WEI Score is HDD > SSD for me?

espionage724 · Jan 16, 2011

2 Laptops (Compaq 515 and Chrome CR-48)

Compaq 515
AMD Sata Controller with Drivers
WDC Sata (I guess 7200RPM) 320GB
WEI Score: 7.3

CR-48
Intel ICH7 SATA Controller with Drivers
Sandisk SSD 16GB
WEI Score: 5.9

I thought that in general, SSD's were supposed to have higher read/write speeds, and I thought thats all WEI went for on the HDD score. I think it might be considering HDD space though too, but idk.

Should these scores be right?

cluberti · Jan 16, 2011

An SSD would get a score higher than 5.9, but only if it was on an AHCI bus, and only if it reports itself as an SSD - after that, the WEI tests would determine how high it would go. In general, I've seen SSDs score low on ICH controllers prior to ICH9 (and even then, some ICH9 chipsets were painfully slow), so an ICH7 might not be using the full AHCI spec properly and thus screwing up the score.

You could run the tests on both manually (winsat disk -v) and see what the scores are, and get an idea of why a particular SSD isn't reporting faster than a mechanical disk.

FirewaveZ · Jan 16, 2011

What I'd like to know is how you got a 7200RPM disk to report 7.3...

I've never seen any kind of 7200RPM go above 5.9

cluberti · Jan 17, 2011

Give it enough cache and a firmware to try and cache everything, and it's possible. I'd like to know too, though.

espionage724 · Jan 17, 2011

idk how I got it either (installed win7 x64 the other day and had 7.3, just installed win7 x86 today and got 7.2)

I didn't do anything special to my drives either in terms of firmware changing n that. However it came is how it is now.

My exact HDD is a WDC WD32 00BEKT-60V5T1 SATA Disk Drive (from device manager)

FirewaveZ · Jan 17, 2011

@Cluberti

I suppose. Although I think that would be kind of hard on a laptop.

@Espionage
Just a standard 320GB Scorpio Black?

Congrats! You, my friend, quite possible owns the fastest 320GB Scorpio Black in all the planet

tw33k · Jan 17, 2011

Getting that high a score with a spinning drive is something I've not seen before. Can you open an elevated command prompt and type in: "winsat disk" (without quotes) and hit Enter
Post a snip of the window when finished.

espionage724 · Jan 17, 2011

Done

I was copying something from a DVD though at the time but idk if it affected anything or not.

cluberti · Jan 17, 2011

Winsat disk -v actually, as we would want to see every test in verbose output

.

espionage724 · Jan 17, 2011

Ok heres this 1:

Code:

C:\Users\Espionage724>winsat disk -v
Windows System Assessment Tool
> Command Line 'winsat  disk -v'
> DWM running... leaving it on
> System processor power policy saved and set to 'max performance'
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Gathering System Information
> Operating System                        : 6.1 Build-7601
> Processor                               : AMD Athlon(tm)X2 DualCore QL-66
> TSC Frequency                           : 0
> Number of Processors                    : 1
> Number of Cores                         : 2
> Number of CPUs                          : 2
> Number of Cores per Processor           : 2
> Number of CPUs Per Core                 : 1
> Cores have logical CPUs                 : NO
> L1 Cache and line Size                  : 65536  64
> L2 Cache and line Size                  : 524288  64
> Total physical mem available to the OS  : 2.74 GB (2,949,505,024 bytes)
> Adapter Description                     : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
> Adapter Manufacturer                    : ATI Technologies Inc.
> Adapter Driver Version                  : 8.801.0.0
> Adapter Driver Date (yy/mm/dd)          : 2010\11\25
> Has DX9 or better                       : Yes
> Has Pixel shader 2.0 or better          : Yes
> Has LDDM Driver                         : Yes
> Dedicated (local) video memory          : 252.535MB
> System memory dedicated as video memory : 0MB
> System memory shared as video memory    : 1150.43MB
> Primary Monitor Size                    : 1024 X 768  (786432 total pixels)
> WinSAT is Official                       : Yes
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -read -n 0'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 256
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[0] - 71.909285 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[1] - 77.052500 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[2] - 70.809355 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[3] - 75.410889 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[4] - 65.137694 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[5] - 63.988101 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[6] - 65.981194 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[7] - 60.383641 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[8] - 63.349244 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[9] - 60.502938 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[10] - 56.618133 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[11] - 52.694746 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[12] - 53.937043 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[13] - 47.906705 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[14] - 45.438974 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[15] - 44.886488 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:12.22
> Running: Storage Assessment '-ran -read -n 0'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
Run[1] Type[0x01000002] Zone[0] - 1.337233 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:12.28
> Running: Storage Assessment '-scen 2009 -drive C:'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 9000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 1073741824 located at physical offset 0x2545c8
0200.

