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Looking to get a new PSU & would like some advice on these:

Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 500W - Model: RS500-PCARD3-US
Corsair Builder Series 500W - Model: CX500
Corsair CX Series 500W Modular - Model: CX500M
Thermaltake 500W Power Supply - Model: TR-500

I did calculations & 500W is more that enough concerning the hardware I have.
Light-to-medium game play (mostly puzzels, some older FPS's)
Light-to-medium photoshop work
Mostly documents writing/reading & web surfing
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self built comfuser
OS
10 Pro. 64Bit
CPU
AMD FX 4100, 4-Core Black Edition. Socket AM3+ ~ 3.60GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0
Memory
2x 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-1866 (PC3-14900) - 8GB Total
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD 6670-2GD3
Sound Card
Onboard High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 2009m LCD
Screen Resolution
1600x900, True Color (32bit), 60Hertz
Hard Drives
WD Blue - 1TB, 3D NAND - SATA SSD
PSU
XFX Pro 450W Core Edition - Fully Wired
Case
Antec Super Lanboy
Cooling
Stock CPU fan + 2 (1 front, 1 back) 120mm Antec fans
Keyboard
Logitech MK700/MK710
Mouse
Logitech M705
Internet Speed
Frontier FiOS 50/50
Antivirus
Windows Security
Browser
Vivaldi
Other Info
1x ASUS DRW-24B1ST Multi-DVD Rewriter
1x RocketFish AIO Media Card Reader
1x WD 1TB Passport USB External Drive
The "best" one in the list is the CX500, but it's not all that good. It's overpriced for what you get (most of Corsair's PSUs are overpriced these days). It's essentially a cheaply-made Corsair PSU.

Do these PSUs represent what your budget is? Can you order from Newegg?

Also, is this for your rig? Does it still have just one 6670 in it? If so, then you could get SeaSonic's 360W G Series and still have extra power left over for lots of comfort.

Finally, will you always have one video card? If so, then will you ever be able to afford higher-end video cards that usually cost $300-$500? If you'll have two, then what two might you get?
 

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I would stay away from the Thermaltakes.

I had three of them crap out on my customers in less than a year of use.

Whatever you buy, get one with an 80+ rating, and at least "bronze".
The psu is one item you don't want to get cheap on. And always, get one with at least 25%-30% more capacity than you need.
 

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8 home-builds from the 80's into 2004
OS
W7 Home Premium 32bit
It is if it's Antec, Corsair, or Seasonic.
 

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8 home-builds from the 80's into 2004
OS
W7 Home Premium 32bit
These are the prices I've found on Newegg & TigerDirect

Newegg:
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus CX500 - $44.99 + Free Shipping
Corsair Builder Series CX500 - $59.99 + Free Shipping
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Tiger Direct:
Thermaltake TR-500 - $39.99 + $6.83 Shipping
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus CX500 - $47.99 + $5.92 Shipping
Corsair CX500 - $69.99 + $6.83 Shipping
Corsair CX500M - $69.99 + $6.51 Shipping

I was thinking of the 500s just for room in the future just in case something comes up.
I'd like to stay w/in these price ranges but may be able to squeeze a little more if needed.
Same specs except that I upgraded to the Kingston HyperX 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 (PC3-12800) Dual Channel Kit.
It's highly likely I'll stick w/the 6670 card I have now for some time, don't believe I'll ever buy a card over $200.00 & will not be getting 2 cards anytime in the future.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self built comfuser
OS
10 Pro. 64Bit
CPU
AMD FX 4100, 4-Core Black Edition. Socket AM3+ ~ 3.60GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0
Memory
2x 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-1866 (PC3-14900) - 8GB Total
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD 6670-2GD3
Sound Card
Onboard High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 2009m LCD
Screen Resolution
1600x900, True Color (32bit), 60Hertz
Hard Drives
WD Blue - 1TB, 3D NAND - SATA SSD
PSU
XFX Pro 450W Core Edition - Fully Wired
Case
Antec Super Lanboy
Cooling
Stock CPU fan + 2 (1 front, 1 back) 120mm Antec fans
Keyboard
Logitech MK700/MK710
Mouse
Logitech M705
Internet Speed
Frontier FiOS 50/50
Antivirus
Windows Security
Browser
Vivaldi
Other Info
1x ASUS DRW-24B1ST Multi-DVD Rewriter
1x RocketFish AIO Media Card Reader
1x WD 1TB Passport USB External Drive
These are the prices I've found on Newegg & TigerDirect

