RT Se7en Lite

[stereo]

Hello guys
I tried to customize my Windows 7 DVD but when i install, i receive an error on
" completing installation - setup services"
I did remove some of the services. I shouldn't ?
Bluetooth / Server / and some others.
Yes, i know, i can disable those services, but i wanted to remove them at all
There are some stuff written with red color, i didn't touch them.

Can someone help me, please ? I wanna customize my Windows 7 DVD
Thanks in advance.

 

[Bill2]

Disabling services in RT7lite is not a very good idea IMO, unless you absolutely know what you're doing and absolutely know what you're going to do with this system in the future. The service called server enables file and printer sharing over a network while bluetooth is obvious so they should not be responsible for the errors. Probably some other service you've disabled. Also services depend on other services etc.

You can simply disable services you dont use after you've installed windows though performance gains really arent noticeable, also you can mess up things.

 

[Layback Bear]

I would leave service alone. The only ones I check to make sure their off are the (remote desktop and such) I don't want remote anything turned on. I don't know what you mean by customizing your Windows 7 DVD. I know of no reason or advantage on removing any service, just turn them off if you must. Many services are interconnected with many things that I and most don't know. They can be tracked down if one really wants to know. Remember that Mr. Gates keep a lot of secrets on how his system works. When we buy a cd with Windows on it the only two things we pay for is the cd itself and the right to use the Windows operating system that is on it. We do not own the operating system.

 

[Ztruker]

The main advantage is you can slipstream Win 7 SP1. Makes reinstall a bit faster.

 

[stereo]

If i want to remove something, like in the image, do i have to uncheck ?
For example, Games and Language Pack. If i wanna get rid oh them, i have to uncheck them ?

 

[gregrocker]

Correct but be aware that editing Services like networking in Win7 can and often does create unintended consequences down the road. It is already as lean as an OS can be, with all services not needed at Startup set to Manual on fast triggers.

That said, you can regain some disk space losing the Languages and Games. I would not scuttle much else, for example Drivers as it defeats the purpose of Win7 being nearly 100% plug n play.

 

[DeaconFrost]

I have to ask....what's the point? If you believe the snakeoil concept that Windows 7 will somehow be lighter and run faster, you will be disappointed. Windows 7 isn't Windows XP, and my hope is that one day, people will finally realize this and stop trying to make Windows 7 play by the same rules. The myth of disabling services has been thoroughly debunked 5-7 years ago. Leave them alone, unless you aren't a fan of stability.

The main advantage is you can slipstream Win 7 SP1. Makes reinstall a bit faster.

In the time it takes to do this, most can obtain one with SP1 incorporated the proper way.

 

[cluberti]

Yes, reverse integration is most certainly not difficult, and it's safer than using a tool that directly modifies / removes files from the Windows installation.

 

[Ztruker]

In the time it takes to do this, most can obtain one with SP1 incorporated the proper way.

How would I do this for free? That's what it costs using RT7Lite. If I could download Win 7 Pro X64 from MS or an authorized site with SP1 integrated I'd do it in a heartbeat, but since I can't, this method gives me that for $0.

The only time I would use this is if the drive my image backups are on went bad and I needed to reinstall Win 7.

Besides, it's fun to play with this stuff

 

[DeaconFrost]

There are plenty of ways to get an SP1 disc. Some are debateable, and some are 100% legit. There has been a legit site that can usually be found with a quick Google search, but the links are usually removed on here. My personal fav is to just get one from a friend. The disc isn't what determines legality...it's the license key. If you are using your own license key, you are legit.

As for the fun of playing with things, I completely agree, except when it is something that most avoid like the plague due to the likelihood of an unstable system.

Aside from all of that, the SP1 install is not something I'd spend time trying to avoid. It's pretty much an automated process, and when you are done, you run the cleanup tool and go on about setting up the rest of the system. If you really can't get an SP1-incorporated disc, I would just do manual installs over messing with tools like Se7en Lite.