Expected number of IOs: 9000
Number of IOs in trace file:9239
> Run Time 00:01:01.37
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -write -drive C:'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 8
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 65536000 located at physical offset 0x6500200.


Run[1] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 63.915542 MB/s
Run[2] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 68.627721 MB/s
Run[3] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 66.492799 MB/s
Run[4] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 69.398810 MB/s
Run[5] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 69.606473 MB/s
Run[6] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 68.704295 MB/s
Run[7] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 73.164556 MB/s
Run[8] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 66.993727 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:11.28
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -seq'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 2501
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 67108864 located at physical offset 0x2545c802
00.

Expected number of IOs: 2501
Number of IOs in trace file:2533
> Run Time 00:00:05.16
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -ran'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 2501
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 67108864 located at physical offset 0x2545c802
00.

Expected number of IOs: 2501
Number of IOs in trace file:2532
> Run Time 00:00:10.44
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 4096'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 4096
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.03
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 16384'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.03
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Read                   77.24 MB/s          6.1
> Disk  Random 16.0 Read                       1.52 MB/s          4.0
> Responsiveness: Average IO Rate              2.41 ms/IO          6.7
> Responsiveness: Grouped IOs                  9.66 units          7.2
> Responsiveness: Long IOs                     6.78 units          7.6
> Responsiveness: Overall                      65.54 units          6.9
> Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor                0.0
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Write                  72.48 MB/s          6.0
> Average Read Time with Sequential Writes     6.903 ms          5.4
> Latency: 95th Percentile                     19.865 ms          4.6
> Latency: Maximum                             157.388 ms          7.5
> Average Read Time with Random Writes         10.968 ms          4.3
> Total Run Time 00:01:53.93
> The System processor power policy was restored

C:\Users\Espionage724>

cluberti · Jan 17, 2011

That is interesting - although it does show it's limitations in Random Read performance and reads with sequential writes (which is what is the best indicator of actual performance in Windows), you score extremely high in latency (due to the low score), which is likely where you're getting the biggest bump. For example, on an admittedly older system running a 10K WD Raptor drive, I get a 5.9 - even though most of my scores are equal to, or better than, yours:

Code:

Windows System Assessment Tool
> Command Line 'winsat  disk -v'
> DWM running... leaving it on
> System processor power policy saved and set to 'max performance'
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Gathering System Information
> Operating System                        : 6.1 Build-7600
> Processor                               : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9550  @ 2.83GHz
> TSC Frequency                           : 0
> Number of Processors                    : 1
> Number of Cores                         : 4
> Number of CPUs                          : 4
> Number of Cores per Processor           : 4
> Number of CPUs Per Core                 : 1
> Cores have logical CPUs                 : NO
> L1 Cache and line Size                  : 32768  64
> L2 Cache and line Size                  : 6291456  64
> Total physical mem available to the OS  : 7.99 GB (8,588,906,496 bytes)
> Adapter Description                     : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
> Adapter Manufacturer                    : NVIDIA
> Adapter Driver Version                  : 8.17.12.5896
> Adapter Driver Date (yy/mm/dd)          : 2010\7\9
> Has DX9 or better                       : Yes
> Has Pixel shader 2.0 or better          : Yes
> Has LDDM Driver                         : Yes
> Dedicated (local) video memory          : 487.563MB
> System memory dedicated as video memory : 0MB
> System memory shared as video memory    : 3583.91MB
> Primary Monitor Size                    : 1920 X 1200  (2304000 total pixels)
> WinSAT is Official                       : Yes
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -read -n 1'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 256
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[0] - 76.683222 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[1] - 66.957107 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[2] - 77.994069 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[3] - 67.773430 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[4] - 66.896293 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[5] - 65.292959 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[6] - 63.444812 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[7] - 54.540199 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:06.94
> Running: Storage Assessment '-ran -read -n 1'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
Run[1] Type[0x01000002] Zone[0] - 2.101971 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:07.88
> Running: Storage Assessment '-scen 2009 -drive C:'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 9000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 1073741824 located at physical offset 0x8a7f80200.

