SSD Prices In A Free Fall

[Layback Bear]

My opinion is if you use a Samsung and/or a Intel you most likely will not have problems.

Anything can fail but I use both those brands and have have no problem.

 

[mjf]

Usually, if not always, when a SSD dies, the data is gone.

I'm not so sure. There are recovery services on offer. The NAND memory chips could possibly still be accessed.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

It's doubtful a company would want to spend the time and money to try to access any data that still may be on the SSD.

 

[Indianatone]

I have 3 x 256 GB Toshiba SSD's and they have been 100% reliable. I hammer my 2 and Tammy does not do much to upset hers. Toshiba are one of the biggest memory companies in the world. I also have 5 Kingston 120 GB drives and a Crucial 256 GB I put in Tammy's laptop. All of them have been absolutely fine. The scare stories are most likely being put out by hard drive manufacturers who long term can see their market going away completely. A 3 or 4 TB SSD is way out there in the orbit for pricing for now but if they were $100 you would get one. SSD's are shock resistant and they use very little power and are silent. You drop you external HD and it is done unless you are very lucky. It would not affect an SSD. All the nonsense of power being removed from them causing failure is just another scare tactic.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I just read in the latest Maximum PC that a 6TB SSD has been announced. Late last year or early this year, some one at Intel predicted SSDs would be up to 10TB in two years. Considering how fast they have been going from 1 TB to 6TB so far, we might see a 10TB SSD by the end of the year. It will take a while before the prices come down, though. You can buy a 4TB SSD right now, though, for a mere $5649.99.

Most development seems to be for faster SSDs. AHCI and SATA III are too slow and inefficient for SSDs so NVMe and M.2 or PCIe are the standards for the faster SSDs. Many MOBOs already have M.2 on them and they are starting to come out with MOBOs that will support NVMe. We already have M.2 and PCIe SSDs. Consumer SSDs with NMVe aren't far off.

What I don't understand is AHCI and SATA III are plenty fast for storage so, instead of spending a lot of time trying to cram multiple TBs into a 2.5" form factor, why doesn't someone come up with a multiple TB SSD in a 3.5" form factor? Computers and servers already have 3.5" HDD bays that these puppies could drop right into.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...All the nonsense of power being removed from them causing failure is just another scare tactic.

Up to a point. If they set on a shelf long enough, the charge in the cells will eventually bleed off. In most consumer SSDs, that could take somewhere north of a year.

 

[mjf]

...All the nonsense of power being removed from them causing failure is just another scare tactic.

Up to a point. If they set on a shelf long enough, the charge in the cells will eventually bleed off. In most consumer SSDs, that could take somewhere north of a year.

The US NIST will come out with recommendations eventually but I think technology is advancing too rapidly for these open Gov standards bodies to be up to date.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep I'll probably pick up a couple more 250gb Samsung 850 pro evo's soon
99.us isn't bad at all.

 

[MilesAhead]

Yep I'll probably pick up a couple more 250gb Samsung 850 pro evo's soon
99.us isn't bad at all.

If you find the weight too heavy to carry, say by one drive(where have I heard that name before? Hmmm ) just lob it on over. I hate to see a forum friend in distress. :devil:

 

[ThrashZone]

:roflmao:
That's where the dual ssd hot swap evo case comes in mighty handy

 

[MilesAhead]

:roflmao:
That's where the dual ssd hot swap evo case comes in mighty handy

Dang!

heh heh

 

[ThrashZone]

I do however have a mx100 128gb ssd doing nothing right now
I was going to put my new builds 7 os on it but didn't want to do it that way and just got a 500gb ssd Samsung 850 pro evo and put it on that instead
I split it in half and I'll put games and files on the other half
500gb for 169.us isn't bad either

The other 2-250gb's are for 8.1 and win-10 which i'm in no hurry to do either.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Yep I'll probably pick up a couple more 250gb Samsung 850 pro evo's soon
99.us isn't bad at all.

If you find the weight too heavy to carry, say by one drive(where have I heard that name before? Hmmm ) just lob it on over. I hate to see a forum friend in distress. :devil:

:roflmao:You are such a good friend!

 

[MilesAhead]

Yep I'll probably pick up a couple more 250gb Samsung 850 pro evo's soon
99.us isn't bad at all.

If you find the weight too heavy to carry, say by one drive(where have I heard that name before? Hmmm ) just lob it on over. I hate to see a forum friend in distress. :devil:

:roflmao:You are such a good friend!

I try to be there when it matters most.

 

[Scottyboy99]

Interesting read. When I get a new machine I will prob go for a 1 TB SSD. And a larger secondary spinner. Unfortunately my current PC is a single spinner and my iTunes library is large. I need a large SSD so I can just copy and paste the iTunes file onto C and all the files are in same location.

My current spinner on the Alienware laptop is one horrible booter. Almost 2 minutes just to reach windows. As it was a possible nightmare getting a conventional SSD into it (I wish I'd bought one when I ordered!) without compromising my windows install (single partition) I looked into cache SSDs. I found OCZ synapse 128gb drive (64 available due to over provisioning). I installed it and then the dataplex software once in windows. It keeps the caching SSD hidden and moves ' hot ' data onto the SSD. I have had it three years and it takes a fair old pummelling usage wise but is still going real strong. It's not as fast as a proper SSD but gives great SSD performance across the entire 750 gb storage on the main drive as it learns your patterns. My boot went down to about 25 seconds. And once in windows it's not sluggish as it continues to load, internet explorer open straight away and ready to use. I don't think the cache SSD drives are all that common now but I wanted to share my experience. The only annoyance can be in the event of an unclean shutdown, the dataplex software and the way it interacts with the spinner / SSD needs windows to shut down properly as it can mess up if it hasn't had chance to write back properly. Luckily I have not had much issue as power cuts won't disrupt a laptop that has battery fall back. The one time I did have a small issue wear I had to force shutdown on power button dataplex detected there had been unclean shutdown on the next boot and a utility ran to restore the cache. I don't know exactly what it did but ten minutes later all was done and I was back in business with no lingering side effect

If these type of drives are still available I can recommend them for windows 7 fully. Unfortunately dataplex is now part of a buy out so they never released dataplex for windows 8 but I have heard it still works on that OS. Not that it bothers me as I wouldn't touch windows 8 with a barge pole!!!

