Solved Nero 10 incompatibility. Suggestions for equivalent software?

[poppa bear]

Solved: After installing Intel RAID Rapid Storage drivers on both my computers, which have SATA hard drives and burners, then Nero 7, 8, 10 and 11 all ran flawlessly on Vista and Windows 7.

RAID Rapid Storage provides improved performanace and reliability for systems equipped with SATA discs for desktop, mobile and server platforms.

I had been running Nero 8 on Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit on my old PC without any problems. After building a new PC with Intel i7 960 CPU, Intel DX58SO2 Extreme mobo, Corsair SSD SATA 3 Hard Drive ... suddenly Nero 8 would not work.

I thought I had solved the problem by running it in compatibility mode WinXP (SP2), and also switching off Windows burning software. However this was a temporary respite, with intermittent success ... and a lot of destroyed blank data discs.

I next tried Nero 10 Burning ROM Trial version with the latest updates. And this was a disaster. Problems included inability to load the program, (eventually solved); inability to run properly with burn failures causing unuseable discs, and BSODs. After 15 or more email exchanges with Nero tech support, including log reports, etc, I finally gave up on it. Nero said it was the wrong media, but I had tried several different brands and +/- R and RW.

The irony of it was that on the same: PC, mobo, burners, (same driver versions in burners), media, 3rd party software ... etc, etc ... Nero 10 Burning ROM ran flawlessly on Win XP Pro. So the conflict lay in Windows 10 Ultimate.

I have tried numerous other burning software but can't find one that can duplicate what is for me, an essential feature in Nero. I mainly burn data multisession +/-R DVDs. These discs are regularly updated. As distinct from drag/dropping folders or files from the desktop to the burning window profile, Nero allows files to be drag/dropped within the burning window profile between existing folders on an existing mulitsession disc.

When I am editing an existing multisession data DVD, with Nero I can create a new folder, and drag/drop existing folders from other locations on the disc into the new folder. Or if a file has been burnt in a wrong folder, I can drag/drop it into the correct existing folder. Or I can move files out of a folder to any other location on the disc.

On all the other software burners I have tried, the only way to do it is to delete the files in the wrong place and re-burn them into a new location, which is archaic compared to Nero.

My preferred other choice would be Roxio but don't know if it has this feature? My old Roxio does not which is why I went to Nero. Unfortunately I cannot find the option for a trial version of Roxio before buying and don't want to shell out the $$$ until I know it has this feature and will work on my system.

Can anyone help on this issue either with a simple freeware burner that allows existing multisession folders to be moved to other locations on the profile; or a retail brand that will do the same thing that I can trial before buying. Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is a major pain in the butt for me.

 

[Jacee]

Here's a list of alternatives Nero Burning Rom Alternatives and Similar Software - AlternativeTo.net

 

[poppa bear]

Here's a list of alternatives Nero Burning Rom Alternatives and Similar Software - AlternativeTo.net

Thanks for the input Jacee.

Among others I have already tried Ashampoo, ImgBurn, CDBurnerXP, Alcohol120%, Burnaware, and quite a few others, and none have the feature I'm after.

I was hoping someone might know from personal experience if Roxio has it. Or any other burner.

Strangley enough the closest I've come to success is with Nero 7 OEM essentials, but even with this, it's a lottery every time I do a burn ... success rate about 70%. Which means 3 out of 10 blank discs go in the bin.

 

[logicearth]

Windows 7 have a built in feature call Live File System. Basically, it lets you use a CD/DVD some what like a flash drive.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Which-CD-or-DVD-format-should-I-use#section_2

Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered disc formats

If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with the Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new format, called Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System format are often more convenient because you can copy selected files immediately and as often as you want, as if the disc were a floppy disc or USB flash drive. On the other hand, Live File System discs can’t be used in all computers and devices. Use this guide to understand the difference between Live File System and Mastered discs:
Discs formatted with the Live File System option:

• Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files to disc immediately without having to burn them.
• Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy files whenever the need arises.
• Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows.

Discs formatted with the Mastered option:

• Don’t copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn them all at once.
• Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such as a music CD.
• Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and DVD players.

 

[yowanvista]

Did you try removing Nero completely with Revo uninstaller then reinstalling it?

 

[Kipper]

As mentioned above, you should download and run the Nero Clean Tool for a clean uninstall.

If you still have imgburn on the system, post a screen of the "Filter Driver Load Order" under tools. You just might have some bad upper and lower filters on your system since you have been trying so many different burning softwares.

Roxio version 10 will give you all of the features of the latest Nero programs but I think that both Roxio and Nero are far to bloated and the majority of folks will never use all of the features available.

 

[Ponmayilal]

+1 for the above. I think that your installation of Nero10 was somehow screwed up. The fact is that many had experienced problems while installing and after, all due to an improper installation.

Clean your Nero Install using Nero Clean tool to remove it completely.

Download and install the full version of .netframework4. ( Do not allow Nero10 to install it for you. This seems to have created problems for many,IMO) If you had already installed may be a cleanup to remove all traces of it is desirable.

