Question about Backup System Image

[robinb9]

I originally posted this to the tutorial section but no one has answered me and if i posted it in the wrong section you can remove it and leave it where it does belong but i really would like an answer before i go out and purchase a new external HD and find out i bought it for nawt.

I used the system image backup in windows 7 home premium.
btw i backed it up to an external HD
It made a folder with several subfolders after the backup and was about 55gigs
Now it is next month and i added programs, updates etc and i want to make another image does it go over the existing image backup or does it create a new folder with new subfolders?
I would like to understand this because i plan on purchasing a bigger HD and want to estimate how much I need

Also when i get the bigger external HD and do another backup image since it will not see the first one will it make a new beginning one? or will it have a fit and look for the old one on the other smaller external HD- then what would I do?
I did the first one just so i could see how it is done and to have something until I get a bigger external HD

thank you very much
Robin

 

[nate42nd]

I am not sure how much room it will use but you don't need to worry about it not fitting. It MAY overwrite the existing image. It may give you a warning when you start it. You will want to use the last one you created anyway, so it's okay to create another "on top of the one you have now.

I have a 250GB external and back up 4 systems on it with Windows imaging tool. I have run it on each computer several times and still have 60-70GBGB free space.

Hope this helps.

 

[bfskinnerpunk]

I'm a total windows 7 newbie (ultimate)

When about to do the backup, Windows will tell you something like "this may take up to 232gigabytes. proceed?".

Is this a fairly accurate estimate? ... or does it actually compress the system image?
I'm wondering how you have so many computers fitting on a single external drive. (also, I think that answers my next question, "can you back up multiple computers to a single drive?")

OP - I'm trying to keep this on your topic (and avoiding hijacking!)... but I'm also trying to avoid adding another post to this forum that some may feel is repetitive.

Thanks

 

[robinb9]

I am not sure how much room it will use but you don't need to worry about it not fitting. It MAY overwrite the existing image. It may give you a warning when you start it. You will want to use the last one you created anyway, so it's okay to create another "on top of the one you have now.

I have a 250GB external and back up 4 systems on it with Windows imaging tool. I have run it on each computer several times and still have 60-70GBGB free space.

Hope this helps.

but the drive i have it on is only 100gigs each partition and it is a 200gig ex HD. I have the laptop for one partition- the desktop for the other. and have used 55gigs.
I want to buy a 1-tb so i can partitioin it 3 ways and make it 325 gig each and keep updating and using the 3rd partition for anything else. Since the first backup will not be on there what is going to happen when i put it on the new drive since it will not see it?

Will it start all over again or is it going to have a fit because it cannot see the other backup?
I was going to get a 750gig but i got the same price for the 1-tb so why not get the 1-tb if it is the same price.

robin

robin

 

[nate42nd]

Windows will compress and overwrite the last backup and current one too. The compression ratio I can't remember, but you will be fine. You will always have the last image you run. If you get a 1TB you can split it up for back-ups (if I understand you right) but you don't need to....Windows will find the correct one if you ever need it. It will create a folder and put ALL images into that. You can have several images from different computers on the same drive and it will be no problem.

I hope I understand your question. I hope this helps you. Have a great day.

 

[SIW2]

Hi Robin,

I understand where you are coming from.

There are some major shortcomings with Windows System Image.

The GUI forces you to image the system and boot partitions - you can add other partitions if you like - BUT you will have to restore them all. You might only want to restore one.

It adds the extra/incremental images to the same folder - you can't put them somewhere else if you are short of space.

If you move the image , or change the drive/partition arrangement, it might not recognize them - and you won't be able to restore.

There are free 3rd party programs which allow you to choose which partition(s) to image, where to store the images, which to restore, and where to restore them to. They also allow you to browse to locate an image - so if something is different about the drive arrangement, or the name has been changed - you can still pick it up and restore it.

In addition, they are faster and offer better compression.

