Murdoch: illegal downloading is like stealing a handbag

[Dark Nova Gamer]

I wholeheartedly, honestly detest that argument.

Sincerely, Kari

You may detest the argument, but I agree with it. Apple aside, not everyone can afford to buy every application they want. Sometimes the free alternatives do not meet their needs either. I wonder how many GFX Team members here that use Photoshop actually purchased it.

I happen to like Porches. I cannot afford a new 911. According this logic, that makes it OK to go steal one? Well, I choose to drive a Ford truck that I can afford (it is paid for).

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

 

[Product FRED]

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

I totally agree with you. And I'm going to shave down this quote box because it's getting too big. Anyways, data is not a physical commodity. Different principles apply for different situations. Example? You have less rights inside a school than you do outside of one. If you're interested: New Jersey v. T. L. O. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Thorsen]

aw Carl you beat me to it. I was going to post a Stealing a Porche analogy...no really that was my first thought lol

Edit: why a porche I dont know, where's Freud when you need him?

 

[CarlTR6]

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

I totally agree with you. And I'm going to shave down this quote box because it's getting too big. Anyways, data is not a physical commodity. Different principles apply for different situations. Example? You have less rights inside a school than you do outside of one. If you're interested: New Jersey v. T. L. O. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pirating is stealing, period. The software/music/video is for sale. The owner/creator/artist did not give permission for someone to use the software/music/video for free. If one pirates it, one is stealing.

Fred, you have less rights in the military than you do as a civilian. I do not understand what you are trying to say and how that corresponds to piracy.

 

[CarlTR6]

I almost put Mercedes in reference to Janice Joplin! But I have owned a Porsche and wish I still did.

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Despite what others may think. Pirating a bit of software (which isn't a physical object might I add) IS different from stealing a Porche. Lets not try to make me look bad just because I'm defending my opinion.

I totally agree with you. And I'm going to shave down this quote box because it's getting too big. Anyways, data is not a physical commodity. Different principles apply for different situations. Example? You have less rights inside a school than you do outside of one. If you're interested: New Jersey v. T. L. O. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pirating is stealing, period. The software/music/video is for sale. The owner/creator/artist did not give permission for someone to use the software/music/video for free. If one pirates it, one is stealing.

Fred, you have less rights in the military than you do as a civilian. I do not understand what you are trying to say and how that corresponds to piracy.

I was not saying it wasn't stealing. I'm pointing out its less severe then lets say me going to the local Ford dealership and stealing the best car there. Comparing stealing a piece of software, and stealing a car is not really as accurate as you may think.

We could sit here and argue all day but all we'd be doing is wasting each others time.

 

[Product FRED]

^^ 100% agreed.

 

[dmex]

Steven, just to be sure I did not misunderstand: You agree that there are legitimate reasons for piracy?

I can understand just how pissed these artists feel about their hard work being pirated and stolen though.

I just found the project YAPM has been using MY bug reporting code from my project Process Hacker for over the last two months without giving me credits for my hard work! Boy am I pissed right now.

 

[RST101]

Slightly OT -- but for news you can use the BBC website for FREE and its probably better and more informed than any of the Murdoch stuff.

With regard to piracy -- I don't advocate it -- but like all these things there's ALWAYS a BUT.

Say I buy a DVD --to play on a Laptop --which IS designed for travelling.

Now I visit the USA quite regularly -- so why do I have to have the stupid regional encoding on a DVD (Reg 1 in the USA, 2 in Europe) which means that I can't play a DVD on the laptop if I buy a DVD while in the USA.

Of course I'll turn to "alternative sources" who've copied the DVD and made it Region 0 or Region Free.

A lot of the music / film people have shot themselves in the foot with their paranoia over copy protection. - In any case the tighter they say the algorithm is the more challenge it is for people to break it -- even though some of these hackers actually don't want to make money out of it - they are doing this just because they think they CAN do it.

On the bad side it encourages full scale commercial piracy - the profits of which go to enforce some of the more depraving activities of people's human nature.

Whilst not eliminating piracy in total a huge amount could be got rid of at a stroke by eliminating a lot of the unnecessary restrictions which plague digital entertainment.

After all Open Source software hasn't killed commercially developed software either - so opening up music / film products won't necessarily mean big losses for the producers -- sensibly priced products without huge playing restrictions will probably net them more profits than by continuing with the present policy of trying to police everything that moves.

Some digital music providers have actually discovered by allowing UNCOMPRESSED music format DRM free makes them MORE money than the old model ever did -- pity the "big players" can't see this too.

They've only themselves to blame -- and in any technological fight the "individual hackers" will always WIN over big corporations with their large management structures who can't change plans mid flight or get new hardware without going through endless management "strategy" and "planning" meetings -- the problem they are trying to solve will be obsolete even before it has finished the design stage.

Cheers

jimbo

Hallelujah.

 

[Thorsen]

Ouch sorry to hear dmex.

 

[madtownidiot]

By calling it piracy, what they're saying is illegal downloading is just as bad as armed robbery and murder at sea.. Can this whole thing get a little more ridiculous?

