OneGet, a Linux-style package management framework

[Gornot]

OneGet will come with all Windows 10 installs, meaning that developers can now make use of this functionality as they know every new install will have this feature.

If you are not familiar with package managers, it's a tool that makes installing, updating and locating the install software much easier for developers. With the use of trusted repositories, every time a package is updated on the repository, your machine can be updated as well.

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[andrew129260]

Well now that is just awesome.

I long for the day when Microsoft's programs and everything else gets updated in one interface. One of the many reasons that linux is so great.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Well now that is just awesome.

I long for the day when Microsoft's programs and everything else gets updated in one interface. One of the many reasons that linux is so great.

It will be good if it also gets rid of all of those auto-update services (I purge most of those things).

I have a VM with multiple browsers installed (for web site testing).

I despise Chrome.
It takes at least 10 minutes for the VM to stabilise after boot up, mostly due to Chrome trying to update.
Chrome also triggers multiple UAC prompts (invisible background updates my a**)!

Once it finishes, Opera starts.
Even though it is the new Chrome-based version, it doesn't trigger a storm of UAC prompts.

 

[andrew129260]

Well now that is just awesome.

I long for the day when Microsoft's programs and everything else gets updated in one interface. One of the many reasons that linux is so great.

It will be good if it also gets rid of all of those auto-update services (I purge most of those things).

I have a VM with multiple browsers installed (for web site testing).

I despise Chrome.
It takes at least 10 minutes for the VM to stabilise after boot up, mostly due to Chrome trying to update.
Chrome also triggers multiple UAC prompts (invisible background updates my a**)!

Once it finishes, Opera starts.
Even though it is the new Chrome-based version, it doesn't trigger a storm of UAC prompts.

Thats weird. Something must be wrong with your chrome then, mine never does that or has that issue.

 

[Alejandro85]

Things like that already exists for quite some time:
https://chocolatey.org/

I have my doubts about this one, using only though command line will probably mean that most users will not even know that exist, or what can they do with it. A GUI is a must these days.

(invisible background updates my a**)!

:roflmao:
Same policy here. Only I decide when to risk an update. Firewalls do wonders here, blocking phone-home autoupdaters.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Thats weird. Something must be wrong with your chrome then, mine never does that or has that issue.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was broken.

If it wasn't so popular (for some unknown reason) I would never have installed it.

IMO, almost all browsers seem to be getting worse with each new update.
Bizarrely enough, the exception is IE.

 

[Golden]

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OneGet will come with all Windows 10 installs, meaning that developers can now make use of this functionality as they know every new install will have this feature.

If you are not familiar with package managers, it's a tool that makes installing, updating and locating the install software much easier for developers. With the use of trusted repositories, every time a package is updated on the repository, your machine can be updated as well.

Read more...

Sounds very much like the Linux sudo-apt-get-update functionality. Smart.

 

[groze]

Wouldn't that program violate the GPL?

 

[groze]

Well now that is just awesome.

I long for the day when Microsoft's programs and everything else gets updated in one interface. One of the many reasons that linux is so great.

It will be good if it also gets rid of all of those auto-update services (I purge most of those things).

I have a VM with multiple browsers installed (for web site testing).

I despise Chrome.
It takes at least 10 minutes for the VM to stabilise after boot up, mostly due to Chrome trying to update.
Chrome also triggers multiple UAC prompts (invisible background updates my a**)!

Once it finishes, Opera starts.
Even though it is the new Chrome-based version, it doesn't trigger a storm of UAC prompts.

If you are talking about the chromes operating system ignore my comment.
If you are using Windows Operating system in a virtual machine. Check the Windows task scheduler in the virtual machine for the Google Chrome update. There should be a setting there to disable the UAC from prompting.

 

[Gornot]

Things like that already exists for quite some time:
https://chocolatey.org/

I have my doubts about this one, using only though command line will probably mean that most users will not even know that exist, or what can they do with it. A GUI is a must these days.