Paragon Backup & Recovery 10 Free Edition

Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download

Hope it helps.

 

[nate42nd]

Thanks SIW. You're the man.

I took your advice months ago and have had mixed results with Macrium and Paragon. Sometimes they work and sometime they don't. Windows imaging has worked every time.

What might be my problem? User error?

I thought it was my external disk for a while....but it works fine in every other way and with Windows imaging.

I can't figure out what it may be. I get "write errors" when I use Macrium or Paragon. (even got one trying to back up to a network drive) Do you know what would cause that (considering the drive works fine otherwise)

 

[SIW2]

That's odd. Particularly as you get it with both apps.

Not sure - maybe you need to run chkdsk /f /r on the drive.

Why you should get that on a network drive is a mystery - maybe a permissions issue - any error messages?

I see you have a WD drive. Try the free WD Acronis app. - see if that works.

http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp

 

[nate42nd]

It's been a while since I tries the network drive. I can't remember what the problem was there.

Someone gave me advice to run chkdsk /f /r on the drive. It came out fine as I recall.

I have read ALL of Macrium's tutorials and followed them to the letter. I have test PCs and I think I have had one (maybe two) successful image and restore with it. This is out of 12-15 tries. I finally gave up.

I always run 64bit but Macrium seems to install the correct version. It says at install it for 64 bit systems.

I don't know what to think. I have read a lot of great reviews and I know it's a good app. I will look you up next time I get the time to try again and tell you what the errors are....I think it may have been you who told me my external disk may be going bad. That's when I ran the chkdsk /f /r

It MUST be something with me....but on 5 different systems and 3 different drives...I just don't knwo what to think.

Anyone reading this should not be afraid to try Macrium or Paragon.

 

[robinb9]

I am still a bit confused.

All I want to do is start a brand new system image on a brand new external HD even though I already made one on another ex HD. Can I do this without windows 7 barking?

robin

 

[nate42nd]

I am still a bit confused.

All I want to do is start a brand new system image on a brand new external HD even though I already made one on another ex HD. Can I do this without windows 7 barking?

robin

Just do the same thing you did last time. When you restore the image to the new drive Windows will use the latest one. Don't worry about not having the room. It may write over the last image but you don't need it.

If you are concerned or want to save space, delete the image you made a month ago, then run a new one. That will save space. You don't need to do this, but you can.

This method will work fine for you. I hope this clears things up.

 

[gregrocker]

Windows 7 Backup imaging will incrementally update your Image if you want. You can schedule it to do that and also backup your selected files.

Keep your external plugged in so Backup can work in the background on its schedule.

In order to be detected during a reimaging operation from the booted Win7 DVD or REpair CD, the folder must be in the root of the external and named exactly the same. This is not a problem if you just leave it alone.

If you want to keep several, then you need to rename each slightly for storage and replace them into the root with the original name to reimage the HD.

I keep a Win7 backup image on each of our seven computers in a primary partition on a secondary or primary HD, then copy it into a folder for that computer on external. When I need to reimage, it quickly finds the primary partition image. However if the HD fails, I would move the image into the root of the external for detection by the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD.

Each time you create an image, test cueing it up using your Win7 DVD or Repair CD "Recover Using an Image" to be sure.

 

[whs]

Anyone reading this should not be afraid to try Macrium or Paragon.

I used Paragon a little and Macrium a lot. Never had a problem with them. Especially Macrium is so super easy that I don't know where one could possibly make a mistake. I also use Norton Ghost on another system - but that is the heavy cavalry and one can easily make mistakes.
What I like about Macrium (apart from it's simplicity) is the speed (3.5 min to backup my whole Win7 to an internal disk and 13 min to backup my system and my data partition to an external disk) and the small images (14.4GB for my system plus my data partitions - the system alone is 6.5GBs). My Ghost images are a multiple of that.

Here is my little tutorial: http://www.sevenforums.com/software/43219-image-your-system-free-macrium.html