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Interesting read. When I get a new machine I will prob go for a 1 TB SSD. And a larger secondary spinner. Unfortunately my current PC is a single spinner and my iTunes library is large. I need a large SSD so I can just copy and paste the iTunes file onto C and all the files are in same location...

Why not keep your music files on a spinner? I don't use iTunes but both my mp3s and the .wave files are on one of my spinners and the player I use—MediaMonkey—resides in a program folder on the C: drive. By keeping all my data on the spinners, I'm able to use a 128GB SSD with plenty of room to spare.

 

[NoN]

Interesting read. When I get a new machine I will prob go for a 1 TB SSD. And a larger secondary spinner. Unfortunately my current PC is a single spinner and my iTunes library is large. I need a large SSD so I can just copy and paste the iTunes file onto C and all the files are in same location.

My current spinner on the Alienware laptop is one horrible booter. Almost 2 minutes just to reach windows. As it was a possible nightmare getting a conventional SSD into it (I wish I'd bought one when I ordered!) without compromising my windows install (single partition) I looked into cache SSDs. I found OCZ synapse 128gb drive (64 available due to over provisioning). I installed it and then the dataplex software once in windows. It keeps the caching SSD hidden and moves ' hot ' data onto the SSD. I have had it three years and it takes a fair old pummelling usage wise but is still going real strong. It's not as fast as a proper SSD but gives great SSD performance across the entire 750 gb storage on the main drive as it learns your patterns. My boot went down to about 25 seconds. And once in windows it's not sluggish as it continues to load, internet explorer open straight away and ready to use. I don't think the cache SSD drives are all that common now but I wanted to share my experience. The only annoyance can be in the event of an unclean shutdown, the dataplex software and the way it interacts with the spinner / SSD needs windows to shut down properly as it can mess up if it hasn't had chance to write back properly. Luckily I have not had much issue as power cuts won't disrupt a laptop that has battery fall back. The one time I did have a small issue wear I had to force shutdown on power button dataplex detected there had been unclean shutdown on the next boot and a utility ran to restore the cache. I don't know exactly what it did but ten minutes later all was done and I was back in business with no lingering side effect

If these type of drives are still available I can recommend them for windows 7 fully. Unfortunately dataplex is now part of a buy out so they never released dataplex for windows 8 but I have heard it still works on that OS. Not that it bothers me as I wouldn't touch windows 8 with a barge pole!!!

I'm using SSD/HDD caching in Raid0 but with the embedded Intel software and its working pretty good at loading windows 7. Since its only caching in the SSD for me it doesn't matter if its crashing at stutdown, it does rebuild upon reboot and restore cached datas.

The only annoyance is that when i have to deep file checking or do a repair start up, i've to unmount the caching to have access to windows 7 with the recovery console tool.

Also got my music files on a spinner and i found it useful to put them apart, because the HDD can go to low power state when i'm not openning the library with Windows Media Player, but i'm not on laptop....

 

[OvenMaster]

Also, can you cite a source that supports encryption raising Cain with TRIM? This is the first I've heard of that.
(Original post 26 June 2015)

Finally found it. I had misplaced my FF bookmark. Sorry for the two month delay.

"Encrypted Volumes

Encrypted volumes and SSD drives don’t play well together due to the wear leveling
and performance issues described above. In many configurations, the crypto containers
will encrypt the entire space on the drive, including free space. This turns every
write on that disk into a re-write, which significantly slows down write performance
on SSDs. The manufacturers of crypto containers recognized the issue and introduced
ways (such us various configurations and advanced options) to mitigate the issue
by releasing unused space back to the SSD controller, which in turn weakens overall
security (as free unencrypted sectors are easy to tell).

If an encrypted volume of a fixed size is created, the default behavior is also
to encrypt the entire content of a file representing the encrypted volume, which
disables the effect of the TRIM command for the contents of the encrypted volume."


Why SSD Drives Destroy Court Evidence, and What Can Be Done About It | Forensic Focus - Articles

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Also, can you cite a source that supports encryption raising Cain with TRIM? This is the first I've heard of that.
(Original post 26 June 2015)

Finally found it. I had misplaced my FF bookmark. Sorry for the two month delay.

"Encrypted Volumes

Encrypted volumes and SSD drives don’t play well together due to the wear leveling
and performance issues described above. In many configurations, the crypto containers
will encrypt the entire space on the drive, including free space. This turns every
write on that disk into a re-write, which significantly slows down write performance
on SSDs. The manufacturers of crypto containers recognized the issue and introduced
ways (such us various configurations and advanced options) to mitigate the issue
by releasing unused space back to the SSD controller, which in turn weakens overall
security (as free unencrypted sectors are easy to tell).

If an encrypted volume of a fixed size is created, the default behavior is also
to encrypt the entire content of a file representing the encrypted volume, which
disables the effect of the TRIM command for the contents of the encrypted volume."


Why SSD Drives Destroy Court Evidence, and What Can Be Done About It | Forensic Focus - Articles

Thanks for the reply! Better late than never.