Need Alternative for Zone Alarm

I have used Zone Alarm Security Suite for about ten years. Their yearly extention to keep the product current was only $9.95. Next year it will be $39.95 which is a pretty big jump. I am going to switch. Can some of you tell me a good product that would have Firewall, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, the works? Thanks,


If you haven't already seen this thread I suggest you check it out....

http://www.sevenforums.com/system-security/72070-whats-best-anti-virus.html

The Windows inbuilt firewall should be adequate. Combined with a router firewall even better.
 

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Typical of Comodo not to mention "Insight Protection, SONAR Protection, and Automatic Live Update were turned off" for Norton.

First, these tests were not run nor published by Comodo this is a completely independent report.

If you carefully read the the Testing Lab's explanations of their own testing procedures you will see that they set up NIS 2011 to get the very best possible performance on this series of tests otherwise NIS 2011 would have gotten even less than 42/100...

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Please excuse me for bringing these particular test results up but I had my System HOSTS file poisoned twice while using NIS 2009 and people keep telling me that NIS 2011 has improved, but I was shocked and disappointed to find out that this test showed that Norton 2011 still allows changes and redirection in the System HOSTS file.

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Disabling SONAR is disabling a big part of Norton's "zero-day" (what the test was for) protection. It uses some information from the web (apparently, why it was disabled) but it also functions without it (it's a behaviour blocker so what it uses from the web is very, very little compared to the rest).

No one is going to be downloading files from the internet (or obtaining and running them from another source) with SONAR (and Insight) disabled (otherwise, I suggest you do not use Norton). An unrealistic test for any (potential) Norton user.

Compare those results with: AV-Comparatives - Independent Tests of Anti-Virus Software - Whole Product Dynamic Tests
 
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Disabling SONAR is disabling a big part of Norton's "zero-day" (what the test was for) protection. It uses some information from the web (apparently, why it was disabled) but it also functions without it.

Could you possibly demonstrate how your knowledge these 100 tests that Norton 2011 only scored 42/100 on is greater than the security experts that invented and administered the test is because you are in effect saying that you know much more about the series of test that those who designed them?

Please don't obfuscate the point of these 100 tests with some blacklist Antivirus comparisons. This test is about a computer security system's ability to deal with Exploits because this a new Millennium and a whole new kind of Malware that 20+ year old Antivirus technology just can't deal with effectively on a zero-day security environment.

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For on-lookers: only 20 malware samples were used for the Matousec report; the report explains the possible 100 score.
some blacklist Antivirus comparisons
All the anti-viruses in the test have more than just a blacklisting technology. The malware may or may not be "zero-day", though, I've just realised.


Could you possibly demonstrate how your knowledge these 100 tests that Norton 2011 only scored 42/100 on is greater than the security experts that invented and administered the test is because you are in effect saying that you know much more about the series of test that those who designed them?
I doubt I know more than these 'experts'... but then again, I wouldn't conduct firewall tests against firewalls, HIPS and behaviour blockers and call the tests a "Firewall Challenge", then change the name to “Proactive Security Challenge” and add HIPS tests while continuing to test firewalls, HIPS and behaviour blockers even after vendors have requested for their products to be removed because they were not designed for the tests and makes their product look bad. I also wouldn't half test products (or nearly not at all!) and display the results as if they had been tested as fully as other products. There have been many disservices to the end user and developers, brought upon because of these 'experts'.

SONAR 3: A new level of behavioral security in Nor... - Norton Community

SONAR 2 - Norton Community
 
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These are legitimate and very simple tests to find out how well each Security Suite did when confronted with a set of 20 unknown viruses. This is not a specialized test just one that only the Security Suites with the best defenses against unknown viruses can prevail and not let the computer get infected, do damage and allow the virus to start again when the computer is restarted which is very common testing which the testing engineers did their best to prepare Norton 2011 for.

These days it is just simply not acceptable for a Security Suite not to be able to defend against unknown viruses and blaming the test or the people who fairly administered the test is not an excuse for a Security Suite that lets a computer get infected by unknown viruses.

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They turned off some key features of NIS to prevent issues with new virus definitions. What issues are they talking about. I am calling BS on these tests as they look like they were rigged. Hey NIS we crippled your product and you didn't do too good. Total BS.

NIS is at the top in other legitimate tests by reputable organizations.

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Disabling two technologies in a product that are designed to help protect against what is being tested is not that.
Typical of Comodo not to mention "Insight Protection, SONAR Protection, and Automatic Live Update were turned off" for Norton.

First, these tests were not run nor published by Comodo this is a completely independent report.
I'm aware of that. They did ask for the test and announce it, though.
do damage and allow the virus to start again when the computer is restarted
One of the things SONAR checks before the malware even runs. "Again, this allows us to even challenge the existence of the file as it becomes part of the system, by registering itself to the OS and its various applications. Hence a file can be classified as a malicious and convicted much before it ever runs on the system."
 
