Murdoch: illegal downloading is like stealing a handbag

[macgyver2]

The only thing I have read that I feel I need to comment on is the car/software bit. Well I see it like this I steal a car I only make money from that car, I steal software I keep making money the more copies I make. So comparing the 2 is a little far fetched. Piracy goes beyond just stealing software or downloading movies for person use. Google can show you the $$$$$$ flow of pirated software and movies. This is what needs to stop and then prices will come back to what we want to pay.

 

[BWK]

I hope they don't start charging for the sneak peeks I take on the women that are dancing for someone else in a Gentleman's club for that dollar he is waving at her...if so I'm busted cuz they could probably bust me and a few fellow politicians in the same club for sneaking a peek for free.

 

[CarlTR6]

IMO...I think that everything is overly priced. I do not agree with the prices that the pay/ charge for a movie/game. Even lets throw this into the mix the price a professional sports player gets paid in comparison to a heart surgeon. They are overly paid for said product, why is it that a pro sports player in the U.S. can get 20 million dollars for a 5 year contract and a heart surgeon will make less than half of that for saving a life? It is ridiculous and unfounded and instead of going to the game for $200 you can watch it in a local tavern for free. Is this a form of piracy?.
Reason 1 for piracy...why purchase a cd for all the music that is put on the cd when they as a group are only a 1 hit wonder and only have 1 good song on the entire cd and the producers know this? You have to purchase all 10 or so songs and be stuck with a lot of junk that you did not want...but also if you use something like I**** and purchase one said song...you have troubles placing what you purchased on your purchased item(mp3) player. There are a lot of issues I could get into and everyone knows them as well as I do. So like stated earlier why go and recruit the governments to do something about the self inflicted wounds that they brought upon themselves? I could bring up government backing but we all know that is illegal and still nothing done about it in today's political stand point!

It's all about POLITICAL CORRUPTION and who is willing to pay for it in today's society.

Your logic is invalid; it omits the free market. I agree that sports figures are over paid. However, they are marketing a talent, an ability that may be good for ten years. If you think they are over paid, vote with your wallet. Don't go to games and don't watch the games on television. If people quit going to games and quit watching on television, revenues, ticket prices, and salaries will drop. That is the way the market works.

If DVD's are too expensive; don't buy them. If enough people vote with their wallets, prices will fall. It is called supply and demand. Yes I know there are other factors - monopolies, cartels, etc that enter the equation.

 

[BWK]

Could someone please explain PROFIT MARGINS?
I don't buy dvd's...no sense in it...It will be on tv sooner or later. I can DVR it and burn it from that. Music, same goes for that. Yes I understand everyone wants to make a buck in today's society...but to state that piracy is all about making money I do not believe it. Yes if there is something I want I buy it. If I want to try something on I do that...If I don't want it I don't buy or use... so how is my logic invalid... I am opt to an opinion just the same as you or anyone else in the matter. Why is it legal in some countries to do what we bitch about on this thread as piracy? And others see it as illegal? Where does government come in. This is a self inflicted wound that will not heal by bringing in the government...all that will do as we have all seen in the past is bring on an uprising of illegal activities...there is not BEST way to control it..if you don't believe me look at the activity in any given big city of illegal drug activity...how do they control it? By underhandedly working with it. You know as well as I do that the corruption in the law sector of today's society is what is keeping it from blowing out of proportion. Some look down on it...others look away!

 

[Product FRED]

I'm so close to hitting Unsubscribe

 

[BWK]

Do it! It's your choice.

 

[TimStitt]

If the government does this then everyone and their dog will be paying to protect these corporations interests at our expense, They already require restrictive DRM conten so what else do they want and what are they really after?

I couldn't agree more... well said!

 

[starwolf1336]

Trying to stop people from illegal downloading is like trying to stop smokers from throwing their cig butts out of the car window when they are done. Your not suppost to, but why not?

 

[Lordbob75]

This thread is really fun to read.

For my opinion, I think this whole thread is ridiculous. Not that I don't respect everyone's opinions (I do), its that no one will ever agree on this. I find it somewhat amusing that we continue to argue despite knowing full well that no one is going to change their beliefs.

~Lordbob

 

[smsff7]

The only thing I have read that I feel I need to comment on is the car/software bit. Well I see it like this I steal a car I only make money from that car, I steal software I keep making money the more copies I make. So comparing the 2 is a little far fetched. Piracy goes beyond just stealing software or downloading movies for person use. Google can show you the $$$$$$ flow of pirated software and movies. This is what needs to stop and then prices will come back to what we want to pay.

nope they will just make more money and find some new reason to bitch about why they are not making even more then that

 

[EvilOzzmess]

They did it to themselves, no sympathy. If they weren't so damn greedy, hyperinflating their prices more and more every single year, then maybe penniless kids wouldn't feel the need "steal" freely available warez. Especially true right now with everybody's money problems, where parent's cannot provide that shiny new game for their son or daughter no matter how much they would want to or not.

Honestly, they are targeting kids with all these new games, but turn around and charge an unbelievable $50 to $100 per game today, if not more (such as for the Sims 3 Series which cost roughly $60 per EP). It is unrealistic, and highly unsustainable for both parties. If they charged a fair $30, then everybody would be able to afford to actually buy what they want. But for right now, at these current obscene prices, more and more people are going to resort to piracy - that's kids, and adults alike.

And I don't advocate it at all, but what I am saying is that I can absolutely understand why so many people feel that they have to resort to this practice, especially now with the state of the economies all across the world. Many of such people even call it "even" because they figure they are making MORE than enough money off of the saps willing to pay an unbelieveable 260% increase on their products. And you know something? They're right!