Expected number of IOs: 9000
Number of IOs in trace file:9882
> Run Time 00:01:09.14
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -write -drive C:'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 8
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 65536000 located at physical offset 0x100200.

Run[1] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 66.355565 MB/s
Run[2] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 63.338761 MB/s
Run[3] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 64.551867 MB/s
Run[4] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 69.996553 MB/s
Run[5] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 65.900110 MB/s
Run[6] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 68.246228 MB/s
Run[7] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 69.664267 MB/s
Run[8] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 66.350880 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:11.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -seq'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 2501
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 67108864 located at physical offset 0x8a7f80200.

Expected number of IOs: 2501
Number of IOs in trace file:2535
> Run Time 00:00:05.51
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -ran'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 2501
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 67108864 located at physical offset 0x8a7f80200.

Expected number of IOs: 2501
Number of IOs in trace file:3187
> Run Time 00:00:14.66
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 1 -ransize 4096'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 4096
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:01.09
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 1 -ransize 16384'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 1
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:01.14
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Read                   74.28 MB/s          6.1
> Disk  Random 16.0 Read                       2.14 MB/s          4.3
> Responsiveness: Average IO Rate              3.23 ms/IO          6.2
> Responsiveness: Grouped IOs                  11.23 units          6.9
> Responsiveness: Long IOs                     13.12 units          7.1
> Responsiveness: Overall                      147.33 units          6.6
> Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor                0.0
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Write                  101.15 MB/s          6.6
> Average Read Time with Sequential Writes     4.790 ms          6.1
> Latency: 95th Percentile                     17.716 ms          4.8
> Latency: Maximum                             393.415 ms          5.1
> Average Read Time with Random Writes         10.065 ms          4.5
> Total Run Time 00:01:59.67
> The System processor power policy was restored

The difference appears to be the Latency scores, which your disk does much better in than mine, and in the overall time to run the tests (meaning your disk is a slight bit faster at doing I/O work, which is expected as well with more cache and a faster system).

espionage724 · Jan 17, 2011

Hmm, I see

Well I just threw Win7 x64 on my other laptop with the SSD in it, so after I get drivers and that on it, I'll do that winsat disk -v thing on it as well.

tw33k · Jan 17, 2011

espionage724 said:
Done

I was copying something from a DVD though at the time but idk if it affected anything or not.

It's not reporting scores properly. It's giving you scores of over 7 when it shouldn't be. Compare yours to mine and you'll see what I mean.

Your maximum latency is 110ms but it's giving you a 7.7!

espionage724 · Jan 17, 2011

tw33k said:
espionage724 said:

Done

I was copying something from a DVD though at the time but idk if it affected anything or not.

Click to expand...

It's not reporting scores properly. It's giving you scores of over 7 when it shouldn't be. Compare yours to mine and you'll see what I mean.

View attachment 132647

Your maximum latency is 110ms but it's giving you a 7.7!

Hmm, is there any other comparisons? Like maybe any latency below 200-300 is within the 7.0 range?

But even if so, 2 to 100ms latency should have a bigger score difference

cluberti · Jan 17, 2011

It would be worth looking into deeper for sure. Maybe we can get some other folks who have faster HDDs to compare to others with SSDs and see if there's a trend?

espionage724 · Jan 17, 2011

Heres my SSD Score from my CR-48 (WEI gave my SSD a 5.9)

Code:

