Opinions on these refurb'd desktops?

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I'm considering buying one of these desktops, and would like to get input on which one looks like the best deal. Looking to get something faster than my ancient (2011) i7 build. Any thoughts on these? High-Quality Refurbished Desktops for U.S. Nonprofits I'm low income & would like to spend less than $400. I'm more interested in the hardware, especially speed, than in whatever software it comes with, or storage (I have drives to install). Thanks in advance!
 

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You might be better deciding what your requirements are. Or to put it another way, what is it you want to improve from what you have now?

What is the cpu, motherboard, ram and hard disk you are currently using?

A 2011 ivybridge motherboard machine might have i7 3770 , 16gb ram, and a decent ssd. If that is what you have got, then many of those allegedly newer desktops won't necessarily be any better, some of them will be worse.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply. Currently using this MOBO Intel(R) Desktop Board DX58SO Product Specifications and this CPU Intel(R) Core™ i7-950 Processor (8M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel(R) QPI) Product Specifications in a build from about 10 years ago. I mostly use this PC for watching videos I DL from binary newsgroups via HDMI to my flat screen TV, and for web browsing (Firefox) email (Tbird) and word processing (MS Word), nothing too resource-demanding. I'm fairly tech savvy, have built several PC's, but not in awhile & my knowledge is a pretty dated. Mostly, I'd just like input into which of the PC's on that site seems like the best "bang for the buck."


Thanks!
 

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You have a a 2008/2009 system.

Whichever you get they all come with mechanical disks. The biggest improvement would be adding an SSD to your new machine.
 

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Looking at all those desktops, you'll want a Dell, that I can tell you. Dell, in my opinion makes great hardware and with all the Dell's I've owned I never had a hiccup with hardware. Now that's not to say they don't make duds, all manufactures have their duds.

Now from a Dell angle, I see a Dell XPS 8500 with a Core i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 8GB RAM, 1000GB HDD. This desktop's CPU ranks in at 6,368 at Passmark. That's 3,288 points higher than the CPU you have now. BUT!

This custom build desktop, Custom All Series with Core i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 8GB RAM, 1000GB HDD has 7,024 Passmark points which is 3,944 points higher than the CPU you have now.

Now that's just from the CPU front. I have no idea what kind of hardware are in these desktops pertaining to its motherboard. 8 GB of RAM would be the minimum I'd get. If the picture is correct, it may sport an Asus optical drive which is decent. Now many people don't care for optical media, but I love it for backups of data and the bit integrity is far, far better than a hard drive that is flash-based or magnetic-based where you could get errors. I use a Pioneer Blu-ray burner and burn to 25 and 50 GB disks for my website backups and other stuff. Then those disks are stored in a $35 fireproof safe. The once in a while full hard drive clones are cloned to an external USB hard drive and that hard drive is stored in a sandwich bag and placed in the fireproof safe. Just food for thought here about backups. You can't have too many backups and redundancy.

Now here's a thought. Since you indicate you are low income. If you get EBT or Medicaid you can get Amazon Prime at 50% off for around $6 a month. And some of Amazon's products including full desktops allow you to make payments with no interest or credit check required. Now not all of Amazon's products are like this, but if you go here, you'll see the search query as 'payment plan items.' I've found not all items listed qualify for payments, but many do. Look for AMD-based desktops and go here and compare the Passmark score for CPU capability. AMD is the budget friendly CPU all the while giving you great CPU crunching power. Also factor in the type of hardware they offer versus other offerings. You may be interested in a laptop as well. But with laptops I'd go Dell or Asus myself, but you have to read up on reviews all over the Internet. Use this site to get a feel on the quality of the Amazon reviews. This rating, A through F is NOT a rating on the product, but of the reviews and whether they can be trusted or not. It DOES NOT mean it's necessarily a bad product, just that there may be a lot of fake reviews either pro or con. You enter the Amazon URL from the address bar in the search field top left where it says Analyze.

Now depending on your income, your bills and what not, a long term payment plan may NOT be what you want. I'm just throwing it out there for an option if you so wish. You might very well be better off with that custom built i7-4770.

I need to mention hard drives. In this day in age it's a now brainer to go SSD or m.2. For around $60 you can have a 500 GB Crucial MX500 SSD that will work really well and give you pretty decent data access speed from the drive. You could also go Samsung, but I just prefer Crucial. There are actually three or four manufactures of semiconductor memory chips for SSDs regardless of SSD brand. Off the top of my head they are, Micron (Crucial), Samsung and Hynix. This applies to m.2 as well and maybe even USB thumb drives, I'm not too sure.

