Solved W7-64 clean install will not boot without Windows DVD ?

[Johnson97]

Hi,


I previously had XP32 running from the first partition of an SSD.
I cleaned off the second partition, shrunk it down to 90GB, TRIM, and performed a clean install of W7-64 onto it. I allowed it to install only essential security updates during installation.
Now at boot it produces the message: NTLDR is missing, Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart


That is interesting because NTLDR is used to start XP, not W7.


Only when I boot with the W7 installation DVD in the drive, it boots correctly into the Boot Manager and gives me a choice of W7 (default) or XP.


I have gone searching for solutions, and here are the remedies that I have tried so far:


1. the W7 partition was not set as Active, so I set it as active. No change.
In Computer Management the W7 partition is now shown as Healthy, Boot, Page File, Active, Crash Dump, Primary Partition. The XP32 partition is shown as Healthy Primary Partition.


2. I booted from the install DVD, went into Repair, and selected the Repair Boot Config. The installer, however, could find no problems with the setup. I did this 3 times as someone wrote that was necessary. No change.


3. In the Bios, I had the boot order set as Removable, CD/DVD, Hard Disk. Someone said that they had success in solving this by making the Hard Disk the first boot device. So I changed the order to Hard Disk, CD/DVD, Removable. But it did not work. It just went straight into the NTLDR error. So I changed the order back.
Also in the Bios, the SSD is set as the first Hard Disk. There are 3 other hard disks in the machine, two with a partition with an older version of windows (1 XP, 1 W2K).


4. I reconfigured the drive letters so that the W7 partition is drive C: (it had been F: before), and the XP partition on the SSD as D:. No change.
(Interestingly, when I am in the Recovery Menu when I boot from CD/DVD, it still shows this disk as F
In diskpart it now shows the W7 partition, which is volume 7, as “Boot” under the column Info.


5. I renamed the boot config file, and forced Windows to rebuild it. That it did, but it did not solve the problem. (I forget the commands used, it was a late night last night!) No change.


6. I downloaded and installed EasyBCD 2.2. I carefully tried various things with it, possibly not correctly, but I have not been able to solve the problem.



Here is the current BCDEDIT output:
Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=H:
path \bootmgr
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
default {current}
displayorder {current}
{8fd2bac1-ed36-11e3-8c88-d3965a4805c6}
timeout 30


Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=C:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows 7 Home Premium
locale en-US
osdevice partition=C:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {650fb233-eceb-11e3-a0d7-806e6f6e6963}


Real-mode Boot Sector
---------------------
identifier {8fd2bac1-ed36-11e3-8c88-d3965a4805c6}
device partition=C:
path \NST\ntldr
description Microsoft Windows XP




If someone has another idea or something to try with BCDEDIT or EasyBCD I'm all ears. I don't want to go further installing application software etc until I get this to boot correctly.


Thank you in advance.

 

[dlc41]

When you installed Windows 7 did you boot from the DVD to install?

 

[Johnson97]

When you installed Windows 7 did you boot from the DVD to install?

Yes

 

[dlc41]

That's your problem. Here is a link to Microsoft instruction on install Dual Boot Windows.

Install more than one operating system (multiboot) - Windows Help

 

[Johnson97]

That's your problem. Here is a link to Microsoft instruction on install Dual Boot Windows.

Install more than one operating system (multiboot) - Windows Help

That's interesting - elsewhere I found exactly the opposite instruction, which is why I did it that way. There it said perform the install from within XP if you want to do an upgrade; boot from the DVD if you want to do a clean install into a new partition.

Now that it is installed, surely there is an edit of the BCD that would make it boot properly?

 

[dlc41]

Best thing I know of is EasyBCD. Here's the link. Non-commercial is free.

https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/

 

[Johnson97]

Best thing I know of is EasyBCD. Here's the link. Non-commercial is free.

https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/

Thanks - I had noticed this software, installed and tried it - see above.

But can anyone tell me specifically exactly what I should do with it in this situation?

 

[gregrocker]

You would not want to run the installer from XP as it would lock out the C drive letter from Win7 use.

Something about the disk configuration which might not be evident in the labels you reported is awry, so please post back a screenshot of Disk Management - Post a Screen Capture Image.

Something has kept the Win7 installer from updating the System boot files on XP partition which is what is done on same-disk dual boot XP/7. You're missing the System Flag entirely which means it won't write the boot files to either partition, or make either bootable without the DVD.

We've always been able to resolve this before by sorting the configuration as necessary so that marking Active + 3 repairs will finally write boot files to 7 and make it bootable, then if necessary add XP using EasyBCD from 7.

 

[Johnson97]

You would not want to run the installer from XP as it would lock out the C drive letter from Win7 use.

Something about the disk configuration which might not be evident in the labels you reported is awry, so please post back a screenshot of Disk Management - Post a Screen Capture Image.

Something has kept the Win7 installer from updating the System boot files on XP partition which is what is done on same-disk dual boot XP/7. You're missing the System Flag entirely which means it won't write the boot files to either partition, or make either bootable without the DVD.

We've always been able to resolve this before by sorting the configuration as necessary so that marking Active + 3 repairs will finally write boot files to 7 and make it bootable, then if necessary add XP using EasyBCD from 7.