Newegg:
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus CX500 - $44.99 + Free Shipping
Corsair Builder Series CX500 - $59.99 + Free Shipping
-------------------------
Tiger Direct:
Thermaltake TR-500 - $39.99 + $6.83 Shipping
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus CX500 - $47.99 + $5.92 Shipping
Corsair CX500 - $69.99 + $6.83 Shipping
Corsair CX500M - $69.99 + $6.51 Shipping

I was thinking of the 500s just for room in the future just in case something comes up.
I'd like to stay w/in these price ranges but may be able to squeeze a little more if needed.
Same specs except that I upgraded to the Kingston HyperX 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 (PC3-12800) Dual Channel Kit.
It's highly likely I'll stick w/the 6670 card I have now for some time, don't believe I'll ever buy a card over $200.00 & will not be getting 2 cards anytime in the future.

Oh then I recommend the 450W Pro Series Core Edition because it's better than the CX500 and it is $59.99 shipped as well, but $49.99 after the rebate card (well, once you spend it all):

XFX ProSeries P1-450S-X2B9 450W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Core Edition V2 Full Wired Power Supply - Newegg.com

This will last "forever" if you will never get any video cards that cost more than ~$200, especially since you'll always have one video card.

Not only that, but each new generation of GPUs and CPUs requires less power than the previous.
 

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Not every PSU that has a good 80+ rating is a good PSU.

But I doubt you'd recommend something that DIDN'T have an 80+ rating or better...
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
Lol, oh really? Efficiency is marketing hype?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
Do you recommend PSU's that aren't at least 80+ or better?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
Do you recommend PSU's that aren't at least 80+ or better?

I don't judge PSUs by the 80+ Certification because it's about as useful as judging them by the color of the paint. ;)

I recommend that you read those two articles. That's why I linked to them.
 

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The question remains, would you recommend a PSU that wasn't 80+ rated or better?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
The question remains, would you recommend a PSU that wasn't 80+ rated or better?

These days, the chances are almost 100% that the PSUs that can be safely recommended are about 80+ Bronze or better. However, that doesn't mean I am looking at the 80+ Certification, nor does it mean that I recommend that people judge PSUs by the 80+ Certification. So not only that, it also doesn't mean that one can say, "...well then it's safe to buy a PSU if it has the 80+ Bronze certification or better". No, that's almost like saying it's safe to buy any PSU that has a very nice appearance to it. Sort of. I mean, that's a bad example because not every PSU that's safe to recommend has a "very nice appearance" to it, but you get the idea.
 

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Another reason I was looking at the 500s, they're close to the same price range as the
XFX ProSeries P1-450S-X2B9 450W.
I know getting less power than recommended would be bad, but does the same go for getting too much power?

A friend of mine mentioned that this one would be a good fit as well:
Antec EA-500 Green 500W

Are the modular PSUs actually good/just hype?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self built comfuser
OS
10 Pro. 64Bit
CPU
AMD FX 4100, 4-Core Black Edition. Socket AM3+ ~ 3.60GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0
Memory
2x 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-1866 (PC3-14900) - 8GB Total
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD 6670-2GD3
Sound Card
Onboard High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 2009m LCD
Screen Resolution
1600x900, True Color (32bit), 60Hertz
Hard Drives
WD Blue - 1TB, 3D NAND - SATA SSD
PSU
XFX Pro 450W Core Edition - Fully Wired
Case
Antec Super Lanboy
Cooling
Stock CPU fan + 2 (1 front, 1 back) 120mm Antec fans
Keyboard
Logitech MK700/MK710
Mouse
Logitech M705
Internet Speed
Frontier FiOS 50/50
Antivirus
Windows Security
Browser
Vivaldi
Other Info
1x ASUS DRW-24B1ST Multi-DVD Rewriter
1x RocketFish AIO Media Card Reader
1x WD 1TB Passport USB External Drive
Another reason I was looking at the 500s, they're close to the same price range as the
XFX ProSeries P1-450S-X2B9 450W.
I know getting less power than recommended would be bad, but does the same go for getting too much power?