You'd want a good quality enterprise grade platter for spill over and very large installs like Steam games. A 2 TB Hitachi enterprise grade platter should cost around $50. I own two. Both are 2 TBs each and were used from eBay and as of now have a little over 22,000 hours of use and still going. I knew these drives would work out so that's why I wasn't reluctant to buy used Hitachi enterprise grade hard drives on eBay. This is what I have. Newegg link and Amazon link.

Now there are two things here between Amazon and Newegg. Newegg says a three year warranty while Amazon looks flaky on that. Also, in the Amazon picture it shows SATA II or 3 GB/s (wrong HDD) while the Newegg link is correct in that these drives are in fact SATA III 6 GB/s. The MTBF (Mean Time Before failure) for this drive is reportedly 2 million whooping hours. Did I mention these ARE enterprise hard drives and I only have, oh, 22,000 hours on the drive thus far? LOL These drives were meant for servers for lots of reads and writes. Now they WILL be noisy, but I don't care about that. So long as they last, and you won't hear it hardly at all unless you are reading/writing to the drive or Window is doing clean up routines and other stuff. Also, never over defrag a drive, only if it is really badly fragmented. And of course never defrag a SSD or other flash-based hard drive.

Also, the desktops you gave a link to all use Windows 10. Be prepared for update madness to say the least. "Updates" can and will hose you over so have backups and full hard drive clones and often times "updates" require updates. Unfortunately, Windows 10 is the latest and everyone will eventually will have to use it. I've been testing Windows 10 LTSC in VMware myself, and to make this short I'll just say there's a TON of traffic going in and out of a Windows 10 install out onto the Internet. I don't see this with Windows 7 or even XP. If you could go with something like Linux Mint for what you do, then that may be the better choice. It's just that Linux may have a learning curve. If all you do is small home and office computing then it will suffice.
 

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Here's a breakdown on all the Dell desktops I saw on that page and their associated Passmark CPU scores for reference.



Intel Core i5-4440 @ 3.10GHz 4,663

Intel Core i5-4570 @ 3.20GHz 5,160

Intel Core i7-4770 @ 3.40GHz 7,024

Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 6,368

Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.40GHz 5,327

Intel Core i5-4670 @ 3.40GHz 5,458


Your current CPU ranks in at 3,080.


PS: PassMark is the same software company that makes the free Memtest86 software for RAM testing. I use it all the time when I buy new RAM on eBay and want to test my RAM. I wouldn't use Memtest86+ as I believe it's outdated.
 

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I agree 100% with F22 Simpilot about refurbished Dell's.

I've been buying refurbished Dell minitowers since 2011 and have been satisfied with almost all of them.

I started with the OptiPlex 755 and then moved up to the OptiPlex 780 and then moved up to the OptiPlex 7010 and then moved up to the OptiPlex 9020.

All of my OptiPlex 9020's came with an Intel Core i7-4790 processor and 32 GB of RAM.

I added a low-power graphics card and switched from a HDD to a SSD in all of them.

I'm not a gamer, so they do fine for what I use them for.

:thumbsup:
 

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I see a Dell XPS 8500 with a Core i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 8GB RAM, 1000GB HDD. This desktop's CPU ranks in at 6,368 at Passmark. That's 3,288 points higher than the CPU you have now. BUT!

This custom build desktop, Custom All Series with Core i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 8GB RAM, 1000GB HDD has 7,024 Passmark points which is 3,944 points higher than the CPU you have now.

The Custom with i7 4770 looks promising, but I don't know what the motherboard is.

Ideally, you would want to know how many sata ports ( particularly sataIII ports) and how many usb3 ports, in addition how much space for expansion. From the picture there is a built dvd writer, 2 front 3.5 bays and 2 front 2.5 bays.

They are asking $334, which still leaves something from the $400 budget for the all important SSD.

I can't find out anything about Custom All Series 3.40i7 8 1000 DK.

It is worth asking the seller what the motherboard is on that Custom All Series pc. They only need to turn it on , go into bios and it will say.

While you are asking them about the motherboard, it is worth telling them you are checking because it has to last a long while so you need to know about expansion possibilities, because you are low income - and is there any possibility of a discount, say 10%. They might politely say no, but they won't eat you.

On the other hand, if you want to use windows 7, you might be better of with a Dell, because to the best of my knowledge, the Dells listed there should have slic 2.1 in bios, no idea if the Custom pc has that.
 
