What is the difference between the i5's and the i7's?

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Exactly what the title says. Thanks!
 

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For the most part, you'll get faster CPU performance from Core i7 parts than Core i5. The majority of desktop Core i7 CPUs are quad-core processors, while many mobile Core i5 processors are dual-core. This is not always the case, as there are mobile dual-core Core i7 processors, and likewise several desktop quad-core Core i5 processors. Then of course you'll see the rare six-core Core i7, which are usually found with the desktop-only Extreme Edition top-of-the-line models.
 

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actually the core i7 difference is very spicy, although its normal working temperature is rather high , and reaches to 100oc, its very powerful in parallel processing. if you wanna take it as your pc component, its the best, but as a laptop for normal use because it is using alot of energy to process it may have some defect because of low battery charge time.
can you explain more what do you want this information for and what do you wanna do with your computer

also check the following for technical information
Top Eight Features of the Intel Core i7 Processors for Test, Measurement, and Control - Developer Zone - National Instruments
 

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Exactly what the title says. Thanks!

Are you looking at a specific Intel socket? I assume you mean something like Core i5/i7 in Socket 1155.

A quick answer is: Depends on what you are doing with your computer......as quite a few people wouldn't be able to tell a difference between them. Core i7's are the enthusiast line of a particular platform, while i5's are more mainstream. Don't let that fool you though, some i5's are extremely powerful. Core i7's have Hyperthreading which is useful for programs and applications that can utilize multiple cores/threads while Core i5's do not have hyperthreading. All i5's and i7's in Socket 1155 are Quad Core CPU's with the i7's having a couple MB more L3 cache.

If you are wanting more specific information, just let us know.

Kelly
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to make the thread so detailed. Just was curious on the main differences in the i7's and i5's. and mostly curious why the i7's I have heard are bad for gaming. I'm most a gammer and Eventually want to bring my system up to spec so that I am able to stream and hold a good FPS.
 

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Something about there Hyper Threading they say is bad for gaming but I don't understand why?Little Jay that is a GREAT thread thanks for the info. Also, explaining what the best CPU is for gaming? Then I want to understand more about motherboards and why is it important to have a solid mother board, and what the differences are between 60$ and 160$ mother boards, is it just extra's they have, or stability? Thanks Kelly great information! You guy's/gal's can take a look at my current set up if you would like, pretty basic, get the job done for my daily need of playing FPS game Tribes Ascend and surfing the web, waiting some movies online basically all I do. Eventually I want to run a live stream of myself gaming and hold good FPS and computer speeds at the same time.
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to make the thread so detailed. Just was curious on the main differences in the i7's and i5's. and mostly curious why the i7's I have heard are bad for gaming. I'm most a gammer and Eventually want to bring my system up to spec so that I am able to stream and hold a good FPS.
see the list below, find a cpu with more cache and higher frequency rate, number of cores comes to the parallel commuting and multi task performing

List of Intel Core i7 microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Intel Core i5 microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to make the thread so detailed. Just was curious on the main differences in the i7's and i5's. and mostly curious why the i7's I have heard are bad for gaming. I'm most a gammer and Eventually want to bring my system up to spec so that I am able to stream and hold a good FPS.


No need to be sorry, I just meant sometimes more detail will help us give better advice or answer questions more efficiently.

As for Core i7 CPU's and playing games.........it's not that they are bad, because they aren't. Games just don't take advantage of Hyperthreading, and to be honest, quite a few games aren't even made to utilize a quad core PC very efficiently! If you look at the Core i7 3770K, which is the top of the line socket 1155 CPU, you have a CPU with a base clock of 3.5GHz, 8MB of L3 cache and hyperthreading. The top of the line i5 in socket 1155 is the 3570K, which has a base clock of 3.4GHz, 6MB of L3 cache and does not support hyperthreading. I believe it was Anandtech that ran benchmarks and found that in some games, the i5 does edge out the i7. It was a slim margin, but they were able to reproduce the results. The bottom line is this: for right now, and for the near future, a good Core i5 CPU will be your best bet for gaming. It will do just as good of a job as its i7 counterpart, and it will be less expensive, allowing you to spend money saved on a better GPU/PSU.