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[gregrocker]

A real mess. The entire System is attempting to boot from the System partition labeled Win2K which is not possible if it really is that ancient OS. All other HDs should always be unplugged during an OS install so that each is made independently bootable. You can create a Windows boot menu afterwards if you don't want to boot via the BIOS.

To get the Dual Boot working on the SSD unplug all other HDs. Swap Disk0 cable to SSD so it is in first position set first to boot. Now with Win7 partition marked Active run 3 Startup Repairs until it starts and holds System flag

Install EasyBCD to 7 to add XP. http://neosmart.net/Download/Register/1

To avoid possible problems I would plug back in each HD one at a time, move its data off to wipe with Diskpart Clean command then repartition in Disk Mgmt. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/52129-disk-clean-clean-all-diskpart-command.html

The raw partition means it's ruined. Try wipe and repartition w full format then Disk Check and test the drive with maker's diagnostics.

Only System partitions should be marked Active.

You can extend C:Win7 in Disk Mgmt to gain precious space. You can also move your User folders off onto HD when it gets tight. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/18629-user-folders-change-default-location.html

 

[Johnson97]

A real mess. The entire System is attempting to boot from the System partition labeled Win2K which is not possible if it really is that ancient OS. All other HDs should always be unplugged during an OS install so that each is made independently bootable. You can create a Windows boot menu afterwards if you don't want to boot via the BIOS.

To get the Dual Boot working on the SSD unplug all other HDs. Swap Disk0 cable to SSD so it is in first position set first to boot. Now with Win7 partition marked Active run 3 Startup Repairs until it starts and holds System flag

Install EasyBCD to 7 to add XP. EasyBCD Download Registration - NeoSmart Technologies

To avoid possible problems I would plug back in each HD one at a time, move its data off to wipe with Diskpart Clean command then repartition in Disk Mgmt. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/52129-disk-clean-clean-all-diskpart-command.html

The raw partition means it's ruined. Try wipe and repartition w full format then Disk Check and test the drive with maker's diagnostics.

Only System partitions should be marked Active.

You can extend C:Win7 in Disk Mgmt to gain precious space. You can also move your User folders off onto HD when it gets tight. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/18629-user-folders-change-default-location.html

Thank you Greg for this response.
Just as you were writing this, I was deducing that it was going to H: SystemWin2KWDC because when I tried to write something to C:, EasyBCD was writing to H: instead! The other clue was that I found a bootmgr and related files (modified recently) on this partition, while I have not done anything with this partition for years (I am just using the data partition on that old drive).

Indeed, all the other drives were present while I installed W7. I did not know that I should take them out. So maybe the installer of the geniuses from Redmond randomly wrote the BCD to that partition.

Anyway, I fixed it with considerably less pain than removing all drives and adding them back in 1 by 1, wiping drives etc. How? [and there might be something useful in here for someone else who finds themselves in this pickle]

First, I saw in bcdedit that the bootmgr was set to H:. So I changed this via this command in BCDEDIT:
bcdedit /set {bootmgr} device partition=C:

Next, using diskpart I set this partition on H to inactive, and also made sure that the C: partition was active. However, the former did not stick I think.

Then I booted from the W7 install DVD and went into Repair and specifically to the repair boot setup - 3 times as you suggested. The first time through it made one change; the other times it found nothing wrong.

Then, I booted into W7 and went into EasyBCD and wrote a new BCD on the C: drive, and followed that up by writing a MBR in the same place.

Now the system boots into W7, and I can add XP back later. Hopefully the config will stick!

Probably next year and after all software is running cleanly under the new OS I'll remove the legacy OS's and recover the space.

Thanks again.

 

[gregrocker]

I hope you understand that we don't go by blind faith. We determine exactly what is happening by studying the Disk Mgmt screenshot. So please post another, so that others who find this thread in searches will know what needs to be done in this case.

Which hard drive is set first to boot in BIOS setup? This is critical information to know now since it will still be trying to boot from Win2K if DISK0 is set as first hard drive to boot.

 

[Johnson97]

The disk boot order setting in the bios was unchanged through this process - the SSD first, followed by the other XP disk, and the W2K disk was last. That is one reason why it did not occur to me that it might be starting with the W2K disk, until I could see my commands being overridden in EasyBCD and by the recently set boot files on the W2K disk (that I had not touched for years).

I hope indeed that this information might be of some use to someone in the future - that's why I wrote down the 4 specific steps that I took to remedy the situation. Looking at the variety of suggestions that I have come across in trying to solve this from others who have solved their issue(s), it appears unfortunately that there is not one solution that works for all situations.

 

[gregrocker]

In that case it might have booted had you changed the Win2K disk first to boot since that is clearly where the System flag was, signifying it was multi-booting all the OS's. So either Win7 updated the boot files there to create a Multi-Boot or it failed to be able to do so due to the age of the 2K and relied upon the boot disk to boot it.

In that case XP stayed tied to the 2K disk Dual Boot while Win7 floundered when the boot loader called on its HD to boot.

We really should look over the current disk configuration. These are not mysteries here after helping with tens of thousands of them since Win7 was released.