New laptop

[jessejw]

I am looking to buy a new laptop because my mom took over my old laptop and I would like one that I can take with me everywhere I go. I have seen a nice one, but I didn't look for long so I'm not sure what is that good



Newegg.com - Open Box: TOSHIBA Qosmio X505-Q888 NoteBook Intel Core i7 740QM(1.73GHz) 18.4" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 7200rpm BD Combo NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M



I'm looking for a big screen, but not too big, windows 7, good amount of HD space, and 2-3gb of ram

 

[Here To Help]

HP ProBook they are the best you can buy. Very solid computers. I would stay away from moble nvidia cards because the do not have a good history of lasting. Look up nvida on wiki and go to the bottom of the page. Also stay away from a large screen. If you want a big sreen buy a desktop. The only thing you are doing is making the laptop (which was never designed to drive a nearly 19 inch screen as the one you where looking at) work harder then it should shorting the battery life and the life of the computer its self. The HP Pro Books have great driver and firmwear suport and the hardware inside them is great. As you can get a 4GB * 2 DDR 3 set on newegg for $79.99 on sale. All I say is that save your money and buy something that will last. Also be sure if you want 8gb of ram that the Pro book if you choose so is a 64 bit os which both these are.

HP ProBook AMD Phenom II Quad-Core P940

Newegg.com - HP ProBook 4525s (XT963UT#ABA) NoteBook AMD Phenom II Quad-Core P940(1.7GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250

AMD Turion II Dual-Core P540

Newegg.com - HP ProBook 4525s (XT951UT#ABA) NoteBook AMD Turion II Dual-Core P540(2.4GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 320GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250

 

[jessejw]

HP ProBook they are the best you can buy. Very solid computers. I would stay away from moble nvidia cards because the do not have a good history of lasting. Look up nvida on wiki and go to the bottom of the page. Also stay away from a large screen. If you want a big sreen buy a desktop. The only thing you are doing is making the laptop (which was never designed to drive a nearly 19 inch screen as the one you where looking at) work harder then it should shorting the battery life and the life of the computer its self. The HP Pro Books have great driver and firmwear suport and the hardware inside them is great. As you can get a 4GB * 2 DDR 3 set on newegg for $79.99 on sale. All I say is that save your money and buy something that will last. Also be sure if you want 8gb of ram that the Pro book if you choose so is a 64 bit os which both these are.

HP ProBook AMD Phenom II Quad-Core P940

Newegg.com - HP ProBook 4525s (XT963UT#ABA) NoteBook AMD Phenom II Quad-Core P940(1.7GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250

AMD Turion II Dual-Core P540

Newegg.com - HP ProBook 4525s (XT951UT#ABA) NoteBook AMD Turion II Dual-Core P540(2.4GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 320GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250

Thanks for the information. Both of these computers look great, but I've never used 64bit how is the compatibility with programs?



Is it a big change from 32bit?

 

[Here To Help]

Great compatibility as long as you are running programs from windows 95 and up you chould see no problems. Also never use the 64 bit web browsers since there are masive security holes in them. I have been buying HP Pro Books and HP Elites (over $1800) for years both for work and for home use. The quad core will last longer for you. I still have one from 5 years ago and it is still my main laptop (I have a HP Mini 110-1030nr and HP Mini 501 for traveling and for my parrents).

 

[jessejw]

Great compatibility as long as you are running programs from windows 95 and up you chould see no problems. Also never use the 64 bit web browsers since there are masive security holes in them. I have been buying HP Pro Books and HP Elites (over $1800) for years both for work and for home use. The quad core will last longer for you. I still have one from 5 years ago and it is still my main laptop (I have a HP Mini 110-1030nr and HP Mini 501 for traveling and for my parrents).

Ok I think I'm going to get this one.
Newegg.com - HP ProBook 4525s (XT963UT#ABA) NoteBook AMD Phenom II Quad-Core P940(1.7GHz) 15.6" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250

It says it has 4GB of RAM how much RAM can you have on 64bit, and do you think I should put more, also is one of those things with the fans that you put the laptop on top of good to have?

 

[James Colbert]

Also never use the 64 bit web browsers since there are masive security holes in them.

I assume you mean IE 64...to what security holes are you referring?

James

 

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Yea, the lap fans are good. But I think you sould be ok unless the temps are realy high which I have never seen in the pro books. Like I said before they are diffrent on the inside then a standard laptop.

Windows Pro x64 supports 128 GB of ram. I am not 100% positive but this ram should work. I realy like corsair and gskill if i'm on a bugget. Corsair has a life time replacement program. If you thing you might need it then buy it. As time passes bye the cost will go up and for $91 its not bad. However you will need to keep the old ram untill after the HP warenty is up. After that sell the old sticks. If something needs to be fixed you will need to send in the laptop with the OEM ram that came with the laptop.