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

Lets take bets on how many posts before somebody gets banned or the thread gets locked

Only 6 pages in 10 hours, who won the bet? :shock:

 

[smsff7]

Lets take bets on how many posts before somebody gets banned or the thread gets locked

Only 6 pages in 10 hours, who won the bet? :shock:

Thread is still open so it is not over yet


Is it to late to throw a bet in?

 

[Kari]

Some of the most hardcore anti-piracy advocates I know are pirates turned coders, after they realize how much work they have to do to protect their intellectual property. A violent soccer hooligan (a big issue in Europe) joins the victims group and starts helping other victims after he's himself really bad beaten. We humans have an interesting ability to have and accept an affair when in partnership, until our partner is get caught doing the same, after what we start detesting his / her infidelity.

Really interesting in all of this is how we tend to think we have rights the others don't. Only one example: How often have I seen or heard when a graphics guru working with an unauthorized copy of whatever application to create nice graphics, goes berserk when somebody is using his pics unauthorized?

Kari

Edit:

By calling it piracy, what they're saying is illegal downloading is just as bad as armed robbery and murder at sea.. Can this whole thing get a little more ridiculous?

Not a very good metaphor. Stealing a hamburger from McDonald's is a criminal act but not even close as bad as murder or armed robbery. But it's still criminal activity.

 

[madtownidiot]

Some of the most hardcore anti-piracy advocates I know are pirates turned coders, after they realize how much work they have to do to protect their intellectual property. A violent soccer hooligan (a big issue in Europe) joins the victims group and starts helping other victims after he's himself really bad beaten. We humans have an interesting ability to have and accept an affair when in partnership, until our partner is get caught doing the same, after what we start detesting his / her infidelity.

Really interesting in all of this is how we tend to think we have rights the others don't. Only one example: How often have I seen or heard when a graphics guru working with an unauthorized copy of whatever application to create nice graphics, goes berserk when somebody is using his pics unauthorized?

Kari

Edit:

By calling it piracy, what they're saying is illegal downloading is just as bad as armed robbery and murder at sea.. Can this whole thing get a little more ridiculous?

Not a very good metaphor. Stealing a hamburger from McDonald's is a criminal act but not even close as bad as murder or armed robbery. But it's still criminal activity.

Then they shouldn't call it piracy.

 

[Frostmourne]

Who would steal from McDonalds? :sarc:

 

[DarkDavil]

James Murdoch: illegal downloading no different from stealing a handbag

News Corporation Europe and Asia chief calls for tough line on piracy, adding: 'They're not crazy kids. No. Punish them'

James Murdoch today called on governments to get tough on illegal downloading, which he said was no different from "going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag".

Murdoch, the chairman and chief executive of News Corporation's European and Asian operations, was joined in calling for tougher piracy measures at the Abu Dhabi Media Summit today by other media executives including Ari Emanuel, co-chief executive of William Morris Endeavor, the biggest Hollywood talent agency.

James Murdoch: illegal downloading no different from stealing a handbag | Media | guardian.co.uk

Isn't the what they say when your watcing the previews of a DVD? it has the all dramatic/loud music and its like: You wouldn't steal a tv, a handbag, a car, and then its like.... DUN DUN DUNNNNNN, Pirating Movies is Illegal!!

That thingy! Lol...

 

[Kari]

By calling it piracy, what they're saying is illegal downloading is just as bad as armed robbery and murder at sea.. Can this whole thing get a little more ridiculous?

Not a very good metaphor. Stealing a hamburger from McDonald's is a criminal act but not even close as bad as murder or armed robbery. But it's still criminal activity.

Then they shouldn't call it piracy.

That is incredible naive. But if you insist, let's stop calling it software piracy, and start calling it stealing. I'm OK with that.

Kari

 

[CarlTR6]

That is incredible naive. But if you insist, let's stop calling it software piracy, and start calling it stealing. I'm OK with that.
Kari

No argument from me.

 

[BWK]

IMO...I think that everything is overly priced. I do not agree with the prices that the pay/ charge for a movie/game. Even lets throw this into the mix the price a professional sports player gets paid in comparison to a heart surgeon. They are overly paid for said product, why is it that a pro sports player in the U.S. can get 20 million dollars for a 5 year contract and a heart surgeon will make less than half of that for saving a life? It is ridiculous and unfounded and instead of going to the game for $200 you can watch it in a local tavern for free. Is this a form of piracy?.
Reason 1 for piracy...why purchase a cd for all the music that is put on the cd when they as a group are only a 1 hit wonder and only have 1 good song on the entire cd and the producers know this? You have to purchase all 10 or so songs and be stuck with a lot of junk that you did not want...but also if you use something like I**** and purchase one said song...you have troubles placing what you purchased on your purchased item(mp3) player. There are a lot of issues I could get into and everyone knows them as well as I do. So like stated earlier why go and recruit the governments to do something about the self inflicted wounds that they brought upon themselves? I could bring up government backing but we all know that is illegal and still nothing done about it in today's political stand point!

It's all about POLITICAL CORRUPTION and who is willing to pay for it in today's society.