in use.
 

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  • Computer type
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    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
I bought the 16GB, it wasn't a hard sell to be honest. had the end result of....my laptop apparently running slightly slower (the original save-as dialogue waiting time didn't manifest itself, but the overall feel of it)

Ran the windows experience index (first thing available), with the following

(excuse the formatting,,)

_________orig___upgrade_upgrade___orig_test______orig
_________spec__________2nd run___spec_1sodimm__spec

_________2x4___2x8_____2x8______2x4__1x8______2x4
cpu______7_____7_______7________7.1__7.1_______7.1
ram______7.4___7.4______7.4______7.4__7.1_______7.4
gfx_______6.3___5.7______5.9______6.3__6.3_______6.3
gaming___6.3___6.3______6.3______6.3__6.3_______6.3
hdd______7.9___7.9______7.9______7.9__7.9_______7.9

effectively, 16GB gave me a 10% hit on my graphics speed. changed back to 2x4GB, and got my original scores.

using a single 8GB stick rather than 2x4GB, gave me a slight hit on my RAM speed (1 stick wouldn't be running in dual channel mode?), then put it all back to normal, and I've got my original scores back.

16GB generally felt slower too.......predictably bulked up my swap file size to 16GB as well.

The only thing I can think, is that the cpu had to work harder at maintaining the twice size swap file?

I think I'll stick with 2x4GB config

just out of interest, in 2x4GB config, I have 7-7.5GB used out of 8GB
when I was running in 2x8GB config, it was using (exactly the same applic's open) about 12GB out of 16GB

windows 7 seems to eat up any RAM thrown at it? but in this case, it didn't actually improve it

I ran a site called UserBenchMark just in case,

(higher percentage is better)

_________2x4GB____2x8GB___1x8GB
CPU______40.5%____38.3%___39.9%
gfx_______2.39%____2.38%___2.25%
RAM______45%______43.6%___29.3%

2x4GB seems the best result. RAM *really* takes a hit in single mode?
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Fujitsu
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
i5
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD3000
Sound Card
Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
VX912
Hard Drives
SSD
Windows desktop environment usually takes 20-25% physical RAM, however much RAM you use. However you should see a performance increase when using more RAM, ie., when going from 2x4GB to 2x8GB.

You are not exactly seeing that, so I'd assume that the memory clock and memory latencies of the 2x4GB sticks are faster than the 2x8GB sticks.

As you have said yourself, you'd expect 1x8GB to be slower than 2x4GB because dual-channel RAM is faster than single channel RAM.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64, Vista x64, 8.1 smartphone
CPU
Intel E8400 65W 64-bit
Motherboard
Gigabyte EP45-UD3LR
Memory
DDR2 2 x 2GB, 1GB x 2
Graphics Card(s)
XFX Radeon HD5750
Sound Card
AMD High Definition Audio; Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
iiyama prolite X2377HDS
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
500GB 7200 rpm Seagate ST3500413AS 16MB, 500GB 5400 rpm Toshiba MQ02ABF050H 32MB, 200GB 7200 rpm Seagate ST3200820AS 8MB, 2TB 7200 rpm Western Digital WD20EZRX 64MB
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Enermax Liberty Modular
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Antec P193 Midi Tower
Keyboard
Mionix ZIBAL 60
Mouse
Razer USB 2.0 Diamondback Mouse or Huion Graphics Tablet
Browser
Internet Explorer, Lunascape, Firefox, Opera, Avast Safezone
hi thanks

my 2x4 sticks are 1x crucial, and 1x samsung ram

the 2x8 sticks I bought were both samsung

using the speccy information program, both RAM's gave the following,

DRAM Frequency___________665.1 MHz
CAS# Latency (CL)_________9 clocks
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD)__9 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP)_______9 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS)__________24 clocks
Command Rate (CR)________1T

are there any other timings I should be checking? The BIOS in the Fujitsu A531 laptop I have has virtually no settings for the memory that I can see
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Fujitsu
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
i5
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD3000
Sound Card
Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
VX912
Hard Drives
SSD
They are probably DDR3 1333 Mhz. But they could be DDR3 1600Mhz running at 1333 Mhz. Check what the BIOS says, to be sure.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64, Vista x64, 8.1 smartphone
CPU
Intel E8400 65W 64-bit
Motherboard
Gigabyte EP45-UD3LR
Memory
DDR2 2 x 2GB, 1GB x 2
Graphics Card(s)
XFX Radeon HD5750
Sound Card
AMD High Definition Audio; Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
iiyama prolite X2377HDS
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
500GB 7200 rpm Seagate ST3500413AS 16MB, 500GB 5400 rpm Toshiba MQ02ABF050H 32MB, 200GB 7200 rpm Seagate ST3200820AS 8MB, 2TB 7200 rpm Western Digital WD20EZRX 64MB
PSU
Enermax Liberty Modular
Case
Antec P193 Midi Tower
Keyboard
Mionix ZIBAL 60
Mouse
Razer USB 2.0 Diamondback Mouse or Huion Graphics Tablet
Browser
Internet Explorer, Lunascape, Firefox, Opera, Avast Safezone
random input.....