Myself, I couldn't afford a $20 game right now, let alone a $60 one such as Sims 3 World Adventures! And you know something? If I knew I could get it, 100% working and virus-free, I would be very, very tempted to say the hell with it and click the big red download button. Sorry, but I'm just being painfully honest here.


So I guess what I am saying, if these companies really wanted to make more money, they should lower the prices to a realistically reasonable amount, and because they would actually make more money that way instead of coveting their products for more and more money over time. You have to give some to get some, and right now, these corporations aren't giving NOTHING, so they aren't GETTING nothing.

Think about it.

 

[Kari]

Myself, I couldn't afford a $20 game right now, let alone a $60 one such as Sims 3 World Adventures! And you know something? If I knew I could get it, 100% working and virus-free, I would be very, very tempted to say the hell with it and click the big red download button. Sorry, but I'm just being painfully honest here.

As so often in life, it's a question of personal choices.

Last line in your sys specs is a link to TigerDirect's website, giving the specs and the price of your laptop. According to that link, your rig costs over $700. Your specs also tell you have an extra display and HD, let's be modest and say they are only worth $100 together.

Here is a listing of Newegg's laptop page, price range $400 to $500. My point is, you have chosen to put unnecessary money on your rig. You could buy a nice laptop with Win7, plus a few of your favorite games with less what your current laptop costs. And still have money for a beer or two when you need refreshment after heavy gaming.

IMO, you can only blame yourself. You chose to buy a computer too expensive to you thus leaving no money for games.

Kari

 

[EvilOzzmess]

As so often in life, it's a question of personal choices.

Last line in your sys specs is a link to TigerDirect's website, giving the specs and the price of your laptop. According to that link, your rig costs over $700. Your specs also tell you have an extra display and HD, let's be modest and say they are only worth $100 together.

Here is a listing of Newegg's laptop page, price range $400 to $500. My point is, you have chosen to put unnecessary money on your rig. You could buy a nice laptop with Win7, plus a few of your favorite games with less what your current laptop costs. And still have money for a beer or two when you need refreshment after heavy gaming.

IMO, you can only blame yourself. You chose to buy a computer too expensive to you thus leaving no money for games.

Kari

I don't understand what that has to do with the original point of the topic? Yes, I admit it, I did splurge a little bit on myself with a nice computer, because I have NEVER had a nice computer before unlike many other, more privileged teens/young adults, and could actually, finally afford to get one - one I will be stuck with for MANY years from now - so instead of choosing a cheaper one I knew I wasn't going to be happy with, I chose one slightly more expensive which I knew I WAS going to be happy with for many years to come.

But, you assume I paid for the Notebook - which I did, partially. The other half was gifted to me by my mom as my Christmas present, we both only paid $399. The other of my measly $1,000 a year from Peak Season work at UPS was spent on necessities, like fixing my car and healthcare costs. The External HDD and Monitor were handmedowns from three years ago, and didn't cost me a cent.

None of that has any forbearance on my inability to spend top dollar on video games, that all goes to being laid off and being unable to secure a stable job due to the screwed up economy here in California. So sorry, but your points are entirely off-base given the fact that I DID only spend $400, as you're saying I should have!

 

[Kari]

EvilOzzmess, that does not change my point. I do believe you mom had given her xmas present also if you had chosen a computer from a lower price range, so you could have saved if you wanted. That was your choice, you rather had the more expensive computer knowing that doing so it would not allow you to buy a game or two.

Anyway, that is how this our world works. We make the choices. I buy only what I can afford, and if I can not afford it I don't even think about stealing it.

Kari

 

[EvilOzzmess]

EvilOzzmess, that does not change my point. I do believe you mom had given her xmas present also if you had chosen a computer from a lower price range, so you could have saved if you wanted. That was your choice, you rather had the more expensive computer knowing that doing so it would not allow you to buy a game or two.

Anyway, that is how this our world works. We make the choices. I buy only what I can afford, and if I can not afford it I don't even think about stealing it.

Kari

Ok, well, that's your opinion. But again, unlike many people, I don't buy a PC and turn around and junk it for another one in a year or two. I use them until they're run into the ground and barely work anymore, usually between six to ten years. So buy paying slightly more for a PC, with better specs which will prolong the productivity and overall life of the computer, I SAVE money in the long run.

On the other hand, it is MY opinion that companies are charging way too much for their products, and this is the root of the problem, and if they want the problem to stop, they have to look at THEMSELVES and not the people pirating, and then make some changes to make their consumers happy and thereby deter people from wanting or else needing to pirate. That was the original point, and it isn't even really opinion, but a pure fact. It is basic business. People react to something that you do, and so it is not the people's faults, but the corporation's faults for the problems they are having.

And for the record, I don't pirate either. I bought EA's outrageously overpriced Sims 3 because that is my one and only hobby. But as I've said again, I can understand WHY people decide to pirate if they can these days - not that I do it myself!

 

[Frostmourne]

2yrs my gaming PC will say goodbye either completely or partially through numerous upgrades.

 

[harry5]

Theft is theft

 

[Thorsen]

Agreed Harry5

 

[Frostmourne]

Theft is theft

Only if you're caught.

 

[darkdisturbed]

Well you won't be caught stealing any pirated software using my internet connection that's for sure. I don't do gaming and I only really use my Pc for internet, email and business applications and the prices that we pay down here Australia i must admit are bit over the line, but it's the right way.

ANd to the comment in regards "It's only stealing if you get caught" what a lot of horse towel! It's still stealing. Justifying the means in this case doesn't really fly.