Solved Some stupid quistions (sorry again)

[Alsisgevat]

1.Someone probably already asked this but I just wan't to know if a ssd is worth the expensive cost. If i was to get one,i would look for the 6gig a second type ones,but they are really expensive, so is it worth it paying so much for a 128g or maybe 256? What good does a ssd do over a normal hd? Speed wise and gaming and so on, even if i get one i would only put my os on it.

2. Is there any way you can play 3d games on a normal led/lcd screen. If you have the gfx card and games that can give you 3d,is there a way?

3. I have asked this before and got a good answer, but i saw a few pics on google of people's pc rigs that have 3-6 monitors that are not the same make or model. Last time smarteyeball explained you can't unless you wan't your card to run with full 3D clocks. And explained nicely what that means. But like I said i saw a lot of pics where there are different screens being used as one...Is it fake,has anyone on this forum done something like that so that i can know if it will work? The second screen i am looking for is also 23'',backlit LED,2ms responce,looks the same BUT it only has 1000:1 contrast ratio(don't understand why it is so low).


Thanx 4 any help, i know the question are stupid, but after i get the answer i won't ask stupid ones ever again...or at least try not to.

 

[Wallonn7]

1.Someone probably already asked this but I just wan't to know if a ssd is worth the expensive cost. If i was to get one,i would look for the 6gig a second type ones,but they are really expensive, so is it worth it paying so much for a 128g or maybe 256? What good does a ssd do over a normal hd? Speed wise and gaming and so on, even if i get one i would only put my os on it.

2. Is there any way you can play 3d games on a normal led/lcd screen. If you have the gfx card and games that can give you 3d,is there a way?

3. I have asked this before and got a good answer, but i saw a few pics on google of people's pc rigs that have 3-6 monitors that are not the same make or model. Last time smarteyeball explained you can't unless you wan't your card to run with full 3D clocks. And explained nicely what that means. But like I said i saw a lot of pics where there are different screens being used as one...Is it fake,has anyone on this forum done something like that so that i can know if it will work? The second screen i am looking for is also 23'',backlit LED,2ms responce,looks the same BUT it only has 1000:1 contrast ratio(don't understand why it is so low).


Thanx 4 any help, i know the question are stupid, but after i get the answer i won't ask stupid ones ever again...or at least try not to.

Hi Alsisgevat.

First of all: there's no stupid questions! Feel free to ask anything, right?!

#1 - Yes, SSDs are still expensive. And yes, they're worth the investment. As they have no mechanical parts, are more reliable, quieter and less subject to problems common to conventional hard disk. But if the investment still seems high, you can invest in a hybrid HDD - Seagate and Newegg info.

#2 - No, there's no way. You can play but will not have 3D effects.

#3 - You can even use different monitors. But as the monitors have different specifications you will probably have some problems in the final image quality.

Hope that helps!

 

[seavixen32]

A useful article here: Review: Hard disk vs. solid-state drive -- is an SSD worth the money? - Computerworld_

 

[seekermeister]

Wallonn7,

#1 - Yes, SSDs are still expensive. And yes, they're worth the investment. As they have no mechanical parts, are more reliable, quieter and less subject to problems common to conventional hard disk. But if the investment still seems high, you can invest in a hybrid HDD - Seagate and Newegg info.

I have noticed that you have suggested these drives as a possibility more than once. What do you base that proposition on...personal experience or just from reading about them? I have Googled on the subject, and have not found anything that would lead me to believe that these drives are currently a good bet for the average user, however most of what I have found is somewhat dated. This fact in itself tends to give the the impression that these drives are not making much of a dent in the market, for if they were, there would be much more printed about them than there is.

I only scanned the articles that I found, so may have missed the point, but it seems to me that while these drives may fit the needs for some, the very same aspects that make them attractive to some, would repel others. I am not considering them as an alternative to a SSD, but to a standard hard drive, and it seems that hybrids do not overcome the shortcomings of regular hard drives, and add additional problems without any significant advantages.

