switching mobos without reinstalling windows 7

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the guy working on my computer wants to switch out motherboards and see if he can do it without having to reinstall windows 7. Is it possible? is it advisable?


switching from an MSI X58 Platinum SLI to an Asus X58 Sabertooth
 

My Computer

OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64bit
CPU
intel 17 920
Motherboard
MSI X58 Platinum
Memory
6GB DDR3 Patriot RAM
Graphics Card(s)
nvidia GTX 260
You´ll either need to SysPrep the HD on the old hardware so it will assuredly start up on the new hardware: SysPrep to move HD to another computer

or you´ll need to boot Paragon Adaptive Restore CD on the new hardware to prepare the old HD or its image to start on the new hardware.

There is a very slight possibility Win7 might start on the new hardware outright, but rarely..
 
You´ll either need to SysPrep the HD on the old hardware so it will assuredly start up on the new hardware: SysPrep to move HD to another computer

or you´ll need to boot Paragon Adaptive Restore CD on the new hardware to prepare the old HD or its image to start on the new hardware.

There is a very slight possibility Win7 might start on the new hardware outright, but rarely..

I'll pass this info on to him, thank you. I just don't want to have to reinstall all my programs again :P
 

My Computer

OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64bit
CPU
intel 17 920
Motherboard
MSI X58 Platinum
Memory
6GB DDR3 Patriot RAM
Graphics Card(s)
nvidia GTX 260
Here's my experience with not reinstalling Windows 7 for motherboard replacements:

My motherboard died about 5 weeks ago. I had no choice but to replace it. I went from one Intel/Asus motherboard and processor to another. (Asus P5Q Pro Turbo with Core2 Quad Q9300 to an Asus P8P67 ver. 3.0 and an Core i5-2500). The new board has DDR3, SATA III and USB 3.0. It also has a UEFI BIOS. The old board had VIA audio and the new one has Realtek. So it is still Intel, but quite different in many respects. I never even removed my hard drive from its bay. I had no problems. I had a little clean up to do to get rid of the old audio control panel. I did no repair install. Just booted right up except for one screen that asked me if I wanted to discard my settings (it never woke from hybrid sleep when the motherboard died). It has been 3 weeks and I'm posting from the computer in question. My typing is still lousy, but Windows 7 is fine. I did some clean up that I'm not going to go into detail about, but that was because I wanted to, not because it was unstable or blue screening or anything like that.

So my husband sees my speedy new rig and he decides his 4 year old stuff is getting pretty slow. But his change is even more dramatic. He goes from a dual core AMD processor on a board with an nVidia chipset to the same board and processor I got. He did have a SATA drive but he had never run it AHCI. He also cloned his drive using Acronis 2010 to a new 1TB SATA III drive. That was the only hang up. He forgot that he had to change that setting. When he changed it to IDE (the default is AHCI these days) he was able to boot. Again, no real problems. He just found a MS KB article about it, fixed the problem in Windows rebooted, set the SATA setting back to AHCI, and is now running just fine.

I'm not necessarily saying anyone should do it, but my experience is that you certainly could do it. No special prep other than backups were done. I didn't even get the chance to do a backup when my motherboard died, but I have a backup drive with daily backups in any case.

It just goes to show how very robust Windows 7 is. No blue screens. No hang ups. No flakiness. After all that Windows 7 can handle it. In fact I'm here and noticed this thread after a long hiatus because I came looking to see how many had experience with GPT and UEFI installs, but I'll save more of that for another thread. If I do a clean install it will be for that reason, not because I have to because of the major hardware change. BTW activation was a breeze. Of course the last time I activated this copy of Win 7 was nearly two years ago.

Before I forget, we are both running Professional. I'm 64 bit and he's sticking with 32 bit.