- in your bios is (hopefully) a setting where you can dedicate video memory to graphics. Choose the largest setting.

- sometimes updating bios to the most current bios version will eliminate memory issues.

- we do not know your specs. It just says Fujitsu under system model. If I could change the world in only one way, I would change sevenforums so that it becomes impossible to even make a post without folks being forced to put in detailed specs. Me and the other geeks here draw way more insight on a problem when we know the full specs. Almost never does a new poster realize this. end of specs rant.

- you are in the top 1% of users when it comes to how many programs/windows/tabs you like to keep open. I agree with everyone who earlier said that 8GB is enough for most everyone. You are an exception.

- your slow "save as" issue might be a windows folder quirk that is unrelated to memory size or open programs.
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
diy
OS
Win7 pro x64
CPU
stock i7 7700k
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z270N-WIFI mini-ITX
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz
Graphics Card(s)
integrated Intel HD 630
Sound Card
onboard Realtek ALC1220
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two vertically mounted samsung 55" 4k un55mu8000
Screen Resolution
1920x1280
Hard Drives
256GB Samsung EVO 960 M.2 pci-e NVMe SSD
PSU
SilverStone Nightjar ST45NF 450Watt Fanless
Case
No case. Motherboard is mounted directly onto power supply
Cooling
Evercool low profile 815EP with Panaflow 12L fan at 7v
Keyboard
Ortek MCK-86 mini
Mouse
Belkin 5-button USB
Internet Speed
spectrum 400mbps
Download Portable for Windows, DOS.
Extract to a folder and run HWiNFO64.exe
It's a portable, doesn't need to be installed.

Under memory you'll find all the memory specs. Compare both, old and new.
 

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  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
just out of interest, in 2x4GB config, I have 7-7.5GB used out of 8GB
when I was running in 2x8GB config, it was using (exactly the same applic's open) about 12GB out of 16GB

windows 7 seems to eat up any RAM thrown at it? but in this case, it didn't actually improve it
Well there you go, you just figured it out yourself that you need minimum 12GB RAM for given load. At 8GB, you were starving your system. Browsers and websites are memory hog these days.

Your folder issue might just be because of too much files in one folder.
More RAM is certainly not the issue and even benchmark is about same in dual channel configuration.

Give the system 16GB it deserves.
 

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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell XPS L702X
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64
CPU
Intel Core i7-2760QM
Motherboard
Intel HM67
Memory
Samsung 16GB DDR3 1333MHz
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia Geforce GT 555M
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Toshiba 1TB 5400RPM
Also lets not forget that 2nd Gen i5 can do this much only.

Updrade to 7th/8th Gen and you'll certainly see the difference.
 

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Laptop
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Dell XPS L702X
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Intel Core i7-2760QM
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Intel HM67
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Samsung 16GB DDR3 1333MHz
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia Geforce GT 555M
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Toshiba 1TB 5400RPM
Well there you go, you just figured it out yourself that you need minimum 12GB RAM for given load. At 8GB, you were starving your system. Browsers and websites are memory hog these days.

Your folder issue might just be because of too much files in one folder.
More RAM is certainly not the issue and even benchmark is about same in dual channel configuration.

Give the system 16GB it deserves.

- windows 7 seems to eat up any RAM thrown at it, but in this case, it didn't actually improve it.

something tells me that if I install 32GB RAM, it'll use up 20GB.

- Megahertz. thanks for the link. I'll run that utility with different RAM configs, when I reboot with different RAM configs.
 

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Laptop
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Fujitsu
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
i5
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD3000
Sound Card
Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
VX912
Hard Drives
SSD
- windows 7 seems to eat up any RAM thrown at it, but in this case, it didn't actually improve it.

something tells me that if I install 32GB RAM, it'll use up 20GB.

- Megahertz. thanks for the link. I'll run that utility with different RAM configs, when I reboot with different RAM configs.

In any intelligently designed operating system, within reasonable limits, the more memory you have, the more the OS will use. This is the way it should be. Windows, Linux, and Mac OSX have all done this for many years. Those limits are heavily dependent on the workload, which varies widely.

Any system with more than 90% memory usage has a serious shortage which will impair performance. At 94% usage, as shown in post #9, the system is starving for memory. Most of the remainder is not free but is in use and contributes to good performance. A memory gauge that showed as used this would be near 100% most of the time and would be neither useful or interesting.

The system memory manager will always try to maintain a reasonable balance between in use and available memory. Remember, available does not mean free. The higher the usage the harder the memory manager will have to work and the less satisfactory will be the results. I like to see available memory in the 50% range or better most of the time. Less and there will likely be some impairment of performance.