A friend of mine mentioned that this one would be a good fit as well:
Antec EA-500 Green 500W

Are the modular PSUs actually good/just hype?
I don't think getting a PSU with more that you need is an issue there is a issue of using to little to stress out what quality PSU you have I know for what I am using is Overkill but at the same time if I wanted to add a third card to my set up I have no worries I would look for a PSU at least the minimal amount to be 650 to 700w it will run efficient and also won't stress it out compared to using the max for your system it might work well for a while but stressing it out trying to run something that might need more would be redundant

I am just being honest and would tell you in the long run getting something a little higher will set you up for better system upgrades in the future one poster I think TWO CABLES said that the 80 plus certification doesn't mean anything which in a way it does believe it or not all PSU's aren't the same you can use a cheap PSU and give you all of what you need but the parts degrade quicker due to the requirements like a 80plus PSU see what you don't know if it isn't a 80plus bronze gold what ever the parts are cheaper and less quality and could damage something if it is really weak you can opt for a name brand that you know or opt for a off the wall but there is a reason for the 80plus marketing or not there is a reason just like there is a reason the world is round and not flat

Don't be a cheapskate get something of quality and longevity or you'll end up here in a few months with the same question just get a 650 to 700 w call it a day there no more then the one you choose and if you look around you can find a top notch one and don't have to blow over a $100.00 to get it
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
CoreI7-6700K MrFingerIII Special Builds
OS
Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
CPU
Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC
Motherboard
Asrock Fatality K6 Z170 Socket 1151
Memory
32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4
Graphics Card(s)
Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Sound Card
AC97 Creative Rage Tactic 3D Headphones Bluetooth
Monitor(s) Displays
27" Asus ROG Swift PG278Q G-Sync 48" Vizio Smart HD TV
Screen Resolution
2560x1440p 27"- 48" Currently Gaming at 2560x1440p Res 2K
Hard Drives
250GB Samsung Evo840SSD Seagate baracuda 500 GB WD Mybook 500Gb 1TB Seagate Barracuda
PSU
HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli
Case
Enthod Pro Full Tower
Cooling
Corsair H110i GT 280 mm High Performance WaterBlock
Keyboard
Logitech wireless keyboard
Mouse
Logitech wireless mouse
Internet Speed
Cox Cable 100+ mb
Antivirus
WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus
Browser
IE-10, Chrome, Opera
Other Info
My Other Rig is a AMD FX8320E @4.6Ghz 16GB Ballistic Sport Ram
Mobo Asrock Fatality 990FX 120GB OCZ SSD 1TB Seagate Barracuda Corsair H75 Cooling PSU Corsair CX750
GPU GTX Gigabyte 970G1
I am being misunderstood.

Again, even though the 80+ Certification is pure marketing hype, the chances of finding a recommendable PSU these days with the PLAIN 80+ Certification are getting closer and closer to 0%. Taking it further, the chances of any recommendable PSU having at least the 80+ Bronze certification is getting close to 100%. The chances of a recommendable PSU having at least the 80+ Silver or Gold rating is getting closer and closer to 100% as well. However, this does not mean that the 80+ Certification is important. It's not!

The 80+ Certification labs test PSUs at only 23°C (room temperature) even though the typical temperature of an engineering room is 25°C. A PSU's efficiency goes down as heat goes up, so a PSU that might meet 80+ Certification standards at their temperature testing levels of only 23°C might not achieve those efficiency numbers in real world conditions of 30-40°C, or worst-case condition levels of 50°C!

So again, the 80+ Certification is marketing hype.


Another reason I was looking at the 500s, they're close to the same price range as the
XFX ProSeries P1-450S-X2B9 450W.
I know getting less power than recommended would be bad, but does the same go for getting too much power?

A friend of mine mentioned that this one would be a good fit as well:
Antec EA-500 Green 500W

Are the modular PSUs actually good/just hype?

You're powering the system below right?

System Manufacturer/Model Number Self built comfuser #5
OS 7 Pro. 64Bit w/SP1
CPU AMD FX 4100, Socket AM3+ - 3.6GHz
Motherboard ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0
Memory 8.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 1600 MHz (2x 4GB Kingston sticks)
Graphics Card ASUS Radeon HD 6670
Sound Card Onboard High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays Envision H190L LCD
Screen Resolution 1280x1024, True Color (32bit), 75Hertz

Keyboard AOpen KB-910
Mouse Logitech G500
Case Antec Super Lanboy
Cooling Stock CPU fan + 2 (1 front, 1 back) 120mm Antec fans
Hard Drives WD 750GB, 64MB Cache SATA Drive
Internet Speed Verizon FiOS
Antivirus avast! Internet Security v8
Browser IE8
Other Info 1 LG GH24NS90 SuperMulti DVD Rewriter 1 RocketFish Media Card Reader 1 WD 500GB Passport USB External Drive

The parts to look at are the CPU and the video card. You have a CPU that won't use any more than 95W, and a video card that won't use any more than 66W. Your system, as it is right now, will never pull more than 250W from your PSU. Here's proof:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4278/36851.png

Source: AnandTech | AMD

They are showing the power draw at the wall outlet. So, this is what the PSU is pulling from their wall outlet.