That being said, if you ever plan on doing any video editing or anything more CPU intensive than gaming, you will definitely benefit from an i7 with hyperthreading. That is the drawback with an i5......at the end of the day, no matter how powerful the CPU, you only have 4 cores and 4 threads available. An i7 will give you the same 4 cores with 8 threads to help with the workload.

I will wrap this up by saying if you decide to do a build and $100 won't make or break you, go with the i7 and be confidant that you have the top of the line processor for that platform. If you feel that an i5 will fit your needs better, buy it and put the $100 saved into an SSD, better graphics card or whatever else you want. Truth be told, a Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge Core i3 would make a very good budget gaming PC, but you would hit the limitations quicker with an i3. The i5/i7 CPU's will play games for years to come.
 

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The main difference is hyperthreading.

i7s are not bad for gaming. But, they dont really help either.
There are a handfull of games, mostly RTS games, that can benefit from the HT. But there are not that many of these games.
Furthermore, a large majority of PC games are ported console games, and usually only use 1 or 2 threads. Granted thats not always the case and many more are coming out that will use 4, but the majority at this time do not.

This is why many will say if its a gaming only PC, a i5 is really all you need as theres very very little that can take advantage of HT.


2 major things that come to mind that benefit from HT are CPU based Video Encoding and Folding.

Generally speaking, for a gaming only machine, your better off going with the i5 and put the extra $100 you save toward a more powerful GPU. Unless money for the build is of no concern.
But in all reality, both are good CPUs. It just comes down to whether you can make use of the HT or not.
As mentioned in the other thread, most will not need it, nor use it, in which case it is essentially money wasted that can better spent elsewhere.
 

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Great Information. If you could, anyway you could elaborate on Mother Boards at all for me?
 

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it's not that i7 are worse, it's that they are overkill, for 200$ you can get the best CPU for gaming (i5 3570k), for 300$ you can get an i7, but when gaming you won't really notice a lot of difference.
For knowing who is the best component in any particular moment, you need to google reviews about what you find on sale, and trust sites like TomsHardware, Anandtech, Guru3d, HardwareSecrets and others that do it as a profession (bloggers do review stuff but tend to lack the technical expertise to do it right).
This page is an example of a good review about processors, and is updated to 12 december, so it is current.

Hyper threading is a trick the CPU does to work more in some situations.
To understand this I need to make a bit of story:
Normally each core has its own list of instructions to execute (from programs, from Windows 7, from whatever). That's a "thread". Point is, due to complex technical reasons, they could be faster if they could split the instructions in two lists (threads) per core. Hyper threading does just that, tricks Windows 7 into thinking there are 8 cores when in fact there are only 4, and assign two threads per processor core.

This does a significant difference when the CPU is doing jobs that can be split in so much threads (duh! :D), like professional image/video rendering, complex calculations, in general work-oriented things.

But games aren't designed to have their instructions split in so much threads, as that would make them harder to code for their developers, rising their price (and quite a few are console ports so it's already a miracle they work at all).
The average game will take advantage of 2, or 3 threads at most.

If your CPU doesn't have or use Hyperthreading (as that can be disabled from BIOS in case you don't need it), that means it is using 2-3 cores of your processor, so around 50-70% of a good quadcore's processor power.

The same processor with Hyperhthreading has the first two threads assigned to the first core, and the third (if the game needs it and it's rare) goes to another core (together with another thread).
Which means that the same quadcore processor is now using only a core and maybe a nibble of a second core, using around 25% of its power to game, while 75% of its power is wasted.

Please note that this is an issue for most AMD processors, as they have 6 or even 8 cores (they call each core a "module" but it's the same). Since games cannot be split over more than 3 threads, you are wasting from 3 to 5 cores and it's not good, so they tend to perform worse for gaming.

why is it important to have a solid mother board, and what the differences are between 60$ and 160$ mother boards
Motherboards contain circuitry that works with hundreds of watts to run the computer components, this is a dangerous job for a gaming rig that is going to see some overclocking and you want quality components to make sure you don't meltdown everything. (also a good 80 plus certified PSU is paramount, as cheap ones are crap)
In general, new motherboards below 100$ without a good reason are using crappy components.