If I'm incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

[Wallonn7]

Wallonn7,

#1 - Yes, SSDs are still expensive. And yes, they're worth the investment. As they have no mechanical parts, are more reliable, quieter and less subject to problems common to conventional hard disk. But if the investment still seems high, you can invest in a hybrid HDD - Seagate and Newegg info.

I have noticed that you have suggested these drives as a possibility more than once. What do you base that proposition on...personal experience or just from reading about them? I have Googled on the subject, and have not found anything that would lead me to believe that these drives are currently a good bet for the average user, however most of what I have found is somewhat dated. This fact in itself tends to give the the impression that these drives are not making much of a dent in the market, for if they were, there would be much more printed about them than there is.

I only scanned the articles that I found, so may have missed the point, but it seems to me that while these drives may fit the needs for some, the very same aspects that make them attractive to some, would repel others. I am not considering them as an alternative to a SSD, but to a standard hard drive, and it seems that hybrids do not overcome the shortcomings of regular hard drives, and add additional problems without any significant advantages.

If I'm incorrect, please enlighten me.

Hi seekermeister... here we go again.
Yes, I have "suggested" that some members buy this hybrid hard drive. But everyone must follow their own choices, just as you did at the time I suggested the purchase of it. Reiterating, I just did and make "suggestions". I do not like followers and that is why I respect you. You're not one of them. In regards to it being repellent to some and attractive to others, well, you and I are proof of that, respectively, are not we? It's part of the game of life! And not just to extend the debate, since both always defend our points of view, I think your post was positive in spite of our disagreements. Finally, yes I had personal experience with this hdd. Unfortunately I sold the computer that contained it and could not buy another one in time for the construction of my present computer, since I would have to import it. Here are some reviews that suggested me to buy it at the time:

Overclockers Club

Benchmark Reviews

Legit Reviews

Strong Hug! :grouphug:

 

[seekermeister]

My debating days are long over, I only participate in discussions. Therefore I'm more interested in your personal perspective, than I am in reading more articles that would leave me asking the same questions. I do understand that the viewpoint formed by your experience is not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's, but I'm not asking someone else...just you. It seems that for every advantage that these drives offer, there is a flip side to counter it and that the only situation where that this may weigh out to a plus, is for use in a laptop, due to the lower load on the battery. Even then, this would be offset by the cost of a higher probability of hard drive failure, due to the forces imparted by frequently spinning up from platter from a dead stop, to a normal speed, since the mechanical portion of the drive is simply acting as a large page file for the flash portion. I also understand that there is a risk of data loss in a power failure, since unlike with SSDs, the flash portion of the drive is volatile.

Yes, it is up to each person to make their own decisions, but to be able to do that, they need to fully understand the full nature of this critter to be able to decide whether to take it home with them. This is why I was asking you what redeeming quality that you found in them, that made it worth the hassle? Maybe I am being a bit unfair in asking anyone to pinpoint their thoughts in this fashion, but I prefer to learn from someone else's experience, rather than my own when possible.

 

[Wallonn7]

My debating days are long over, I only participate in discussions. Therefore I'm more interested in your personal perspective, than I am in reading more articles that would leave me asking the same questions. I do understand that the viewpoint formed by your experience is not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's, but I'm not asking someone else...just you. It seems that for every advantage that these drives offer, there is a flip side to counter it and that the only situation where that this may weigh out to a plus, is for use in a laptop, due to the lower load on the battery. Even then, this would be offset by the cost of a higher probability of hard drive failure, due to the forces imparted by frequently spinning up from platter from a dead stop, to a normal speed, since the mechanical portion of the drive is simply acting as a large page file for the flash portion. I also understand that there is a risk of data loss in a power failure, since unlike with SSDs, the flash portion of the drive is volatile.