The aim is to start with a clean slate, install .net4 on your own steam and then install Nero10

In all probability, this should clear up your problem. Do not give up easily.

 

[Commodore Pet]

I like Ashampoo Burning Studio 10. I have had no issues with it on 64 bit Windows 7.

 

[Mark Phelps]

I'm running Nero 9 under Win7 and it works without problems.

I downloaded and started to install the trial for Nero 10 -- and was presented with a huge list of stuff it wanted to install! I killed off the installation. And, since I regularly do image backups before such experiments, I restored from backup and all is OK again.

Perhaps is not Nero 10 -- but the other things it installed that are the problem.

 

[poppa bear]

Thank you all for your input.

1. logicearth

Windows 7 have a built in feature call Live File System. Basically, it lets you use a CD/DVD some what like a flash drive.

Yes, I was aware of this, but I want a data disc that cannot be accidentally deleted or edited except through a burning program.

2. yowanvist

Did you try removing Nero completely with Revo uninstaller then reinstalling it?

Yes, I always use Revo Uninstaller to remove programs, including registry entries and left over files, etc.

3. Kipper

As mentioned above, you should download and run the Nero Clean Tool for a clean uninstall. If you still have imgburn on the system, post a screen of the "Filter Driver Load Order" under tools.

I did use Nero Clean Tool as instructed by Nero techos. I also did follow up manual cleaning as directed by Nero for files from older versions of Nero that Nero Clean Tool won't pick up. These included checks for Ahead and Nero in:

Program files
Program Files > Common Files
AppData > Local > Temp
Registry: HKEY_LOCAL_USER > Software
Registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > Software

I don't have imgBurn on my system - unistalled with Revo.

4. Ponmayilal

Download and install the full version of .netframework4.

Now that is something I have not tried, and will do so. I can load a pristine Acronis image of my OS with Nero 8 OEM installed which I'll remove with Revo Uninstaller; then check with Nero Clean Tool; and finally use the manual clean steps suggested by Nero techos.

5. Commodore Pet

I like Ashampoo Burning Studio 10. I have had no issues with it on 64 bit Windows 7.

I have no grievances with Ashampoo except that it did not have the option mentioned in my first post:

As distinct from drag/dropping folders or files from the desktop to the burning window profile, Nero allows files to be drag/dropped within the burning window profile between existing folders on an existing mulitsession disc.

That was the whole point of the post. To find a burning software that has this option.

6. Mark Phelps

And, since I regularly do image backups before such experiments, I restored from backup and all is OK again.

I also do Acronis clean install images as mentioned above in Item 4. It's not a case of getting my system back to clean install condition, but of getting Nero 10 to run properly; or finding alternative software that has the option to edit files inside the burn window profile.

I don't have Nero 9.

In summary, out of all of that, the only thing I can really try is the susggestion by Ponmayilal to:

• Do a restore pristine Acronis image.
• Uninstall Nero 8 with Revo Uninstaller and check with Nero Clean Tool and manual search.
• Install NetFramework 4
• Try a clean install of Nero 10 Burning ROM Trial.

Thaks all. PB

 

[poppa bear]

Update

I reinstalled a fresh copy of Windows 7 from an Acronis back-up image, which contained Nero 8. Removed Nero 8 using Revo Uninstaller, checked with Nero Clean Tool, and manually removed any remaining files/registry entries for Ahead or Nero.

Acting on advice from Ponmayilal installed NetFramework 4 and updates for it from Windows updater. Then successfully installed Nero 10 Burning ROM Trial version, and got all available updates for it.

End result: Nero ran but would not burn a new session to an existing multisession DVD or a new multisession to a blank DVD disc. Turned off Windows Burning Software and got same result. Ran Nero in compatibility mode for WinXP (Service Pack2) and same result. Finally turned off Avast anti-spy and Zone Alarm, and same old, same old.

As a work around: Formatted a blank +R DVD disc in UDF format using Windows Burning software. Tried to burn a new multisession on the formatted disc using Nero and selecting UDF ROM format. Once again no go.

Then burned a file to the formatted disc using Windows Burning software. Now ran disc with Nero and successfully burned a multisession UDF ROM. Now ran a new session on same disc in ISO Joliet format and let Nero change the disc format and it worked.

This seemed to kick start Nero and I was then able to perform all Nero functions on both burners at will.

Sad to say, success was short lived. At next restart of PC, all attempts to burn failed.

Think it's time to go back to plan A.

So ...

1. Can anyone tell me definitively if Roxio will allow files to be edited and moved between folders in the burn preview profile? Version 9 cannot do it.

2. Does anyone know of any other alternative software that has capability to do this?

Cheers PB

 

[logicearth]

Thank you all for your input.

1. logicearth

Windows 7 have a built in feature call Live File System. Basically, it lets you use a CD/DVD some what like a flash drive.

Yes, I was aware of this, but I want a data disc that cannot be accidentally deleted or edited except through a burning program.

But it does do what you want does it not? And it does work does it not? Furthermore, how do you delete a file that cannot be deleted only hidden? I bet the file can easily be recovered or maybe you should just take care not to accidentally delete things? Just a thought.

