The Next Five-Year Plan

CFjohnny55

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It starts in January of 2020 with the end of Microsoft support, callously cut-off, ruthless business model. Good, I like it that way. No hard feelings at all, just winners and losers in the end.



Can this renegade era for recalcitrant Windows 7 users lead to a bridge with Linux? We know not to turn to Microsoft! We are not the mercenaries who will blindly 'follow the money' regardless of who has it, or can control it. The only innocent left in the computer game, is and has been for forty years, is UNIX and Linux.
We can thank AT&T for creating UNIX, and then for giving away the complete specification for a true OS to the world. Compromise has lead us to where we are now. The last hopes of Digital Equipment Corporation, VMS and the AXP, where bungled by Microsoft and Intel. Intel was busted as a blatant, and bungling, thief. As for Microsoft, well they did all that they could under limited circumstances, and it is over. Can we help to empower the Linux community during these five years of betrayal to the mother company? There will no quarter shown for us when 2025 arrives. Don't get mad -- Get ready.
 

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Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
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better than average, I suppose...
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OEM
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4-to-8GB, depending
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I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
If you granted me the indulgence of just reading my opening remarks, then I am already in your debt.
 

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Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
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IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
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decent enough for me
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a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
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Internet Speed
slack
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AVG, MSE
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FIREFOX
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I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
"ruthless business model" FFS

You do realize they offered everybody a free upgrade?
 

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Windows 11

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Laptop
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Fujitsu LIFEBOOK
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Win 7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
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Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU P6200 @ 2.13GHz
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FUJITSU FJNBB06
Memory
4.00 GB
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Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator HD
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[1] Realtek High Definition Audio [2] Intel(R) Display Audio
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1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 59 Hz
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TOSHIBA MK5076GSX
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AVG FREE
I did have a concern about that appendage, and I thank you for pointing it out. I stand corrected, but the post must stand as is. I cannot retract a statement I have made in the public forum and still call myself above some crawling life form.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
To address each of you gentlemen, let me say this to z3r010. I do not believe in 'free' (economics). And this to Paul Black, repetitions are the simplest of nature's patterns.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
Now we know why Win10 was free. And enough people are being charged for new copies to make up for the free ones. I had XP on my 2 machines, couldn't upgrade.

You know the joke about a camel being an animal designed by a committee?

I have no problem. Keeping 7 on all my machines.
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6-2020t
OS
Win 7 Ult 64-bit
CPU
G620 2.6GHZ Pentium R
Memory
6 GB
Monitor(s) Displays
25" HPLV2311
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
1 SATA, 1 exterior SATA
Case
HP
Cooling
PSU
Antivirus
Glasswire
Browser
Waterfox; Firefox; Chrome for work
Other Info
Firewall--Glasswire
Similar specs in Gateway DX4200
Verizon FIOS Wired network

1 other Win7 computer-- has SSD
D'accord, Ro@Win7! (What a shame about the bombers' management in the ALCS. Only umpires may invoke the rain-delay rule.)
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
You're not going to see big Linux displays and posters in the computer stores or ads on TV. Most Windows users have never heard of it. It's unfortunate :-( We can promote it online and through our PC user groups.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6-2020t
OS
Win 7 Ult 64-bit
CPU
G620 2.6GHZ Pentium R
Memory
6 GB
Monitor(s) Displays
25" HPLV2311
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
1 SATA, 1 exterior SATA
Case
HP
Cooling
PSU
Antivirus
Glasswire
Browser
Waterfox; Firefox; Chrome for work
Other Info
Firewall--Glasswire
Similar specs in Gateway DX4200
Verizon FIOS Wired network

1 other Win7 computer-- has SSD
I cannot disagree. I heard some remark on the news about MS wanting desperately to control Linux-world, and the top Linux people were not concerned. The likes of DJ Delorie cannot be bought, and the future seems to be the hands of this 1% club. We can join with them and bring users with open minds, and a bitter taste in their mouths, as we learn about this brave new world they are creating, and all of it is free by mandate! I do have a Debian-laptop and even Firefox is not allowed to use either its logo (fox over globe) or its name as they are trade-marked! So, it is called 'IceWeasal' in pristine fashion. Open software seems impossible to a MS-based mindset. Skype would have been a world-wide revolution in user telecommunication, but when 8 devoted and talented programmers are offered 8 Billion Dollars ... they cannot refuse a 'rags to riches overnight transform', and so Skype was lost to us all.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
Haven't used Skype lately. Is it down the tubes since MS bought it?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6-2020t
OS
Win 7 Ult 64-bit
CPU
G620 2.6GHZ Pentium R
Memory
6 GB
Monitor(s) Displays
25" HPLV2311
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
1 SATA, 1 exterior SATA
Case
HP
Cooling
PSU
Antivirus
Glasswire
Browser
Waterfox; Firefox; Chrome for work
Other Info
Firewall--Glasswire
Similar specs in Gateway DX4200
Verizon FIOS Wired network

1 other Win7 computer-- has SSD
When it was consumed by MS at this obscene value 8 years ago it was the hottest thing in global telecom. A cousin of mine used it to stay 'in touch' with her kids at home from work. She called it, "The only thing from 'The Jetsons' that actually came to be for real." Imagine a planet where all women could see their kids, and their kids were delighted to be seen by Mom, with child like ease at a laptop. Where would such a technology naturally go? And has Skype stayed on its most likely outcome curve? It would be a revolution of such magnitude that world-wide telecom traffic would zoom to saturation within, say, 3 years. The huge morass of digital telephone signals would quickly overwhelm any data gathering apparatus set up as national security.
Mine is just one 'thumbnail analysis' of many, and so you must choose what analytic conclusion that you most believe in. And when you have made your choice, believe in it! It is a free and fair world by design.
 