Yes, it is up to each person to make their own decisions, but to be able to do that, they need to fully understand the full nature of this critter to be able to decide whether to take it home with them. This is why I was asking you what redeeming quality that you found in them, that made it worth the hassle? Maybe I am being a bit unfair in asking anyone to pinpoint their thoughts in this fashion, but I prefer to learn from someone else's experience, rather than my own when possible.

You know, I'm the kind of person is usually called a perfectionist. I like knowing how things work and do not limit myself only what I read. So I bought this hybrid hdd. After reading all the articles I quoted, I wanted to see if I agreed with its contents. After all, we live in a world where some money can change the course of ideals. Since the configuration of my system was different from those presented in the articles, I had to avail myself of mathematics to see if my test scores were equivalent to those achieved by them. And they were equivalent. So, I could live it in practice. I am not a professional in the category "hardware test" and do not intend to be. I've had and I have different HDDs' brands. And as I work with computer maintenance, I could see that the rate of problems related to Seagate HDDs was lower than the rates of Samsung and WD - math again. So I opted for the Seagate HDDs. As I said earlier, as a perfectionist, Seagate was the one that better fit my expectations. It is worth mentioning that the rate of return on computers manufactured by me fell to 0% when related to HDDs issues after I migrated to Seagate.
I agree when you say that people have to know all the complexity of the criteria adopted for the conception of an idea or an article. But I call your attention to the fact that each one of us is an individuality, a unique and with unique views of the things we experience. And I go further. Imagine, for example, two people living the same everyday realities in a single metropolis. One of them suffer from respiratory disease. The other do not. If we take into account the pollution of big cities, the first person is much more prone to die from respiratory diseases than the latter. But that does not mean conclusively that the first of them will die before of respiratory disease. As you can see, I could argue forever, but only based on my personal reality which, of course, is different from yours and from any other person of nearly seven billion on this planet. I know we learned when we understand the reality of other people. Much of that came at me. But those we have acquired on our own reality are the ones that really matter.
Strong hug!

 

[hjonesMCT]

Hi Alsisgevat! Love your new sig, btw

I just wanted to pop in and say there is an awesome brand of 3D monitor out there called iZ3D. They stopped making monitors due to lack of interest (!!!!) but they are AWESOME. I owned a 22" one when I played WoW for a while... let me say, it was amAZING. It has two screens overlaid on top of each other so it looks like one, but that's what makes it 3D. And it does require special glasses... you can't really get away from that. But for how amazing it was and how adjustable and customizable the viewing features were, you can't really go wrong.

I had to get rid of mine in favor of a 24" Dell to better facilitate dual monitors for VM testing not nearly as fun!

You can probably find one on eBay, no problem.

Best,

Heather

 

[Layback Bear]

May I join the conversation? I too have been looking into this new hybrid hard drive. Their is a lot of new post on many sites along with reviews. Over the years I have gained trust in a few of these sites. Some reviews at time seem to me that they are bought and paid for on other sites. It is kind of like Brand names one gains trust in. Like many I belong to different forums for different reasons. I focus on reliability as my number one object. The reliability of brands I have used and the forums and their members. That is why I belong to this forum. Having the fastest computer today that doesn't work tomorrow doesn't impress me. Things about the new Hybrid I have question about are; can you defrag it or should you because it is solid state and disc all built into one? Will it play well with a ssd? If the hybrid is in raid with a plain hdd will it slow down to the plain hdd their for you wouldn't be able to use what you have paid for. I have ordered a intel ssd 120gb because intel is a brand I trust for reliability. When I do order another hard drive (non ssd) it will be a Seagate because I trust them. In today's computers the hdd is the slowest of all the read/wrigh components so a ssd is a wise buy if one is trying to speed things up. If one is doing spread sheets, Excel, checking your email and things like that it would be a wast of money IMHO. To answer the OP question; my understanding is when gaming you will see a lot more speed in your games. Check out your favorite Gaming sits and forums. You will notice on these sites it's all about speed and gaming. Notice I have not suggested which sites to go to, that is your choice. I have made mine that is why I am a member here. I have just ordered #2000.00 in parts for a new computer. I researched for over a month (many many hours) and I decided in a ssd from intel. Keep doing your research and don't get in a hurry.
Please let us know what you decide.

