Solved The Transfer of OEM Licenses from a dead PC to Another PC

[NoelDP]

The OP is in the US - not Europe - and therefore can have no recourse to the EU rules, even if they have been enacted in the individual nations (which as far as I am ware is only the case in one country).

Cite a US court/federal/state law, and we may start coming together in this.

 

[SIW2]

I have no idea what the situation is in the US. Do you?

If you don't then why are you trying to worry the OP ?

He has contacted MS who told him it is fine.

End of story.

 

[SIW2]

even if they have been enacted in the individual nations

Where did you get that idea from? It from the court of Justice of the European Union. It is EU copyright law.

The Court of Justice interprets EU law to make sure it is applied in the same way in all EU countries.

I understand there are about 750 million of us in the Europe. EDIT : Not all are in the EU (yet). Other places would like to join, it seems, so you never know what it will be in few years.

Now you know why the software giants want to get everybody into subscribing.

They have tried to wrest ownership away by a variety of methods. including what is desrcribed by one Swiss company as "intimidation", as well as several long and expensive attempts in the courts to have software treated as "different" from everything else.

 

[NoelDP]

I give up - there's no point in continuing this.

 

[Kari]

I understand there are about 750 million of us in the EU.

Trivial information but that's about 50% too much, correct number is circa 507 million.

The Court of Justice of the European Union decision means that I am allowed to sell the media itself, regardless of in which form I have acquired it (CD, DVD, Flash Drive, ISO download etc.). That, of course, is only logical.

The license to use a program or OS installed from that media is then a totally different thing. In my opinion consumers and consumer organizations in EU are cutting the very branch they are sitting on; if the law really was changed so that regardless which license type you have bought, you could freely resell or reuse your OS, that would mark the end of cheaper OEM versions.

As a consumer I accept the fact that if I want to invest in full retail version of Windows, I can reuse and / or resell it, no questions asked, but if I want to save some money I can choose to buy a cheaper OEM version which (as I very well know and what is clearly written / told to me when I buy it) I am allowed to reinstall only to the same hardware.

Kari

 

[SIW2]

There is no change. It has always been that way.

When you buy an item, you get ownership of that item. You can therefore move/sell give away that item.

But only one because you only bought one. You can't sell multiple copies.

It is the same with everything - books, cars, etc. It is basic principle called the exhaustion principle.

That is what buying means.That is why it is different from renting. If they were the same, we wouldn't need two words.

If that were changed , there would be chaos.

It does not matter if it is called oem, retail or volume. You don't get the extra support with an oem copy, which is fair enough, hence the price difference.

 

[SIW2]

Re the number of people in the Eu,I just grabbed it from here, which is actually Europe as opposed to just the Eu.


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[Layback Bear]

Because of all the legal issues in the E.U. between OEM and Retail I believe one of them will go.
Microsoft being a company trying to make money the cheaper one will go.
Microsoft will make one Windows operating system and wright a new agreement and one price. The price will be a lot higher to all of us all over the world.
Microsoft has got to be tired of the court games in the E.U. so the rest of the world will have to also pay the price.

I buy OEM and I agreed to the terms knowing the limitations. I saved money.
I don't believe I will be able to save money in the future.
I don't understand agreeing to terms and living by them is such a problem.

If one wants the advantages of a Retail Windows then buy a Retail version and leave the rest of us around the world alone that are happy with OEM and the cheaper cost.

 

[Kari]

I buy OEM and I agreed to the terms knowing the limitations. I saved money.
I don't believe I will be able to save money in the future.
I don't understand agreeing to terms and living by them is such a problem.

My point exactly.

 

[SIW2]

LOL. Price is a marketing tool.

It is used to position products and maximise sales.

The ownership question is not new. It has always been that way. However, now it has been written down, more people will realise they have those rights. The EU court is absolutely correct.

The software giants will continue to try and get people into renting. That way they are in complete control.

The pricing of MS products will be the result of their attempts to get people into renting, and as a response to what Google and others are doing.

E.G. MS are about to give away the os to oems, purely to compete with Android.

 

[SIW2]

Nothing new about statutory or equivalent rights being unassailable.

E.G. There is a minimum wage in the UK.

Because people are desperate for work, it might be possible to get them to sign a contract to work for £1 an hour.

Not valid, of course. I expect you can see why.

Individual rights have to be protected.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Because of all the legal issues in the E.U. between OEM and Retail I believe one of them will go.
Microsoft being a company trying to make money the cheaper one will go.
Microsoft will make one Windows operating system and wright a new agreement and one price. The price will be a lot higher to all of us all over the world.
Microsoft has got to be tired of the court games in the E.U. so the rest of the world will have to also pay the price.

I buy OEM and I agreed to the terms knowing the limitations. I saved money.
I don't believe I will be able to save money in the future.
I don't understand agreeing to terms and living by them is such a problem.