With one 6670 in their power-hungry test system, their PSU pulled 199W from the wall outlet while running Furmark. It pulled 198W from the wall outlet while running Crysis because Crysis is less demanding than Furmark (Furmark is extremely unrealistic) and it includes a bit of the CPU in the mix as well, unlike their Furmark test which is 100% GPU and 0% CPU. So, their CPU was idling during the Furmark test. Your CPU will never pull more than 95W, so I will add 95W to the 199W power draw which would then make the PSU pulling 294W from the wall outlet. Therefore, if your PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 294W from your wall outlet, then your computer would be pulling 250W (249.9W) from your PSU.

This is an unrealistically high power draw because we're talking about Furmark with your CPU under absolute full load as well. Your gaming power draw will be lower at around 175-225W. This means that the 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition is major overkill. That means it has more power than you will ever know what to do with. Thanks to the price of this PSU and its quality, it is just about the best PSU to get. However, due to this extremely tiny power draw, you could also get the 360W SeaSonic G Series which is an even better unit (it's a very high-end unit).

The 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition is able to continuously deliver 450W if it's ever needed. This means that it can deliver 450W "24/7" - again, if it's ever needed. Your power draw of 175-225W while gaming is 38-50% of the total capacity of the 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition. The 360W SeaSonic G Series is a superior unit and it can deliver 360W "24/7" if it's ever needed. Your power draw of 175-225W will be about 48-63% of its total capacity. Therefore, neither PSU would ever even come close to breaking a sweat. They would look at you and go, "Seriously? Is this all you got? Yawn..."

Are you worried about future upgrades? Then go with the 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition. Let's say that you get the HD 7970. Here's the power consumption:

AMD Radeon HD 7970 review - Hardware setup | Power consumption

With one 7970 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 355W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so I will add 95W for your CPU under full load. This makes the PSU pulling 450W from the wall outlet. Don't be confused: it is a coincidence that it happens to match the wattage rating of the 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition. Anyway, so if your PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 450W from your wall outlet, then your computer is pulling 382W from your PSU.

Again, this is an unrealistically high power draw. Your gaming power draw will be lower at around 325-350W. This is only 72-78% of the capacity of the 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition. Therefore, this PSU would be in "the sweet spot" for maximum efficiency for your daily average power draw if you had the 7970 in your computer.

The GTX 680 has an even lower power draw!

Are you worried about future CPUs and future GPUs? Don't be, because we have reached a point where each new generation of CPUs and GPUs requires less power than the previous.

If you have any questions, then please ask and I will do my best to answer them.
 
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WOW, great explanation TwoCables, thanks for the help. Decided on the XFX ProSeries P1-450S-X2B9 450W. Ordering that & some other items from Newegg now.
Thank you for the replies everyone.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self built comfuser
OS
10 Pro. 64Bit
CPU
AMD FX 4100, 4-Core Black Edition. Socket AM3+ ~ 3.60GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0
Memory
2x 4GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-1866 (PC3-14900) - 8GB Total
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS Radeon HD 6670-2GD3
Sound Card
Onboard High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
HP 2009m LCD
Screen Resolution
1600x900, True Color (32bit), 60Hertz
Hard Drives
WD Blue - 1TB, 3D NAND - SATA SSD
PSU
XFX Pro 450W Core Edition - Fully Wired
Case
Antec Super Lanboy
Cooling
Stock CPU fan + 2 (1 front, 1 back) 120mm Antec fans
Keyboard
Logitech MK700/MK710
Mouse
Logitech M705
Internet Speed
Frontier FiOS 50/50
Antivirus
Windows Security
Browser
Vivaldi
Other Info
1x ASUS DRW-24B1ST Multi-DVD Rewriter
1x RocketFish AIO Media Card Reader
1x WD 1TB Passport USB External Drive
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