Or could skip all this and just get a flash drive. They are super cheap these days. Seems to me instead of making things simple, you rather make them complex and unwieldy.

 

[Layback Bear]

First I want to be fair. I never did like Nero, to much B/S to do simple tasks. Thumbs up logicearth. Try this site and see if there are any players you haven't tried that you might like.
Gizmos Freeware Reviews

 

[poppa bear]

Thank you all for your input.

1. logicearth

Windows 7 have a built in feature call Live File System. Basically, it lets you use a CD/DVD some what like a flash drive.

Yes, I was aware of this, but I want a data disc that cannot be accidentally deleted or edited except through a burning program.

But it does do what you want does it not? And it does work does it not? Furthermore, how do you delete a file that cannot be deleted only hidden? I bet the file can easily be recovered or maybe you should just take care not to accidentally delete things? Just a thought.

Or could skip all this and just get a flash drive. They are super cheap these days. Seems to me instead of making things simple, you rather make them complex and unwieldy.

So I take it your answer to my question is: No, you don't know of any other burning software that burns permanent data DVDS that allows editing in the pre-burn window profile?

 

[poppa bear]

First I want to be fair. I never did like Nero, to much B/S to do simple tasks. Thumbs up logicearth. Try this site and see if there are any players you haven't tried that you might like.
Gizmos Freeware Reviews

Thanks for your constructive reply. Will check it out. Like yourself, I agree Nero has become bloatware. But their Burning ROM is dedicated purely to burning, and gives the most options in this respect. Strangely enough Nero Burning ROM 10 Trial has done 10 perfect burns straight on different discs today. Go figure!

 

[logicearth]

So I take it your answer to my question is: No, you don't know of any other burning software that burns permanent data DVDS that allows editing in the pre-burn window profile?

You mean other then the one built into Windows since Windows Vista? Why would I look for an alternative if the one in Windows does what you need? Permanent data in an editable state, it satisfies that need of yours.

Again I'll ask, it does do what you want does it not? And it does work does it not?

 

[poppa bear]

So I take it your answer to my question is: No, you don't know of any other burning software that burns permanent data DVDS that allows editing in the pre-burn window profile?

You mean other then the one built into Windows since Windows Vista? Why would I look for an alternative if the one in Windows does what you need? Permanent data in an editable state, it satisfies that need of yours.

Again I'll ask, it does do what you want does it not? And it does work does it not?

No it does not do what I want. And I didn't ask you WHY you would look ... I asked IF anyone knew! I was not interested in debating my rationale for wanting this type of burning software ... only for info that would give me what I wanted. I mean do you explain what color socks you wear or type or brand, when all you want to know is where to get them ... if they exist. Get it!

As I said in my first reply to you:

Yes, I was aware of this, but I want a data disc that cannot be accidentally deleted or edited except through a burning program.

When a UDF DVD disc burnt by Windows Burning Software as a flash drive type format is opened on the desktop it can be deleted/edited accidentally without going through a burning program like Nero. That's not acceptable for my purposes.

The other option offered by Windows Burning Software is a straight data burn which cannot be edited as a multisession disc. Files cannot be deleted or amended ... which is hopeless as I move files around constantly in further multisession burns and Nero can re-address the source address without having to delete the original folder/file and re-burn it. I also need to be able to delete folders/files.

You've obviously never had the experience of losing 5 years of tax files from a flash drive that's failed ... FUBAH; or ditto for an external Hard Drive. My experience is that finalized +/-R DVD discs are the safest form of archived data for the average citizen.

End of discussion from this end, unless as I originally asked, you can point me towards software that does what I want!

 

[logicearth]

Have fun then.

 

[poppa bear]

Have fun then.

Thanks anyway, but I wasn't really looking to have fun ... just a source for the software I want.

ps: As a point of interest, I already use Windows burning software to burn all my data onto DVD discs burnt in UDF format as flash drives on a daily basis. Then once a fortnight I burn all the new data onto what I call a "hard copy" DVD burnt as thro Nero, which is tamper proof.

 

[poppa bear]

Rapid storage

Although I never found an equivalent burning software to Nero, which inlcuded editing/moving folders/files in the pre-burn window for multi-session burns; verifying data after burning; and protecting the burnt disc as it could only be changed through Nero ... however, I did find a solution to successfully running Nero 8, 10 & 11 on Vista and Windows 7.

The problem of inconsistencies went as far back as Vista several years ago. And was related to SATA hard drives and burners.

I had never loaded RAID Rapid Storage drivers as I was told they weren't necessary if you weren't usnig RAID. However, I noticed on a friend's PC that RAID Rapid Storage provides improved performanace and reliability for systems equipped with SATA discs for desktop, mobile and server platforms.

After installing RAID Rapid Storage on both my computers, which have SATA hard drives and burners, then Nero 7, 8, 10 and 11 all ran flawlessly on Vista and Windows 7.

I hope this information may help anyone else who has similar problems with Nero on Vista or Windows 7. It's not a compatibility issue, just the need for RAID Rapid Storage drivers.