Post #9 shows heavy memory usage by the Firefox and Chrome browsers. And it is actually worse than that. The "Memory (Private working set)" column shown does not show the full memory usage of a process. Full usage is even higher.

More memory will improve overall system performance. Will it improve explorer performance with large folders? That is a different matter. You can't expect that a memory upgrade will eliminate all performance problems. That is not how things work in the real world. The NTFS file system has no problem with huge numbers of files but not so for Windows Explorer and most other file managers. What hurts performance in the details listing is the need to sort the display listing and Windows Explorer will always sort. The on disk file structure is not touched by this sorting, it is only for display purposes.

But it is much worse when showing thumbnails. Displaying the thumbnail requires reading it from the image file. If the image comes from a phone or digital camera a special thumbnail image will usually be present in the file and that will help a lot. Images from other sources may not have it. In that case the entire image file would need to be read and that takes time. This is particularly bad with a conventional drive, much better with an SSD. Windows Explorer will only read the thumbnails for images that are actually being displayed, not the entire list. These images will go into a thumbs.db cache file in the folder which helps a lot. But of course with a new folder this will not be present.
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
CPU
Xeon W3520
Memory
8 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia Geforce 210
Thumbs up for a lot of good points by @LMiller7

To OP: I would re-run your benchmarks but this time create a set of 45 open firefox tabs plus 25 open chrome tabs and have them open in the background when you run your benchmark.

Also regarding graphics, make sure you have 256MB or higher for dedicated graphics memory set in your bios.

To add onto LMiller7's point about a good operating system - windows is good at figuring out how to use up your memory in a good way, which leads to better performance than just leaving it empty. And the opposite is true of chrome and firefox. They hog everything they can and doing so degrades other programs.

For the fastest explorer experience do not use thumbnails and do not customize sort. The default sort is alphabetical and windows remembers that order so that even though the files are not alphabetical on the disk, if you always use the default sort of alphabetical you should get an instantaneous display of your files even when opening a large folder. OR maybe windows does not actually remember the alphabetical sort and just recomputes it so quickly it seems instantaneous - whatever, its still the fastest. Also set all folders to "general items" as their default view

Folder View - Set a Default for All Folders
 

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diy
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Win7 pro x64
CPU
stock i7 7700k
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Gigabyte Z270N-WIFI mini-ITX
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz
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integrated Intel HD 630
Sound Card
onboard Realtek ALC1220
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two vertically mounted samsung 55" 4k un55mu8000
Screen Resolution
1920x1280
Hard Drives
256GB Samsung EVO 960 M.2 pci-e NVMe SSD
PSU
SilverStone Nightjar ST45NF 450Watt Fanless
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Cooling
Evercool low profile 815EP with Panaflow 12L fan at 7v
Keyboard
Ortek MCK-86 mini
Mouse
Belkin 5-button USB
Internet Speed
spectrum 400mbps
For the fastest explorer experience do not use thumbnails and do not customize sort. The default sort is alphabetical and windows remembers that order so that even though the files are not alphabetical on the disk, if you always use the default sort of alphabetical you should get an instantaneous display of your files even when opening a large folder. OR maybe windows does not actually remember the alphabetical sort and just recomputes it so quickly it seems instantaneous - whatever, its still the fastest. Also set all folders to "general items" as their default view

Folder View - Set a Default for All Folders


When a program reads an NTFS folder list it will be in alphabetical order. This order is very critical to the file system operation. FAT file systems use the simple start at the beginning and look at each entry until you find what you looking for lookup method. NTFS uses a method more like the old number guessing game which is much faster for very large folders. But for this to work the order must be very predictable. This order is language and locale independent. As the users locale may have different rules about sort order the file manager will still have to go through the sort procedure. But since most sorting methods are very fast if the original order is close this should take little time.
 

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PC/Desktop
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HP
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
CPU
Xeon W3520
Memory
8 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia Geforce 210
To install 16G you'll have to replace your existing memory.

Open task manager on processes tab and, with the snipping tool take a snapshot and save the image file to your disk.
Click on the paper clip on the answer window - browse to the saved the image file - upload.

Thanks for the information:D
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell
OS
Window 7, 32 bit
right. hwinfo screenshots, with lots of numbers.

two numbers that I noticed,

Refresh Cycle Time tRFC: 8GB total - 107T. 16GB total - 174T

Minimum Refresh Recovery Time Delay tRFCmin: 8GB total - 160ns. 16GB total - 260ns

my Fujitsu Lifebook Bios really doesn't have a lot of settable options for memory, MHz speed, that's about it. both 8GB and 16GB running at 665MHz (DDR3-1333, running at the right speed)

I've been running 8GB for the past month, and it really didn't feel slow. it was digging into between 6 and 10 GB in the swap file. just rebooted and changed to 16GB config, and....yeah. it definitely doesn't feel faster.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Fujitsu
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
i5
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD3000
Sound Card
Realtek HD
Monitor(s) Displays
VX912
Hard Drives
SSD
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