 

[cluberti]

The disc isn't what determines legality...it's the license key. If you are using your own license key, you are legit.

Copyright covers the code in the product, so in fact, you are incorrect. According to US (and most EU countries') law, the act of sharing a disc (physically *or* virtually) is in fact a violation of copyright. The key provides the ability to activate the product (aka, proof of ownership) - the media, however, is also part of the product. Sharing that with someone else does indeed violate copyright.

 

[Bill2]

The disc isn't what determines legality...it's the license key. If you are using your own license key, you are legit.

Copyright covers the code in the product, so in fact, you are incorrect. According to US (and most EU countries') law, the act of sharing a disc (physically *or* virtually) is in fact a violation of copyright. The key provides the ability to activate the product (aka, proof of ownership) - the media, however, is also part of the product. Sharing that with someone else does indeed violate copyright.

Obviously MS and OEMs dont believe in copyright. If they did they would be obliged to provide real, install disks with all OEM computers, and MS in particular would need to dispatch SP1 integrated copies (free of cost) to all those who purchased pre-SP1 disks.

 

[DeaconFrost]

The disc isn't what determines legality...it's the license key. If you are using your own license key, you are legit.

Copyright covers the code in the product, so in fact, you are incorrect. According to US (and most EU countries') law, the act of sharing a disc (physically *or* virtually) is in fact a violation of copyright. The key provides the ability to activate the product (aka, proof of ownership) - the media, however, is also part of the product. Sharing that with someone else does indeed violate copyright.

While you may be correct for most media or IP, Microsoft themselves have often suggested borrowing discs for such things. It's been a very long standing tactic, going back over a decade to XP's release that Microsoft doesn't really care about the media you use to install...but that license key. That was one of the primary reasons MS switched from a basic key to an activation service. Swapping and sharing media is of little to no concern to them, because it is useless in the long run without a valid key that is activated.

You can't always thow a blanket generalization over everything in the tech world. You have to go situation by situation.

 

[cluberti]

I'd love to see it in Writing, because it's not legal (at least in the US, Canada, and most EU countries). Copyright is a law, not a situation - I'm not saying you're forbidden from doing so in your own life, just be aware that it is indeed technically not legal to do so. Microsoft cares, but seemingly only on a larger scale (see: China). I can't speak to other companies or countries, of course.

 

[gregrocker]

Carl, it would be interesting to find out why MS is not enforcing manufacturers providing a clean-copy installation DVD with new computer purchase. They did so when they had some leverage in the Vista>Win7 upgrade kit, but users are otherwise saddled with the factory preinstalled bloatware which hinders Win7 performance and therefore affects MS image.

We help thousands of users here clean reinstall bloated factory OEM to get the native feather-light, instantaneous Win7 performance which makes MS shine. But users need to find a clean-copy of the Installation DVD to do so since the manufacturers enforce sponsors' bloatware now to the extent they won't support clean reinstalls.

 

[DeaconFrost]

It is what it is, and has been for over a decade. Copyright laws always enter a gray area within the computer world. You are trying to make it a black and white issue....and it is far from it.

So again, I'll just reiterate what MS's stance has been since they switched to an activation method. The license is what makes you legit...not the media.

 

[cluberti]

Carl, it would be interesting to find out why MS is not enforcing manufacturers providing a clean-copy installation DVD with new computer purchase. They did so when they had some leverage in the Vista>Win7 upgrade kit, but users are otherwise saddled with the factory preinstalled bloatware which hinders Win7 performance and therefore affects MS image.

The OEM agreements include either a DVD or a recovery partition as a requirement, and it depends on the OEM as to which they choose (some do both, but a recovery partition is a cost savings if you think about the cost in shipping media with each machine). The OEM has the choice, ultimately, and both meet the requirements set to the OEMs.

We help thousands of users here clean reinstall bloated factory OEM to get the native feather-light, instantaneous Win7 performance which makes MS shine. But users need to find a clean-copy of the Installation DVD to do so since the manufacturers enforce sponsors' bloatware now to the extent they won't support clean reinstalls.