 

[Alsisgevat]

Hi Alsisgevat! Love your new sig, btw

I just wanted to pop in and say there is an awesome brand of 3D monitor out there called iZ3D. They stopped making monitors due to lack of interest (!!!!) but they are AWESOME. I owned a 22" one when I played WoW for a while... let me say, it was amAZING. It has two screens overlaid on top of each other so it looks like one, but that's what makes it 3D. And it does require special glasses... you can't really get away from that. But for how amazing it was and how adjustable and customizable the viewing features were, you can't really go wrong.

I had to get rid of mine in favor of a 24" Dell to better facilitate dual monitors for VM testing not nearly as fun!

You can probably find one on eBay, no problem.

Best,

Heather

Haha Thanx Heather,I am pretty proud of this sig.But i will gladly overpay for a 3d screen,aslong as it looks the same as my samsung( the see trough type corners thing) i think it is a necessity to have more than one screen(personally) and with that in mind i was hoping for the second to be a 3D one...

My problem is paying that much for a ssd...if i don't really need one...

 

[Alsisgevat]

May I join the conversation? I too have been looking into this new hybrid hard drive. Their is a lot of new post on many sites along with reviews. Over the years I have gained trust in a few of these sites. Some reviews at time seem to me that they are bought and paid for on other sites. It is kind of like Brand names one gains trust in. Like many I belong to different forums for different reasons. I focus on reliability as my number one object. The reliability of brands I have used and the forums and their members. That is why I belong to this forum. Having the fastest computer today that doesn't work tomorrow doesn't impress me. Things about the new Hybrid I have question about are; can you defrag it or should you because it is solid state and disc all built into one? Will it play well with a ssd? If the hybrid is in raid with a plain hdd will it slow down to the plain hdd their for you wouldn't be able to use what you have paid for. I have ordered a intel ssd 120gb because intel is a brand I trust for reliability. When I do order another hard drive (non ssd) it will be a Seagate because I trust them. In today's computers the hdd is the slowest of all the read/wrigh components so a ssd is a wise buy if one is trying to speed things up. If one is doing spread sheets, Excel, checking your email and things like that it would be a wast of money IMHO. To answer the OP question; my understanding is when gaming you will see a lot more speed in your games. Check out your favorite Gaming sits and forums. You will notice on these sites it's all about speed and gaming. Notice I have not suggested which sites to go to, that is your choice. I have made mine that is why I am a member here. I have just ordered #2000.00 in parts for a new computer. I researched for over a month (many many hours) and I decided in a ssd from intel. Keep doing your research and don't get in a hurry.
Please let us know what you decide.

That was smart. See I honestly never heard of a hybrid, personally i would (if ssd's are worth it) buy the best ssd i can afford,because,if it's not gonna be a good make or perform way better than lets say a normal 6gig a second hardrive,then it seems like a waste of money, so I agree, Lots of research before purchase,thats why i posted this, Where better to get the best advice then from the friendly crew at windows 7 forums

 

[Alsisgevat]

Wallon7

Thank you,was hoping for that type of answer, what do you mean when you asy the imige quility will be different with 2 different screens? Will I be able to add a second screen even if its full LED and lets say LG make and 5000000:1 contrast and so on, and lets say my original screen is lcd,10000:1 contrast and um... 17 inch and not hd and so on...will it work?

 

[Alsisgevat]

Seekermeister

Dood,you should be in politics,you shore know how to debate.hehe
Thanx for you input, i don't wan't to get the hybrid,i am looking for a ssd,i just wanted to know if they are worth the high costs,i don't know the prices of them oversees,but they are roughly the price of a descent ati gfx card here,so its a little ruff for me,you know?

