Solved what is "bottlenecking" ?

[zap9x]

ummmm ... I have a 450W PSU , and recently im thinking about buying a GPU , but ... i have no idea what should be good for me , so i made a research , and on game-debate , i searched for i3-3220 , and they said this GPU should be the GPU that fits with my CPU prefectly , and some higher end GPU will bottleneck my CPU , and idk what that means .... so i thought i should ask some real professional here , not some stupid website that have a dude always recommend amd CPU over intel and says like "u need this u need that , dont buy for that one god give a damn about your opinion or your need , just buy that"

 

[LMiller7]

In any computer system there will always be something that is limiting performance. That something will be known as the bottleneck and it might be said that it is bottlenecking performance. That bottleneck might be the CPU, memory, the GPU, the hard drive, or something else. Upgrading the component that is the weak link limiting performance will not eliminate the bottleneck but move it to something else. This is inevitable.

Before an upgrade you need to determine what the bottle neck is for the most important aspect of performance. That way you will obtain the greatest benefits at the lowest cost. Otherwise you can spend a lot of money on an upgrade that provides little gain. Unfortunately this is very common.

 

[zap9x]

hmmmm , ty , so i guess buying a CPU only is a good thing after all , but still .... if i get Graphics Cards - HD7790-DC2OC-1GD5 , then my bottlenecky thingy will just be the ram ? i have seen alot of recommend for that GPU

 

[LMiller7]

I am not a gamer so cannot give any specific recommendations. I will leave that to others.

 

[zap9x]

oh kk ty

 

[badger906]

your i3 processor will always be on the lower end of the power scale when it comes to gaming.

a 7790 will give you the abilty to play games, but dont expect to be maxing out the latest games at 1080p.
but lowering the setting in game to medium and or low will give you decent playable frame rates.

if you want a decent but budget gpu, check out the Gtx 750ti, its a bargain of a card for the performance youll get in return.
I think it would perfectly suit your needs.

 

[zap9x]

well .... my monitor is 4:3 .... but well i did think about buy a 1080p monitor .... i found this GIGABYTE - Graphics Card - NVIDIA - PCI Express Solution - GeForce 700 Series - GV-N75TOC-2GI .... i guess i'll buy that one , ty for your suggestion

 

[badger906]

thats a great choice! and more than ample for your current monitor and even when you jump to 1080p youll still get great frame rates.

 

[zap9x]

ty

 

[essenbe]

Bottlenecking in general refers to the one component in a computer that keeps the rest of the computer from performing at it's best. An example may be if you have a 780 TI and a core2duo, the 780TI can't perform at it's best because of the CPU. If you were to replace the C2D with a much better CPU, for instance a 4770K or a 4930K, the 780TI would perform at it's maximum. You would see much better graphics performance than you did with the Core2Duo. In the case mentioned first, the Core2Duo would be bottlenecking the 780TI.

 

[zap9x]

hmmmm , ty, so i guess when people saying "CPU is not really matter much in gaming , even a dual core can handle AC4 with a good GPU" is totally not true ...

 

[essenbe]

This may sound confusing at first. For some games that is true. Some games require little CPU usage and do not put high demands in a GPU either. Games that require little demands in the CPU/GPU that would be a true statement. Other games are very CPU and GPU dependent. There are some games that will run decent settings on an on board graphics and do fairly well. Other games demand a great deal out of the CPU/GPU combo. Those games that are less demanding, the CPU, and to a large extent, GPU don't matter too much. Others it matters very much. A dual core CPU with on board graphics will run many games at moderate settings, and give you decent frame rates. I can't speak to AC4, as I don't play it. But, that same rig with on board graphics, I would not suggest even trying to play BF4. Most likely it will not run it at all. That game is demanding on the whole system. But, once you get any competent CPU, the rest is determined by the GPU. The GPU is the most determining factor in most modern games, just as long as you have a CPU that will not bottleneck it. It can get complicated in some cases. The best solution is build a balanced system. Get a CPU and a GPU that will not bottleneck each other and you will do fine. In more demanding games, you may need to turn the settings down a little, but they will play it fine. But, the Graphics card is the most determining factor in almost all games. CPU does matter though.

 

[HoneycombAG]

The same way with hard drives! The Windows Experience Index score is only determined by the lowest subscore based on tests run on the Processor, Memory, Graphics (Aero and Games), and Disk performance. Some systems, including low-budget PC's rest at the low-end of the Aero score (between 2.0 and 4.5), while stuff we build score all the way up to 7.9!

Mine can only get all the way up to 5.9 for some reason, even though it's SATA 6.0 Gbps.

 

[zap9x]

kk ty

 

[essenbe]

The same way with hard drives! The Windows Experience Index score is only determined by the lowest subscore based on tests run on the Processor, Memory, Graphics (Aero and Games), and Disk performance. Some systems, including low-budget PC's rest at the low-end of the Aero score (between 2.0 and 4.5), while stuff we build score all the way up to 7.9!

Mine can only get all the way up to 5.9 for some reason, even though it's SATA 6.0 Gbps.

Install an SSD and your score will go up to 7.9. 5.9 is pretty much as high as you will get with a mechanical hard drive. In this discussion, I guess you would say your hard drive is the 'bottleneck' of your system.

 

[zap9x]

The same way with hard drives! The Windows Experience Index score is only determined by the lowest subscore based on tests run on the Processor, Memory, Graphics (Aero and Games), and Disk performance. Some systems, including low-budget PC's rest at the low-end of the Aero score (between 2.0 and 4.5), while stuff we build score all the way up to 7.9!

Mine can only get all the way up to 5.9 for some reason, even though it's SATA 6.0 Gbps.

.... mine too , its a sata 6gb/s , but currently is plugged in to 3gb/s ... stupid retailer's faults and now they refuse to give me the wire .... , well i guess for me my only problem is the i-GPU ....

 

[badger906]

you could just plug it into a sata 3 port on your mobo using the current sata cable. you dont need a special "wire"

 

[zap9x]

..... oh ..... .... i thought there was a manual on the mobo saying there should be 2 kind of cable , one 3gb/s and one 6gb/s , so the different was just about its being rotated 90* ? .... sorry for my bad english i cannot describe it with my poor mind ....

 

[Windows Sniper]

..... oh ..... .... i thought there was a manual on the mobo saying there should be 2 kind of cable , one 3gb/s and one 6gb/s , so the different was just about its being rotated 90* ? .... sorry for my bad english i cannot describe it with my poor mind ....

I know of which you speak, It just means that you can identify the 6gps port by the fact that it is aligned differently on the motherboard. Some are actually Colour coded. But the wire itself doesn't actually matter.

It's the same with USB2 / 3.. The wire is the same, just the controller is different.

As to the 5.9 score on a mech drive. If you tried using a WD Black edition your score would probably reach about 6.5 i believe.

 

[zap9x]

ermmm ... i thought usb3.0 have some ... extra tiny niddle on it ?