I understand that, but those are the "rules", so to speak. If you purchase from an OEM vendor that doesn't provide clean media (Dell is really good about this, and has been for years, but a lot of other OEMs are not), then you either have to find a way to get the WIM from the recovery partition if possible, or you build from the recovery, clean it, and sysprep/reimage it. Again, I'm not saying it's ideal for folks who do home repair work, but you are most certainly not in the minds of the folks writing the rules (and really have never been). If you want that to change, you're gonna have to be more vocal and visible to Microsoft.

It is what it is, and has been for over a decade. Copyright laws always enter a gray area within the computer world. You are trying to make it a black and white issue....and it is far from it.

So again, I'll just reiterate what MS's stance has been since they switched to an activation method. The license is what makes you legit...not the media.

Again, I'd like to see some sort of proof of this. Because there's always the EULA for Windows 7 which specifically states "You may not rent, lease or lend the software", which is very specific in what you can and can't do with the software. Again, remember you purchase the license to use it (and you agree to it in the EULA), you don't actually own any of it. I understand folks have always used sneakernet to move, share, and install licensed/copyrighted software, but it's *always* been illegal (regardless of whether it also has key activation technology or not). Just because some may see it as a gray area, doesn't mean it is. The law is pretty clear on this - again, I'm not saying don't do it (I'm not the software police, and never want to be), but simply stating it's legal doesn't make it so, ever. Well, unless you make the laws, of course .

 

[DeaconFrost]

There is no specific written proof either way. The EULA isn't the law, either. It is the license you agree to when you "rent" the software. You aren't paying for the software...you are paying for the right to use it. That license is determined by the key, hence the name.

It isn't that "some" see it as a gray area. It's the fact that legal experts have been debating it for years, and that the EULA is not the same thing as a copyright law. Music and movie DVDs expressly forbid copying, yet it has been determined you are legally able to make one archival copy for yourself. All of this is a gray area, whether you feel so or not, with very little factual aspects that are indisputable. If I give a copy of a W7 disc to a friend, who uses it with his own license to reformat his Dell laptop, I'm hardly breaking an court-approved legal rules. Microsoft has actually supported this in many of their own blogs and support cases. If I take a copy of my software, attach a TechNet license key to it, and sell it on eBay, I'm clearing breaking legal rules.

My secondary point is...why the debate? As I said before, it is what it is, and has been for over a decade. I'm not quite understanding the combatitiveness you are showing towards myself and others who are just saying how it is. None of us care about written proof because we've been in the industry long enough to know how it is. I just past my 15th year in the IT industry, so that's my proof...living and breathing it every day. In my example of giving a friend the media only, his install will be 100% legit, and if he called Microsoft to activate, he'd have no issues. MS themselves doesn't get into the media or how the product was installed...they only care about that key and that the license isn't in use already. If you are in a need for proof, why not get it from the source? If Microsoft doesn't care, why should anyone else? The day Microsoft starts selling discs of their OSes on their website (media only) for all people to easily purchase, and offers updated media to those with valid licenses, I may change my stance.

 

[Bill2]

Maybe MS can start reading their own EULAs. I've quoted this before but here it is.

Is it OK to use OEM Windows on your own PC? Don't ask Microsoft | ZDNet

 

[DeaconFrost]

I should clarify a bit, that I'm not trying to sound like I'm directing anything negative towards you, cluberti. It's been a frustration for a long time that there isn't a clear black and white set of rules and facts for us in the computer industry. I can only live by the rules that the industry seems to make for itself. In this case, if I borrowed a DVD from a friend, or copied the software DVD, and used my own, legit license key to install, I'd be quite comfortable telling Microsoft what I did. I have a TechNet subscription, and I'll be honest, I've given away .iso files and burned discs. I will NOT give out any of my keys to anyone outside of my house. My wife is in IT, and she uses one W7 key on her laptop from my TechNet account. But she is part of our side business of support that the TechNet account is registered under.