 

[Zepher]

Are you planning on adding a second screen to extend the desktop? If so, then you can use any monitor that you like.
If you were wanting to run 3 or more screens for gaming, like Eyefinity or Surround, then you would want all of them to be the same resolution.
they can be different resolutions, but the monitor group will be set to the lowest resolution monitor.
Example, I have 3 screens, 1440x900, 1920x1080, 1920x1080. When I use Eyefinity, I am limited by the 1440 monitor so my group will be 4320x900 (1440x3=4320), which means that my middle and right screen won't be running in their native resolutions which lowers image quality.

Running in Extended Desktop mode, each screen runs at it's native resolution and games will run on my middle screen.

 

[Layback Bear]

Whether a ssd is worth it is ones own choice. If for what ever reason one wants to speed up a computer and one has a fast new CPU and RAM and a woop assss video card the next step is ssd. Speed always cost money in cars, boats, plains or a computer. The choice is up to whom ever is spending the money. I or nobody else can tell the OP if it worth it. It's his/hers choice. You either need speed or want speed, either way it cost more money.

 

[Alsisgevat]

Are you planning on adding a second screen to extend the desktop? If so, then you can use any monitor that you like.
If you were wanting to run 3 or more screens for gaming, like Eyefinity or Surround, then you would want all of them to be the same resolution.
they can be different resolutions, but the monitor group will be set to the lowest resolution monitor.
Example, I have 3 screens, 1440x900, 1920x1080, 1920x1080. When I use Eyefinity, I am limited by the 1440 monitor so my group will be 4320x900 (1440x3=4320), which means that my middle and right screen won't be running in their native resolutions which lowers image quality.

Running in Extended Desktop mode, each screen runs at it's native resolution and games will run on my middle screen.

Thanx so much, so I can get a nother screen,because i wan't to play on one,but internett and music on the other,and both will be 1920x1080p, but what about the full 3d clock problem thing?

 

[Zepher]

I wouldn't worry about the 3D clock thing. I have been using multiple screens for over 10 years and don't have any issues.

 

[Wallonn7]

Wallon7

Thank you,was hoping for that type of answer, what do you mean when you asy the imige quility will be different with 2 different screens? Will I be able to add a second screen even if its full LED and lets say LG make and 5000000:1 contrast and so on, and lets say my original screen is lcd,10000:1 contrast and um... 17 inch and not hd and so on...will it work?

Are you planning on adding a second screen to extend the desktop? If so, then you can use any monitor that you like.
If you were wanting to run 3 or more screens for gaming, like Eyefinity or Surround, then you would want all of them to be the same resolution.
they can be different resolutions, but the monitor group will be set to the lowest resolution monitor.
Example, I have 3 screens, 1440x900, 1920x1080, 1920x1080. When I use Eyefinity, I am limited by the 1440 monitor so my group will be 4320x900 (1440x3=4320), which means that my middle and right screen won't be running in their native resolutions which lowers image quality.

Running in Extended Desktop mode, each screen runs at it's native resolution and games will run on my middle screen.

You're welcome!
I had quoted Zepher's post because he gave the answer to your question before I could.

 

[Alsisgevat]

I wouldn't worry about the 3D clock thing. I have been using multiple screens for over 10 years and don't have any issues.

Thats great!!Thanx I realy apreciate it. Well this thread is solved, i will firts spend my money on another screen,then a nother gtx580 and then the final ssd!!

Thanx to all! I repped where I could.

 

[seavixen32]

I wouldn't worry about the 3D clock thing. I have been using multiple screens for over 10 years and don't have any issues.

Thats great!!Thanx I realy apreciate it. Well this thread is solved, i will firts spend my money on another screen,then a nother gtx580 and then the final ssd!!

Thanx to all! I repped where I could.

Very pleased to hear your problem has been resolved and thanks for letting us know.