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If you are looking at the Dells on that site:

3847 - looks like only 2 xusb3 and only 2 ram slots (DDR3 DIMM sockets)
https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/...spiron-3847-desktop_reference guide_en-us.pdf

9010
https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/dell_optiplex_9010_spec_sheet.pdf

Preferable:

9020
https://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent.../optiplex-9020-micro-technical-spec-sheet.pdf

The T1700 looks interesting, does anybody here have one of these?
T1700 seems to use ecc ram
https://www.dell.com/support/articl...p-workstation-hardware-specifications?lang=en

https://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent...ell-precision-t1700-spec-sheet-pre-launch.pdf

From that list, I would think either the Custom with i7 4770 or the Dell 9020.

Though that site looks quite expensive.
 
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THANK YOU ALL for the GREAT replies! I'll need to sift through all the info, but I really appreciate everyone's assistance! My present machine has been OK speed wise, again, my uses are fairly low level (no insane gaming, etc.) but the machine has been having some issues across 3 OS's on 3 drives (2 SSD, 7 pro & home, 1 HDD, 10), so I want to replace it before it craps out entirely. I get all the specs on SATA speeds, usb 2 vs 3, etc., it's mostly the CPU specs that I'm not clear on. I know what clock speed is, but I'm not sure about the other figures. For example, these 2 i7's (thanks Simpilot!) 3.4 gig clock speed, but what do the 4770 & 3770 refer to? Is it just a "model number?" I see the BIGGER one gets a higher SCORE.

Intel Core i7-4770 @ 3.40GHz 7,024
Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 6,368

What's the basic difference between i5 & i7? I know i7 is preferred.

Thanks again.
 

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You can ask the seller. They have contact details.
 

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Intel Core i7-4770
Intel Core i7-3770

The number in bold is the series. 4 is more recent than 3. You won't necessarily need an i7, because the i5 on the dell 9020 is much faster than what you already have.

The i7 4770 on the Custom is faster even than that , but you might not notice unless you are doing very intense tasks.

You would get a noticeable speed increase by adding an SSD to your purchase , they are much quicker than mechanical disks.
 

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OK after all the input, I'm leaning towards this one:
Dell OptiPlex 9020 with i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz,8 RAM,1000GB HDD with Microsoft Windows 10 Professional and Microsoft Office 2010 Home & Business.


THEN I saw the SAME MACHINE (looks to be) on Amazon for $85 LESS. AND it comes w/a 128 gig SSD & a 2TB HDD & TWICE the ram (16, currently running 12). Am I missing something? That looks like THE ONE from Amazon, about ready to order, opinions?


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HPCRQN8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3HJ1TC24IMZ8F&psc=1


THANKS!!!!
 

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For me it was between the custom i7 4770 and the dell 9020.

If you have seen the DEll 9020 cheaper, and with more ram and an ssd included, then that is a better deal than your original site. Do you need the Office Home and Business 2010? That was included in the original site.

If you really need Office, you can buy it separately Home and Student 2019 for $79( much more recent than the 2010 version) here:Creativemark Store

Or you can get free open office or free libre office. I use free version, good enough for me.

It is always worth having a look at the sellers feedback..
https://www.amazon.com/sp?_encoding...tocol=current&seller=A3HJ1TC24IMZ8F&sshmPath=


I saw something vaguely similar in the uk for £187 ( approx $240 at todays exchange rate ) - for example:
Dell OptiPlex 9020 MT PC - i5-4670 3.40GHz 8GB 256GB SSD 500GB HDD Win 10 Pro | eBay
 
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I think I'm going to go with the 9020. The seller is within driving distance, I'm going to call them & see if I can get a better price if I buy it directly from them, they won't have to pay shipping, or give Bezos his "taste."


Are you in the UK? Just about to watch a favorite show (thanks to Usenet), "Have I got (a bit more) News for You." Love how they're always slamming Boris ;-)
 

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Best avoid discussing UK tv. Many people are cancelling their licenses and not because they are fans of A.Johnson.
 

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I think I'm going to go with the 9020. The seller is within driving distance, I'm going to call them & see if I can get a better price if I buy it directly from them, they won't have to pay shipping, or give Bezos his "taste."

Worth a try.
 

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Best avoid discussing UK tv. Many people are cancelling their licenses and not because they are fans of A.Johnson.


I had heard the term license mentioned, relating I think to the BBC, but I don't really know the details. What's the issue?
 

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People are forced to pay a license fee to the bbc if they watch any live tv , even if they loathe it and never watch the bbc. Many people have stopped watching live propaganda alltogether and cancelled the license payments, to the extent that the bbc is now trying to get another billion from the so called government ( i.e. from the taxpayer). Not that the UK commercial channels are any less awful, but at least people are not forced to pay for them.
 

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