UAC - (palm face)

[bleeb]

SOLVED - UAC - (palm face)

First of all let me say that I love Windows 7 and I'm not here to bash the OS by any means, but the UAC has got me wanting to shoot myself as of right now. It's quite ridiculous that I have to run EVERY application as an "admin."

This pretty much means that I can't have 1 single startup program or else it will not work correctly with the applications that I run as an administrator, which include just about everything on my system. From WoW to XFire they all have to be ran as an admin or they simply just won't start.

This boggles my brain that I have to manually start all my programs on startup because windows simply can't let me freely explore whatever software I want. If I wanted a babysitter to hold my hand as I consulted with every application I come in contact with I wouldn't be an admin, would I?

I guess my question is, is there a way around this? Perhaps just simply shutting it all off so I can have a normal computer experience?

Thanks for the replies in advance.

 

[ccatlett1984]

if it bothers you then turn it off.
open the control panel, then type "uac" in the search box at the top
just move the slider to change the setting.

 

[bleeb]

See I've done this, but it still won't start my applications.. the ONLY way it starts my program up is if I run it as an administrator, so I find it kind of weird that it won't start unless I run it as an admin.

 

[dmex]

See I've done this, but it still won't start my applications.. the ONLY way it starts my program up is if I run it as an administrator, so I find it kind of weird that it won't start unless I run it as an admin.

Hi Bleeb,

You need to restart after disabling UAC

Steven

 

[bleeb]

I will give the restart a try thank you.

 

[dmex]

I will give the restart a try thank you.

If it doesn't work, we'll check your token elevation type

 

[bleeb]

Didn't work, UAC is off, but WoW still will not start without being ran as admin. (I'm just using WoW as my demo program, many others require the same action)

Now with UAC off also, WoW won't start even if I choose, "Run as Administrator" I'm guessing this is because UAC is completely off and admin option doesn't exist.

 

[Dzomlija]

Sorry Bleeb, but you don't mention which programs it is you are trying to have startup with Windows whenever you login, except for WoW. The only help I can give to try prevent it from having to need "Run as Administrator" is for you to un-install WoW. then re-install it to some other folder other than "C:\Program Files (x86)" or "C:\Program Files".

When you get to the part of the installer that ask for the destination folder, set it to some user-created folder such as "C:\Games\World of Warcraft". This helps with most games.

Failing that, have you checked Blizzard's website for updates to WoW that may resolve this issue? Checking for updates for your other programs may also solve the problem for the others.

 

[dmex]

Now with UAC off also, WoW won't start even if I choose, "Run as Administrator" I'm guessing this is because UAC is completely off and admin option doesn't exist.

It still exists when UAC is disabled but doesn't really do anything...

I just wrote this tool for checking a fair few elevation types using a mix of C#/VB since Im a bit stretched for time... so if you want the source just drop me a PM (GetTokenInformation Function (Windows) // IsUserAnAdmin Function () // OpenProcessToken Function (Windows) ) plus a few more built into .Net.

Just upload a screenshot of the main window

Elevated:


Non-Elevated:


I didn't include a manifest so it doesn't auto-elevate, if its showing limited then try right-clicking and running as administrator.

The return values from these tests will help isolate the cause, being it either an API, GroupPolicy setting or the UAC driver itself causing the issues

Steven

 

[petrossa]

Now with UAC off also, WoW won't start even if I choose, "Run as Administrator" I'm guessing this is because UAC is completely off and admin option doesn't exist.

one thing that prevents a lot of hassle is to always right after a clean install take ownership,remove the permissions from Windows, Users and the Program Files folders and then add as sole permission either Admin, Username or Everyone.

This effectively negates all security features, but since they're crap anyway you're better off with topgrade heuristic anti-virus/invasion program.

 

[Joshatdot]

Create Shortcut, Properties, Advanced.. Run as administrator

 

[bleeb]

Ok I used the UAC tool you gave me. Here is the screenshot, it looks as though I'm not elevated.



I understand I can go under the advanced menu to Run as Admin, that's not my problem. I have to start Logitech SetPoint everytime I start up my computer since I have to run it as admin, or else it will not function with ANY program I'm not running as an admin, such as WoW. Like I said WoW is just the demo program I'm using as part of the problem.

If I try to load Xfire as non admin, the program "stops working," however if I load it as an admin, it magically works.

As for ownership, that's a good idea I suppose.. but how would one simply take ownership of every file and folder? From my understanding I already am lol. What you said struck me though, because the install I had before this never did any of this at all, but I made a clean install (deleted the partition and completely reinstalled the OS) and now I get this happening all the time lol.

As for putting the game in a different folder, I told WoW to install in C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft so I can pretty much outrule that since I've tried moving the folder to several different locations.

 

[petrossa]

As for ownership, that's a good idea I suppose.. but how would one simply take ownership of every file and folder?

Taking ownership alone is not enough. You also have to set the permissions. Certain permissions surpass all others. Trusted Installer for example. That's why you need to delete ALL permissions in the permissions tab as soon as you've taken ownership.

You do that by unticking the inheritable permissions box. After you've done that, you need to add Everyone as sole permission and give it full control.

WARNING! doing this negates all security features based on elevation rights.
GOOD THING! you aren't driven bonkers by the 'security' 'features'

 

[bleeb]

If what dmex has me do doesnt' work I'll go with your method petrossa, otherwise I'd like to wait for a reply from him :]

Thank you though, that would probably solve the problem, but I just want to see what he has to say.

 

[SoLoR]

What im having is using only built in admin account, all UAC problems GONE! well i hate UAC as well

 

[DrWho]

I guess that either my problem was not so severe, or I've applied the fix differently, but since I found the "Take Ownership" script, right here on this forum, I've had no more problems running anything I want.

Now as to the question concerning "How to take ownership of an entire folder",,,,
After installing T.O. and rebooting, I opened windows explorer and then opened the "Program Files" folder,,,,
and then I did a Ctrl+A to select everything in that folder,,,,
then I right-clicked on the selected group and then clicked on "Take Ownership".

Then the program scrolled through the entire folder, taking ownership of every file.

I repeated this scenerio for every folder in the PC that I wanted to be sure that I was the owner of. Now I never get any more of those obnoxious "You don't have permission to .........." messages.

Oh yes,,,, I permanently turned OFF UAC using a registry script.

Cheers Mates,
The Doctor

 

[petrossa]

If what dmex has me do doesnt' work I'll go with your method petrossa, otherwise I'd like to wait for a reply from him :]

Thank you though, that would probably solve the problem, but I just want to see what he has to say.

i bow to DMEX's superior knowledge with grace

 

[petrossa]

What im having is using only built in admin account, all UAC problems GONE! well i hate UAC as well

Trusted Installer > admin, at least the last time i looked but admittedly that has been a while. Got rid of UAC about 5 minutes after installing Vista for the first time.

 

[SoLoR]

Trusted Installer > admin

yep thats sadly true as well always bothers me when some registry keys for zipfolder are owned by this **** installer and erasing them takes way to long

 

[petrossa]

yep thats sadly true as well always bothers me when some registry keys for zipfolder are owned by this **** installer and erasing them takes way to long

if you use my system trusted installer doesn't exist anymore. Trusted bit my ass once to many times so i searched for ways to kill him (who trust someone who calls himself 'Trusted')