Now, I'm not recommending this. It may not work for you. If you try it and it doesn't work, don't blame me. I only have two data points here so proceed with caution. And always make sure you have current backups.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional x64
CPU
Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost)
Motherboard
ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.0)
Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws 4GB Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM (8GB total)
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 (integrated sound)
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VH242HL-P Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
WDC WD1001FALS Western Digital 1 Terabyte Black Caviar SATA II,
WDC WD15EADS-00P8B0 (WD-WMAVU0021908) Western Digital Elements 1.5 Terabyte USB external
PSU
Corsair HX520W
Case
LIAN LI PC-65B Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Case
Cooling
COOLER MASTER Vortex Plus RR-VTPS-28PK-R1 92mm
Keyboard
Logitech Wireless Desktop MK710
Mouse
Logitech Marathon Mouse M705
Internet Speed
1.6 Mbps down 200 kbps up (satellite, live in boonies)
Other Info
SH-S203N Samsung DVD+-RW with Lightscribe - SATA Optical Drive, Canon Pixma MX882 Wireless Office All-in-One Inkjet Printer, Altec Lansing VS2621 2.1 Channel Speaker System
The OS is on the HDD, i don't see how it will be impacted if you changed the motherboard. At work we swap dead motherboards all the time and no issues. But if your concerned, just do a system backup.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo ThinkPad T60
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
CPU
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) DuoCore T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Motherboard
Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family)
Memory
2.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset
Sound Card
SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ThinkPad Display
Screen Resolution
1400x1050
Hard Drives
100Gb SATA
Keyboard
Standard Keyboard
Mouse
HID-compliant Mouse
Internet Speed
Cable Broadband - 54Mbps
Other Info
Intel(R) PRO/1000 PL Network Connection
11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter
You are swapping out to the same mobo model? Because Win7 normally requires SysPrepping before it will start on significantly changed hardware. You can try it but keep the old hardware handy, or use Paragon Adaptive Restore CD on the new.

In addition, OEM licensing is lost due to the mobo change under the EULA and can not be expected to be restored unless MS Phone Activation makes a special exception as they are reported to be doing recently.
 
Hi gregrocker,

aem may be switching out like motherboards, but clearly my husband and I completely switched motherboards and a number of other components too, such as CPU's and RAM. I just wish I had more than 2 data points. If anyone else has successfully switched out motherboards without doing sysprep, I'd sure like to know. Maybe there are a lot more of us out here than anyone knows.

I tried it knowing I had backups and it worked.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional x64
CPU
Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost)
Motherboard
ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.0)
Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws 4GB Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM (8GB total)
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 (integrated sound)
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VH242HL-P Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
WDC WD1001FALS Western Digital 1 Terabyte Black Caviar SATA II,
WDC WD15EADS-00P8B0 (WD-WMAVU0021908) Western Digital Elements 1.5 Terabyte USB external
PSU
Corsair HX520W
Case
LIAN LI PC-65B Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Case
Cooling
COOLER MASTER Vortex Plus RR-VTPS-28PK-R1 92mm
Keyboard
Logitech Wireless Desktop MK710
Mouse
Logitech Marathon Mouse M705
Internet Speed
1.6 Mbps down 200 kbps up (satellite, live in boonies)
Other Info
SH-S203N Samsung DVD+-RW with Lightscribe - SATA Optical Drive, Canon Pixma MX882 Wireless Office All-in-One Inkjet Printer, Altec Lansing VS2621 2.1 Channel Speaker System
If you sysprep Machine A, and used the image on Machine B (with a change of motherboard or any changes o hardware) i don't think it will work. Any changes to hardware will have to be very small to have any chance of it working. A change in motherboard would be a quite a big change.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo ThinkPad T60
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
CPU
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) DuoCore T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Motherboard
Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family)
Memory
2.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset
Sound Card
SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ThinkPad Display
Screen Resolution
1400x1050
Hard Drives
100Gb SATA
Keyboard
Standard Keyboard
Mouse
HID-compliant Mouse
Internet Speed
Cable Broadband - 54Mbps
Other Info
Intel(R) PRO/1000 PL Network Connection
11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter
SysPrep is for moving the OS to other hardware whether in single or large deployments. That is it's function.

Part of me work is creating sysprep images for the various laptops and desktops. This is not true (or so what i have discovered).

A sysprep image for a laptop will nto work on a desktop that is with different hardware.

As for the mobo switching, depending on how different it is, you may need to reinstall drivers at the very least if it even work at all.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo ThinkPad T60
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
CPU
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) DuoCore T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Motherboard
Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family)
Memory
2.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset
Sound Card
SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ThinkPad Display
Screen Resolution
1400x1050
Hard Drives
100Gb SATA
Keyboard
Standard Keyboard
Mouse
HID-compliant Mouse
Internet Speed
Cable Broadband - 54Mbps
Other Info
Intel(R) PRO/1000 PL Network Connection
11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter
How does the SysPrepped OS differentiate between a laptop and desktop?

How would you install drivers if the OS will not start?

Paragon Adaptive Restore will inject the drivers, but so will Win7 once the conflicting drivers are removed. It is the conflict of old hardware drivers attempting to start, along with incorrect SID which causes Win7 to not start on new hardware most times. That's why SysPrep and PAR remove the old drivers, PAR injects new, but they both remove activation, SID and HID which combine to make the start fail at boot animation.