As far as motherboards go, the first thing to look at is the CPU socket AND its cpu support list (everything easily reachable in the manufacturer's product page). The socket is the mount point for the CPU. As you cannot fit a square in a circle, only processors made for that socket will physically fit. The CPU support list is to make sure the motherboard is capable of using the processor. Some are cheap or designed for low-power CPUs (like motherboards for HTPCs) so even if they have the same socket, they won't be able to use your CPU.

Second thing to look for is the "chipset". It is the component responsible of operating most or all the slots and ports in the motherboard.
Newer chipsets aloow the motherboard to have more features (can control more/better ports/slots/whatever, can or cannot overclock processor and other stuff), and this drives up the price.

Third thing to look for is well, the expansion slots (what they are and what version they are). Mobos with 4 PCIe 3.0 slots (the slots for the GPU cards) cost over 300$, and frankly have debatable uses out in the real world. Mobos with 2 PCI3 3.0 slots (the most you will ever need) are in the 100-300$ range. Also look very well at slot positioning, some motherboards have slots positioned in different ways (better or worse depending on what you want to mount and in what PC case), or may have additional slots that work only if others are not used.

Fourth thing, size. There are 3 main mobo sizes, from bigger to smaller: ATX, micro ATX, mini ITX.
-ATX is the biggest, and can mount a ton of cards but at the moment there is no real need for so much slots in the average rig. Most of these mobos fill the additional space they get for being bigger than a micro ATX with legacy PCI slots and call it a day. Unless you have already PCI cards around (or plan to buy outdated hardware), they are worthless. Yes, they space other slots better, but it's something you could fix with PCIe flexible extender cables (not for GPU slots).

-micro-ATX is the sweet spot imho. It is big enough to accommodate all expansion slots you want to have (PCIe 3.0 and 2.0), and more often than not does not blow through a 200$ ceiling.

-mini-ITX is for the most portable rigs ever. And for other stuff designed to be small and cheap but suck at gaming like HTPCs or embedded computers like cash registers and similar. It has a single graphic card slot, the gaming ones have a PCIe 3.0. Point is, their price is around on par with micro-ATX and they offer far less expansion slots, trading that for a tiny size. Performance is on par with a mobo using a single GPU. THis is an article where a guy makes an ass-kicking mini ITX gaming rig.

Last but not least: additional features.
Most mobos have onboard ethernet, onboard audio, onboard bluetooth and a bunch of ports you may or may not need on the back I/O panel and headers you can connect cables for front or PC case ports.
Also overclockability.
Reviews help you understand what of these additional features is better, like I said above.
In general, reviews will screen out crappy mobos, and leave only those of good brands, but in case you don't find one... Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock, MSI are good brands.

For example, my favorite board for a 1155 socket CPU (the one I'm gonna use in my new rig) is a Gigabyte G1 sniper M3. This review is in a forum, but it's a very professional review nontheless (and Overclockers is a forum where any bs in the review would get a lot of flak).

It has the best integrated audio I've seen, it is a good overclocker and the PCIe slots are placed optimally if I install it in a normal ATX case (or a DIY one like what I want to do), while they would be annoying in a normal mATX case. And it has all ports I need. And it does not cost a fortune.
 

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Great Information. If you could, anyway you could elaborate on Mother Boards at all for me?

Just got an email notification and read bobafett's reply before I posted my own.....not much I can add to that lol!

The more features you want on a motherboard, the more it will cost......that is just the way it goes. If all you need is a board to install a video card and a few hard drives, then you can get out fairly cheap. Asus, MSI and Gigabyte are all trusted brands, and I have started mentioning ASRock as well because people are having really good luck with their higher-end models as of late.

The more we know about what you want/need, the better we can narrow down the variables.
 

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