C:\Users\Espionage724>winsat disk -v
Windows System Assessment Tool
> Command Line 'winsat  disk -v'
> DWM not running
> System processor power policy saved and set to 'max performance'
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Gathering System Information
> Operating System                        : 6.1 Build-7600
> Processor                               : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455   @ 1.66G
Hz
> TSC Frequency                           : 0
> Number of Processors                    : 1
> Number of Cores                         : 1
> Number of CPUs                          : 2
> Number of Cores per Processor           : 1
> Number of CPUs Per Core                 : 2
> Cores have logical CPUs                 : YES
> L1 Cache and line Size                  : 24576  64
> L2 Cache and line Size                  : 524288  64
> Total physical mem available to the OS  : 1.98 GB (2,133,749,760 bytes)
> Adapter Description                     : Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator
3150
> Adapter Manufacturer                    : Intel Corporation
> Adapter Driver Version                  : 8.14.10.2230
> Adapter Driver Date (yy/mm/dd)          : 2010\10\24
> Has DX9 or better                       : Yes
> Has Pixel shader 2.0 or better          : Yes
> Has LDDM Driver                         : Yes
> Dedicated (local) video memory          : 0MB
> System memory dedicated as video memory : 64MB
> System memory shared as video memory    : 192MB
> Primary Monitor Size                    : 1280 X 800  (1024000 total pixels)
> WinSAT is Official                       : Yes
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -read -n 0'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 256
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[0] - 125.126816 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[1] - 124.459580 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[2] - 117.572667 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[3] - 121.178171 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[4] - 124.768631 MB/s
Run[1] Type[0x01080001] Zone[5] - 120.247036 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:04.26
> Running: Storage Assessment '-ran -read -n 0'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
Run[1] Type[0x01000002] Zone[0] - 21.171755 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:01.40
> Running: Storage Assessment '-scen 2009 -drive C:'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 9000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 1073741824 located at physical offset 0x1e4680
200.

Expected number of IOs: 9000
Number of IOs in trace file:9404
> Run Time 00:02:44.85
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -write -drive C:'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 8
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 65536000 located at physical offset 0xe500200.


Run[1] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 39.779614 MB/s
Run[2] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 44.388095 MB/s
Run[3] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 43.255184 MB/s
Run[4] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 44.735342 MB/s
Run[5] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 53.442917 MB/s
Run[6] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 53.466092 MB/s
Run[7] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 53.472347 MB/s
Run[8] Type[0x02000001] Zone[0] - 49.573213 MB/s
> Run Time 00:00:16.85
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -seq'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 2501
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 67108864 located at physical offset 0x1e468020
0.

Expected number of IOs: 2501
Number of IOs in trace file:2536
> Run Time 00:00:07.64
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -ran'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 2501
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384

        Requesting a file of size 67108864 located at physical offset 0x1e468020
0.

Expected number of IOs: 2501
Number of IOs in trace file:2534
> Run Time 00:00:07.72
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 4096'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 4096
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.05
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 16384'
Mode Flags = 0x%08x
Disk Number = 0
Iterations = 1
IO Count = 1000
Sequential IO Size = 65536
Random IO Size = 16384
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.05
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Read                   125.21 MB/s          7.0
> Disk  Random 16.0 Read                       23.07 MB/s          6.1
> Responsiveness: Average IO Rate              14.31 ms/IO          2.9
> Responsiveness: Grouped IOs                  16.85 units          4.1
> Responsiveness: Long IOs                     53.71 units          1.9
> Responsiveness: Overall                      905.24 units          1.9
> Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor                1.0
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Write                  51.97 MB/s          5.4
> Average Read Time with Sequential Writes     2.813 ms          6.7
> Latency: 95th Percentile                     4.504 ms          6.7
> Latency: Maximum                             376.695 ms          5.5
> Average Read Time with Random Writes         2.893 ms          6.6
> Total Run Time 00:03:24.17
> The System processor power policy was restored

C:\Users\Espionage724>

These scores concern me though

Code:

> Responsiveness: Long IOs                     53.71 units          1.9
> Responsiveness: Overall                      905.24 units          1.9

tw33k · Jan 18, 2011

Something's very wrong. If it were me, I'd try a repair install.

espionage724 · Jan 18, 2011

tw33k said:
Something's very wrong. If it were me, I'd try a repair install.

Hmm, well it's not a driver issue, standard and intel drivers give the same scores pretty much.

cluberti · Jan 18, 2011

If you had access to a second SSD, it'd be worth testing to see if it also gets a 1.9. x.9 scores usually indicate a built-in limitation you're running into, and 1.9 was common in hard drive scores where the controller or firmware was at fault - putting in another drive would rule out firmware if it repro'd with another SSD.

espionage724 · Jan 19, 2011

I would but the CR-48 only supports some pci-e SSD (small) ( I don't see standard SATA ports on it at all)

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