(invisible background updates my a**)!

:roflmao:
Same policy here. Only I decide when to risk an update. Firewalls do wonders here, blocking phone-home autoupdaters.

Although OneGet is aimed at developers, I doubt Microsoft would just leave it at the PowerShell level for consumers. I'm not an expert or anything, but is there technically anything stopping them from making a GUI for OneGet just because it's based on PowerShell commands?

Perhaps this might be a long awaited update to Windows Update, or even the Store, since it now features desktop apps as well...

I agree that purging auto updaters is a MUST! Why can't apps just have it integrated instead, and just check for updates on startup, like most NORMAL applications!?

 

[whs]

There were rumors that they would provide a UI that is not cmd or powershell.

 

[Gornot]

Windows 10 keeps getting more and more interesting. Not necessarily better in every aspect, but so far so good.

 

[Kaktussoft]

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

and

sudo apt-get install

Looks like linux!!

Are they supporting commands like:
sudo apt-get remove [package]
sudo apt-get autoremove [package]
sudo apt-get purge [package]

It would be great!!

 

[Iforgot]

Windows with a purge command??? yeh .......

 

[Alejandro85]

I'm not an expert or anything, but is there technically anything stopping them from making a GUI for OneGet just because it's based on PowerShell commands?

No, nothing at all. If a program has a CLI only, a GUI can just invoke those commands under the hood and appropriately format the input/output. It already has been done, in fact (TortoiseSvn wrapping Svn is an example). Having both gives the best of both worlds, usability and being discoverable of a GUI and automation capabilities of a CLI.

I agree that purging auto updaters is a MUST! Why can't apps just have it integrated instead, and just check for updates on startup, like most NORMAL applications!?

Having "auto-updating" built-in into a program or as a separate service is almost equally dangerous. Program may be updated at any time, you like it or not, and it might break something that used to work or just delay usage by forcing an unnecessary update at any time. Services have the added troubles that run as a separate program (ie, more resource consumption) and running often as localsystem (ie, a great security risk). "Normal" programs don't tamper with the user system and don't download anything they don't need to work.

 

[kado897]

The Linux package managers are just wrappers for the command line utilities apt and pacman. I would guess that if MS didn't create a GUI someone else would.

 

[Gornot]

I'm not an expert or anything, but is there technically anything stopping them from making a GUI for OneGet just because it's based on PowerShell commands?

No, nothing at all. If a program has a CLI only, a GUI can just invoke those commands under the hood and appropriately format the input/output. It already has been done, in fact (TortoiseSvn wrapping Svn is an example). Having both gives the best of both worlds, usability and being discoverable of a GUI and automation capabilities of a CLI.

I agree that purging auto updaters is a MUST! Why can't apps just have it integrated instead, and just check for updates on startup, like most NORMAL applications!?

Having "auto-updating" built-in into a program or as a separate service is almost equally dangerous. Program may be updated at any time, you like it or not, and it might break something that used to work or just delay usage by forcing an unnecessary update at any time. Services have the added troubles that run as a separate program (ie, more resource consumption) and running often as localsystem (ie, a great security risk). "Normal" programs don't tamper with the user system and don't download anything they don't need to work.

Thanks for the explanation.

As for the second part of your comment, I was referring to certain programs like iTunes, BitTorrent and the like, that when you start them up, inform you that there is a new version available, and asks if you want to install it. MUCH better than having a background service I have to hunt down in msconfig and turn off. Even a better option for non-techies.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Update about Chrome Update

Thats weird. Something must be wrong with your chrome then, mine never does that or has that issue.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was broken.

The previous update that I installed for Chrome seems to have fixed my UAC issue.

I updated it again yesterday and I only received one UAC prompt.
It still churned for ages though.

It's got to be one of the slowest updating programs I have ever seen.
The only things that are worse are .NET updates.