CORSAIR 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1333 Laptop Memory Model CMSO8GX3M2A1333C9

Newegg.com - CORSAIR 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1333 Laptop Memory Model CMSO8GX3M2A1333C9

 

[Golden]

Also never use the 64 bit web browsers since there are masive security holes in them

Eh? Exactly what massive security "holes" are you reffering to?

 

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Trojan attacks mostly and some fraudulent websites such as faking a financial institutions website such as a bank. I looked into these problems at work where so of the users have windows 7 (About 80% now) where they all like to use the newest and greatest thing. Where firewalls that windows run or any anti virus firewall stop these intrusions before they are embedded on your computer none support 64 bit browsers. It does not matter what program that you use it appears. One user’s computer got a virus off a website that we use a lot at work no one else got this virus but this user. Well after removing this virus several times in one day we went through each website until the virus reappeared. I then went to my computer and opened two different browsers that where 64 bit and got the virus on my computer after that we disabled all 64 bit web browsers. This is just one case and I have seen this at least 5 times at my job. I had the same thing happen to me at home and now I stay away from them.
If you read the fine print on almost all of the major firewall companies they do not support 64 bit browsers at all. They barely support 64 bit. Even Microsoft support of 64 bit is sometimes nonexistent. I know that for the most part 64 bit browsers are new but with the problems I have seen I think I can say that they have major security flaws.

 

[Krispy1]

looks like a good laptop though a 18.4 inch screen doesnt really fit the bill of "one that I can take with me everywhere I go"

they are sold out now btw

 

[James Colbert]

If you read the fine print on almost all of the major firewall companies they do not support 64 bit browsers at all. They barely support 64 bit. Even Microsoft support of 64 bit is sometimes nonexistent. I know that for the most part 64 bit browsers are new but with the problems I have seen I think I can say that they have major security flaws.

I must say that I'm skeptical of your observations, since they seem to be based solely on personal experience. I had hoped that your response might contain some reliable, independent corroborative links.

64 bit browsers are not all that new, and Windows Firewall does support 64 bit, as does MSE and many other AV programs and firewalls. One software that doesn't support 64 bit is Flash, but that's a plus from a security viewpoint.

Perhaps someone will come along with information that will validate you and educate me. I'm always happy to be educated, even if in the process of being proven wrong. Still, I find it curious that a web site your company uses 'a lot' infected several of your company systems. Had this occurred at my company, I would be looking into system security and that of the sites frequented.

James

 

[Golden]

My view is that prevention of trojans and phishing sites are not the responsibility of the browser. Fact : you are just as susceptible to trojans and or phishing in a x86 browser than a x64 browser. Perhaps even more so, since the majority of people still use x86 based browsers and so there is a proliferation of nefarious ActiveX and other plugins that just do not work under x64 (as James mentions above).

As for non-compatibility of x64 firewalls, you can have a look at these two lists to find AV suites (many bundle firewalls with their products) and other anti-malware products that are indeed x64 compatible:

Windows 7 Compatibility for Security: Firewall & Internet Security Software Programs: Download Software Updates

List of products - www.matousec.com

So, Im not sure where you get your information from. Would you care you provide some references?

Perhaps with that one problematic user you had, you can check to see whether UAC was turned off. Its well known, but seemingly not well remembered, that when UAC is turned off, then IE does NOT operate in Protected Mode -- both x86 and x64 IE browsers.

Regards,
Golden

 

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/03/protected_mode_bypass/

Thats one example that could be why I saw what I saw.At work we use norton internet security on all of our systems. Also I am unaware of any support for any 64 bit browsers from any anti virus programs. If there is please tell me.

I wish I could give your more links. I like having a good discussion. I admit I could be wrong and I could have seen something that may never happen again.

 

[Golden]

Hi,

In terms of support for x64 based anti-virus, anti-malware and firewalls, here are a few options:

Windows 7 Compatibility for Security: Firewall & Internet Security Software Programs: Download Software Updates

The browser side had me intrigued, and so I dug around a bit. You are absolutely correct : NIS does not offer any security for IE8 x64. See:

IE8 x64 Browser Protection using NIS2011 - Norton Community

There seems to be a push to get it implemented here:

Supporting 64-bit browsers - Page 2 - Norton Community

I was quite suprised by that, so well done on pointing that out. I wonder what the situation is with other browser protection suites that operaate oustide of a sandbox?

Out of interest, is there any reason you choose not to use the x86 (32 bit version of IE) given your concerns about the x64 version?

Regards,
Golden

 

[Here To Help]

The people I work with alway want to use the newest and greatest thing as I said before. We alow are users to use what web browser that they chose. Howere after this had happened we made it A rule for are users not to use any x64 bit browsers until we said that they were ok. Which could be a long time. From a IT end of things it sucks.