An expert on this is Kari who wrote the tutorial, so I will ask him to discuss it with you.
 
I have a sysprep'd Latitude E6420 image and will attempt to use that against a Lattitude D630. Different laptop. Will let you know. I will then use the same image on a Desktop machine.

Btw it's Win XP.

Update: Device Manager showed missing drivers for

Ethernet Controller
SM Bus Controller
Unknow Device
Unknow Device
Video Controller
video Controll (VGA Compatible)

From above errors, these are built in devices. A change in mobo will definately effect the image.

As previously mentioned, sysprep image will be make and model specific. Hardware independent would be Machine A, Machine B, Machine C etc, but all are the same make and model.
 
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My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo ThinkPad T60
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
CPU
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) DuoCore T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Motherboard
Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family)
Memory
2.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset
Sound Card
SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ThinkPad Display
Screen Resolution
1400x1050
Hard Drives
100Gb SATA
Keyboard
Standard Keyboard
Mouse
HID-compliant Mouse
Internet Speed
Cable Broadband - 54Mbps
Other Info
Intel(R) PRO/1000 PL Network Connection
11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter
With respect, I am either misunderstanding you, Aem, or we are talking about different things.

When SysPrep is used with Generalize switch, it does exactly what the switch says: it generalizes the sysprepped image. This is an extract from the tutorial referred earlier in this thread, but this part of the tutorial is a direct quote from Microsoft:

   Note
What does Sysprep generalizing do to my Windows 7 setup?
  • All system specific information is removed or uninstalled
  • Security ID (SID) of your hardware setup is reseted
  • All system restore points are deleted
  • All event logs are deleted
  • All personalization is removed (taskbar, toolbars, folder options, start orb etc.)
  • Built-in administrator account is disabled (if it was enabled) and needs to be re-enabled if needed

What happens when booting first time after sysprep generalizing?
  • First boot configuration is run
  • New SID is created
  • Re-arm counter is reseted if not already re-armed three times
  • Windows 7 is booted using first boot default drivers and settings

Sysprep with Generalize switch is especially meant to be used when deploying images to different hardware setups. To borrow Greg's words: That's its function. Hardware independent deployment.

Kari
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP ENVY 17-1150eg
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64 EN-GB
CPU
1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
Memory
6 GB
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
Sound Card
Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
Monitor(s) Displays
17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
Screen Resolution
1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
Hard Drives
Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media
Cooling
As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
Keyboard
Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth)
Mouse
Logitech Performance Mouse MX
Internet Speed
50/10 Mbps VDSL
Antivirus
Windows Defender 4.3.9431.0
Browser
Maxthon 3.5.2., IE11
Hi Kari, I looked at your Tutorial and unless my eyes are deceiving me you have left out the capturing of the image after the sysprep. Was this intentional?

I was of the thought that you would use imagex to capture the image and then deploy that image to another machine. Another machine means another physical machine of the same type not another make and model.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo ThinkPad T60
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
CPU
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) DuoCore T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Motherboard
Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family)
Memory
2.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset
Sound Card
SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ThinkPad Display
Screen Resolution
1400x1050
Hard Drives
100Gb SATA
Keyboard
Standard Keyboard
Mouse
HID-compliant Mouse
Internet Speed
Cable Broadband - 54Mbps
Other Info
Intel(R) PRO/1000 PL Network Connection
11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter
I left it out intentionally. Basically, it was / is meant to be a "poor man's deployment tool" ;), with everything done with tools natively included in Windows 7 without additional downloads and installs, as simple as possible.

Generalizing removes all hardware specific data and resets the SID. When this image is then booted, it's a full and complete OOBE boot, mostly using general drivers.

I have transferred Windows 7 setup from Sony Vaio laptop to HP Envy laptop using this method without a single issue. Screenshots in my tutorial are from a HP Pavilion laptop image generalized and moved to a self assembled desktop.

Kari
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP ENVY 17-1150eg
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64 EN-GB
CPU
1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
Memory
6 GB
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
Sound Card
Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
Monitor(s) Displays
17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
Screen Resolution
1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
Hard Drives
Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media
Cooling
As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
Keyboard
Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth)
Mouse
Logitech Performance Mouse MX
Internet Speed
50/10 Mbps VDSL
Antivirus
Windows Defender 4.3.9431.0
Browser
Maxthon 3.5.2., IE11
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