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Here is an interesting quote from the Matousec site.

The Recommendation column in the table contains links to the online stores or products' webpages of the vendors that we have affiliate agreements with. If you click on any of these links and then buy the target product or other product offered on the target webpage, we will profit from it. So, if you are going to buy a security software and you like our projects, you can help us! Even if you have the licence already, we can profit if you prolong the licence after you visit the vendor's website through our recommendation links.

So if you don't have an agreement to share the money you don't get a recommended score. Somthing smells on this site. Independent tests my a$$.

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They turned off some key features of NIS to prevent issues with new virus definitions. What issues are they talking about. I am calling BS on these tests as they look like they were rigged.

NIS is at the top in other legitimate tests by reputable organizations.

If you contact Matousec I am sure that they can explain in greater detail why they disabled parts of both NIS and CIS for these tests even though they already clearly have in great detail. Not everything that isn't a standard Malware detection evaluation is rigged and not every test that is as severe as dropping unknown Malware into a Security Suite to see what it does is BS.

The simple truth is that these tests drop mutually unknown viruses into each Security Suite and document the results. These tests have nothing whatsoever with detection but they have everything to do with how well a security suite can deal with Malware once detection is breached.

What could be unfair about finding out how well a Security Suite performs when the eventual piece of Malware gets through its detection? I think most people would like to know this kind of information.

You said "NIS is at the top in other legitimate tests by reputable organizations." Please don't confuse legitimacy with the type of testing that is done. I've seen Norton get over 99% in virus detection which is fantastic, but the way the Matousec Tests differ is that they find out how many layers of depth the Security Suite has by introducing Malware that the Security Suite does not recognize and document how it handles the situation and this is where Norton 2011 fails this kind of test, but a failing score is not bad news it points out a pathway to better computer security.

This kind of testing is very important because no detection is 100% accurate and a Security Suite should be able to handle any Malware and prevent it from harming the computer especially if it escapes the first line of detection. While I was running Norton 2009 for less than a year my computer was infected 3 times once by a Downloading Trojan and the System HOSTS file was infected twice. The Matousec Test results showed me that these kinds of System HOSTS file infections still occur in Norton 2011. This is sad to me because instead of denying the truth that there are problems that could be addressed Norton and the Norton faithful come out and blame the test as inaccurate instead of being honest and fixing the problem.

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Its also sad to see Norton ignore the problems that independent testing labs reports find which if corrected could make Norton a much better security product than they are now. I t really makes me wonder why Norton did not incorporate the very effective HIPS software that took their their wholly owned subsidiary PC Tools rocketing straight to the top of the Matousec Proactive Security Challenge??

Since leaving Norton over a year ago neither not one of my computers has had a detection of Malware or a System HOSTS file infection even though neither computer has an Antivirus because I run my browser in the virtual space of Sandboxie which is the first in many lines of Malware defense that pass Matousec's new hard core style of testing.

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MSE, Comodo Firewall with their DNS servers, SuperAntiSpyware and Mbam as a backup scanner...most importantly, common sense.
 

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You can try antivirus, firewalls by WatchGuard Technlogies. I use the same its much better than any other anti-virus.
 

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Its also sad to see Norton ignore the problems that independent testing labs reports find which if corrected could make Norton a much better security product than they are now. I t really makes me wonder why Norton did not incorporate the very effective HIPS software that took their their wholly owned subsidiary PC Tools rocketing straight to the top of the Matousec Proactive Security Challenge??
PC Tools scored well before the addition of most HIPS tests and as you should know, HIPS aren't understood by 99% of computer users, just like Comodo. PC Tools and Norton aren't fully tested. 29/34 products aren't fully tested :eek: :confused:.
These tests have nothing whatsoever with detection but they have everything to do with how well a security suite can deal with Malware once detection is breached.
Ergo, when SONAR (unless disabled), a behaviour blocker, comes into play.
 
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Getting back to OP:

Free AV: MSE and Avira are pretty popular
i use Norton 2011, free trial is available as someone mentioned.

DNS: ClearCloud or NortonDNS

Firewall: Defense Wall (or the one available in AV). Old favs like comodo are still there too.

on-demand scanners: malwarebytes is still popular but Hitman pro/Prevx/Dr. Web have been gaining steam. Norton Power Eraser is also an option. ALL have free options or just free.

Also, since your using win7, setting more aggressive EMET options (ASLR, SEHOP, DDEP) should be seriously researched/considered.

Browser specific: Firefox - noscript and cookiesafe (or ghostery if you dont want to deal with settings). WOT for site ratings (Many AVs include their own).

And updating your software, especially Java, any pdf viewer, flash is key since these are common attack vectors. Windows/IE/(other browsers)/Office shouldn't need to be mentioned.. hopefully.:sarc:
 

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