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My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
"ruthless business model" FFS

You do realize they offered everybody a free upgrade?

More like a downgrade. And you paid a "price".
 

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Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
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IE11
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LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Lady Fitzgerald -- You must be a member of the Kitchen Table Economic Policy Analysis Group.
Indeed, everything in life has a value and a price. But some people still believe in free, and I do not dispute them, but I do not believe there is any 'free'. There is however, cheap, where cheap means good value for a low price, and not inherently low quality. I suppose there is good cheap and bad cheap, but there ain't no free. You can quote me on that sentence.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
Well, everybodies know nothing is free in the business concern and an upgrade offer is certainly not free either (devoid of interest, let's say).

Now the question is, how is your habilities to not or agree falling onto/into the supposed trick behind the shiny facade. May I or not?
 
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PC/Desktop
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Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
CPU
Ivy Bridge Core i5 3570K (Delidded)
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS
Memory
G.Skill "Ares" DDR3 PC3-12800 - 1600MHz (16Gb)
Graphics Card(s)
Asus Dual-RX480-O4G
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster Z w/5.1 sound system
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus IPS 23"
Screen Resolution
16/9
Hard Drives
Internal:
500Go Sata 6Gb/s (x2)
500Go Sata 3Gb/s (x2)
SSD 60Go Sata 6Gb/s
PSU
In Win C 900W Series 80+ Platinum
Case
Thermaltake Chaser A71
Cooling
Custom Water Cooling Loop
Keyboard
Cooler Master QuickFire XTi
Mouse
Razer Imperator 2012 (4G)
Antivirus
MSE
Browser
IE 11.0.xxx Rtm
Other Info
"Raid0" with Intel Smart Response Technology (HDD/SSD)
Yours is a good question, and I defer to some others to address it. I already post here too much!
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
That's just reach the free will, after some intense self-debates (with struggling mind effects). No need to picture me the final day of january 2020. :p
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
CPU
Ivy Bridge Core i5 3570K (Delidded)
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS
Memory
G.Skill "Ares" DDR3 PC3-12800 - 1600MHz (16Gb)
Graphics Card(s)
Asus Dual-RX480-O4G
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster Z w/5.1 sound system
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus IPS 23"
Screen Resolution
16/9
Hard Drives
Internal:
500Go Sata 6Gb/s (x2)
500Go Sata 3Gb/s (x2)
SSD 60Go Sata 6Gb/s
PSU
In Win C 900W Series 80+ Platinum
Case
Thermaltake Chaser A71
Cooling
Custom Water Cooling Loop
Keyboard
Cooler Master QuickFire XTi
Mouse
Razer Imperator 2012 (4G)
Antivirus
MSE
Browser
IE 11.0.xxx Rtm
Other Info
"Raid0" with Intel Smart Response Technology (HDD/SSD)
Will the dire wolf be coming then? :-) ... Do you feel lucky, or insecure?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
Aha...humm, at the moment riding in the spaceship Nostromo w/Alien. MS will have to wait because that movie had severals suite. But Ripley is a good soldier and will come back home once again the target safely parameter. That could mean an upgrade to your eyes? Why not!

Edit: I think already Sony and Pioneer announced their end of support for Windows 7 by January 14th...
 
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My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
CPU
Ivy Bridge Core i5 3570K (Delidded)
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS
Memory
G.Skill "Ares" DDR3 PC3-12800 - 1600MHz (16Gb)
Graphics Card(s)
Asus Dual-RX480-O4G
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster Z w/5.1 sound system
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus IPS 23"
Screen Resolution
16/9
Hard Drives
Internal:
500Go Sata 6Gb/s (x2)
500Go Sata 3Gb/s (x2)
SSD 60Go Sata 6Gb/s
PSU
In Win C 900W Series 80+ Platinum
Case
Thermaltake Chaser A71
Cooling
Custom Water Cooling Loop
Keyboard
Cooler Master QuickFire XTi
Mouse
Razer Imperator 2012 (4G)
Antivirus
MSE
Browser
IE 11.0.xxx Rtm
Other Info
"Raid0" with Intel Smart Response Technology (HDD/SSD)
It is said that the rats know when to desert a sinking ship. But who wants rats anyway? Yes, I am prepared. I have ONE Win10 machine that will be my lone presence on the Internet. The rest will run under that layer on a second network adapter. I won't need any 'Win 7 support', and Win 7 runs hot for me.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo M82, M58p; HP 8440 (micro-cluster/distributed)
OS
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
CPU
better than average, I suppose...
Motherboard
OEM
Memory
4-to-8GB, depending
Graphics Card(s)
DV, HDMI
Sound Card
n/a
Monitor(s) Displays
IBM ThinkVision; HP LV1911; HP 8440
Screen Resolution
decent enough for me
Hard Drives
a number of them, from 160GB to 2TB
Cooling
no need
Internet Speed
slack
Antivirus
AVG, MSE
Browser
FIREFOX
Other Info
I 'grew up' on the VAX/VMS technology of the 1980's,
where I fell in love with Micro-VAXclusters...
I actually own a working, full power VAXstation 2000!
(This machine was the first true engineering workstation.)
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