Moving to win10 is not pleasant

JonDBee

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I am having almost unbelievable problems getting straightforward things to work on a large win10 desktop (installed straight off a Microsoft memory stick). None of the network discovery services were turned on, so an average user would have had to call in help to see their own LAN. The way that win10 associates file types with applications is shaky and inconsitent. Different parts of the OS don't seem to know of settings made elsewhere. I get the BSOD about once a day (compared with win7 - about once every 3 years).

All the time I am being pushed towards software I don't want (e.g. I use Office 2010 and I don't want to tangle with 365, I use Outlook and don't want their Mail, etc.). Most things you click on the taskbar throw up half a screen of clutter that I will never use. I am not in the least surprised that so many people are staying with win7. Also the more or less continuous drip feed of updates to the OS seems to introduce and remove changes at the will of who-knows. (Personally I feel this is near criminal as the poor customer just become timid, frightened and powerless.) Because of this, questions can't be answered of experts unless you know the whole archaeology of the OS and can quote the version to 5 or 6 figures accuracy.

Microsoft should have known that there is a vast number of win7 users out there, most of them very happy, and what do they do? Come along and peeve them by zeroing their productivity for months and making them feel like idiots.

Then we get told that win10 is new, but when I look at the names of the services, they all seem to be the same and do the same things. Who is kidding who?
Then we get told that security weaknesses will be the downfall of those who stay with win7. Where is the evidence? What is the difference between the 2 OSs, as evidenced? My antivirus traps malware and its secure shell for browsing sites where mistakes could matter also helps.


When I moved from XP to win7 in 2010 I was productive in hours. So far I have spent 2 weeks on win10 and I am still at the end of the beginning. I may yet put the win10 box up for sale.
Am I really missing any sort of point?
 

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If you did an update most of your setting would remain the same
 

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You may be interested in my post here.

I ran Windows 10 LTSC in VMware and even when it was LTSC there was a crap load of data going in and out of the NIC. There's got be at least 20 ASNs involved here. Just so you know what an ASN is, it's an Autonomous System Number which is a collection of CIDRs (pronounced cyder) for a telecommunications company, cloud serve, hoster, etc.

If you go here and lookup AS8068, you'll see all of the CIDRs related to that one ASN belonging to Microsoft. Take for example 13.107.202.0/24. That one CIDR has 256 hosts, yet that one ASN has a ton of CIDRs. Did I mention Win 10 uses at least 20 ASNs? LOL I wanted to use this link, but right now as of this post it isn't working. http://bgp.he.net/ BGP means Border Gateway Protocol.

Now in a virgin install of Window 7 and XP in VMware, I never saw any of that. For XP I just saw the Windows time IP reach out and in 7 I saw Windows time and a request to Akamai which is a cloud delivery network which Microsoft is apparently using and in the case of 7 it was used for a ping of sorts to let you know if your Internet is up or down. You know that little exclamation mark you might see in your Task Bar for the network adapter? That will show up if Win 7 can't ping Akamai. If it can't ping Akamai then it would be obvious you lack Internet connectivity or a firewall is blocking that ping to Akamai. So in XP and 7, between Windows time (I use NIST) and the Akamai ping with some local network stuff that's all I saw. Nothing like 10, not even an iota close to the sheer amount of crap going in and out of 10. Redmond made 10 like a damn "smart" phone!
 

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If you did an update most of your setting would remain the same


I've read and heard of the very opposite. In some cases perhaps, but not in all.
 

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If you did an update most of your setting would remain the same

Yep, I've done loads of upgrades and the settings all stayed the same, the scenario the OP is talking about is completely unfamiliar to me as a very experienced win10 upgrader.
 

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I've done plenty of clean installs as well as upgrades from Win 7 and have never encountered the issues the OP is seeing. I have seen that Network Discovery is turned off BUT the first time you click on "Network" in File Explorer, a message comes up stating that Network Discovery is turned off and gives you the option of turning it on. Very easy and no call for help is required.
 

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Built my first computer (8Mhz 8088cpu, 640K RAM, 20MB HDD, 2 360K floppy drives) in 1985 and have been building them for myself, relatives and friends ever since.
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I learned more than 5 years ago that Windows 10 was going to be the operating system of the future.

When it was released in July 2015, I clean installed it in one of my Windows 7 computers and begin the learning process how to use it.

As I became more and more proficient with it, I had 3 main goals after every clean install:
1. Get rid of all its useless bloatware.
2. Make numerous setting changes.
3. Set it up to look and function a lot like Windows 7.

I still prefer Windows 7 over Windows 10, but I try to use each operating system equally.

All of my full-time computers have 2 SSD's and are set up to dual boot both operating systems.
 

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That's probably a pretty good path to follow, though I am considering leaving win10 becaue it just strikes me as too high maintenance, and moving to a LINUX flavour for web and email work, and going back to winxx for the Office applications. I do a fair bit of large and complex document work with Word which I have a very very high opinion of.

Today's operating systems are still a long way from what they could be. They could have a unified object store visible to users that allowed similar treatment and alongside-visibility of such as documents and images, folders, emails and bookmarks, with an associative search facility to make most everything findable. In some ways I feel win7 is closer to that than win10. Frankly I feel that these developments will come from the open source community. After all, for really demanding work, business always turns to UNIX/LINUX. That's just my pennyworth.
 

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That's probably a pretty good path to follow, though I am considering leaving win10 becaue it just strikes me as too high maintenance, and moving to a LINUX flavour for web and email work, and going back to winxx for the Office applications. I do a fair bit of large and complex document work with Word which I have a very very high opinion of.

Today's operating systems are still a long way from what they could be. They could have a unified object store visible to users that allowed similar treatment and alongside-visibility of such as documents and images, folders, emails and bookmarks, with an associative search facility to make most everything findable. In some ways I feel win7 is closer to that than win10. Frankly I feel that these developments will come from the open source community. After all, for really demanding work, business always turns to UNIX/LINUX. That's just my pennyworth.




Ha Ha Ha

I have never seen a stable windows product of any kind, if it were a food blender or a Car, MS would have been sued out of existence decades ago.
 

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