If one wants the advantages of a Retail Windows then buy a Retail version and leave the rest of us around the world alone that are happy with OEM and the cheaper cost.

Absolutely agree with Layback I shall always buy OEM simply because the retail is so much more expensive and tied to one machine at a time anyway.
If I have problems then I can use the tutorial of Greg rocker to install.
Frankly what goes on in Europe is a ruddy joke and is not limited to Microsoft for example I sent my brother on the UK a machine I had built with Kaspersky installed and configured for him only to find that the version form out here will not work in the UK.
All in all the whole business reeks of greed and political interference.

 

[SIW2]

It does reek of greed.

That is why we should be grateful the EU court are standing up for the just principle of the transfer of ownership.

You should ask Kaspersky why their software does not work in different country? Are you sure of that? What are Kasperky playing at? If that is true, I would have nothing to do with Kaspersky. They will respond if the consumers vote with their wallets.

The fact you own something when you buy it is not new - unless you are from a different planet.

 

[Layback Bear]

I am not buying Windows 7. I am paying for the right to use Windows 7 according to the agreement I have with Microsoft. It is kind of a life time lease if both parties honor the agreement. Thinking that the public is to dumb to understand the agreement so government has to stick their big nose in it is wrong in my mind.
I also don't need the government telling me how to choose a web browser.

I'm quite sure the people of the E.U. can handle such things all by themselves.
I choose the operating system I want and conditions I'm willing to go by.
I choose the browser that I want
I choose the underwear I buy.
All without the governments help.

 

[SIW2]

You do what you like.

However, In Europe, when you buy something, you own it. That is all.

Because you own something, you can give it away or sell it. That doesn't mean you have to give it away or sell it. You have the choice. Nobody is telling you what to do.

I understand your point about pricing.

It might appear that a second hand market exerts downward pressure on the price manufacturers can charge for a new product. The second hand market is in effect, a form of competition for the new product.

It is saving government depts, mayor's offices, etc a fortune. That means it is saving taxpayers a fortune.

Simply - a thriving second hand market usually makes the new products cheaper.

Not sure it will have a huge effect on individual consumers, because the software giants are doing everything they can to move consumers away from owning into a rental model.

 

[Layback Bear]

We already had a rental plan.
One payment.
Use as long as you want to, just by abiding by the rental agreement.
We will probably end up with scheduled payments of some sort that will cost a lot more and be nothing but a bunch of extra work.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

You should ask Kaspersky why their software does not work in different country? Are you sure of that? What are Kasperky playing at? If that is true, I would have nothing to do with Kaspersky. They will respond if the consumers vote with their wallets.

Yep well I did and I couldn't understand the explanation except that it went on about regional differences which really doesn't make sense as I Google site sin Europe in fact everywhere so why known only to the people who make up the program.
Kaspersky in itself I wouldn't exchange for anything but it like anything else in a bit convoluted eh?

 

[SIW2]

We will probably end up with scheduled payments of some sort that will cost a lot more

Not necessarily.

The software giants will try and move people into a rental scheme, it gives them control and a continuous income stream.

They will not suddenly remove the stand alone products that you have been buying. They dare not do that because people would get alarmed about being forced into rental.

Instead, they will try and lure people by offering baubles and beads, and a heavy hitting propaganda/marketing campaign extolling the purported advantages.

It is possible for the vast majority to continue to do what they always have. They can still buy
the stand alone product. If enough people do, the consumers will have rejected the rental schemes, and the software giants will have to go with it.

It is up to the people.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

The software giants will try and move people into a rental scheme, it gives them control and a continuous income stream. ( I don't know how you enter quotes in those panels so am just copy / pasting)

but isn't that what we are doing now but on an annual basis? - well for the programs like security products for example.

Personally I think it all comes down to greed again and I can see it all starting to become a part of the have and have nots domain.

The inducement schemes happen already as we se with such products as food , luxury products (?furniture) and cars and it is usually inducements that are really just an undercut of the overall profit or something that ill only last for a year. A scheme that comes to mind is the buy on a four year plan with no interest and at first glance looks too goo to be true and in my mind usually is because the inducement pushes individuals into having more than they can actually afford or need.

I think some smart albeit quite unprincipled people made up those scheme ie licences for software and again music and DVD rights in order to drag in more financial gain than it is really worth. Basically means individuals have no rights only than to use products for themselves alone.

 

[Layback Bear]

It's up to the people. I like that and hope the idea stays with us.

I like it simple. 100% down and no payments.
I like the old fashion way.
Pay for it.
Then I would have a perfect DVD with a perfect COA.
Then I would just install it, register it and when done put the DVD and the COA in a nice little plastic case and save them hoping never to need them again.