Win7 installed to SDHC how?

[Ozzyguy]

Yep, i already have the waik...been using features out of it for a while now.
Glad he posted the single file tho, as its a very large kit to download just for that one particular file, as he already mentioned.


@Baarod
When you imaged the wim across to the card, did it continue to install on the eeepc for you?
It didnt for me, hence my inf and registry changes

 

[Night Hawk]

baarod should be able to help you out with that. The full package in iso form is something you would either burn to disk or mount on a virtual drive while the small upload should simplify things for you there.

 

[Ozzyguy]

Im not sure Night Hawk Understands english.
As all of your replies to my original post indicate.

 

[duende]

Hi, well I have tried all the solutions to install windows 7 to a external USB drive, specially I those given by Ozzyguy and It didn't work, the USB drive doesn't even load.

I must mention that I am not a computer iletrate, so my trouble has nothing to do with selecting where to boot in the BIOS or something that trivial, my trouble is that windows 7 doesn't boot up from the USB drive where I install it.
The booting process begin and I get the error message :
0xc000000e

'required device is inaccesible'

If someone knows how to do it, or any tutorial on how to do it please tell me.

Please, keep it mind that it has NOTHING to do with installing windows FROM a usb drive, but to installing it TO a usb drive.

 

[Antman]

:roflmao:

http://www.sevenforums.com/installa...windows-7-portable-hard-drive.html#post219455

But,
http://www.sevenforums.com/installa...windows-7-portable-hard-drive.html#post225953

 

[Night Hawk]

I don't know! Antman Someone had to drege up an old thread here.

The eSata attempt how did that go since you would be running direct off of the board's own sata controllers?

I can tell one thing about the drives they use for external usb housings. They make crummy host drives since those tend to see the slower best used for storage models to begin with.

I still have to take the WD Green Power model I removed from the external casing here off line since each clean install still ends up seeing problem after problem while the regular install inside second sata host formerly the XP drive works like a champ as the default!

The only usb drive any working 7 installation saw was lately being one installed to a virtual hard drive using the SUN Portable Virtual Box. The first installation quit in a few days time while the second has held up for over a week already. But talk about limitations?! No thanks! I'll take the XP mode over another one of those! :roflmao:

 

[Antman]

I don't purchase pre-assembled external drives. I build them - a QC thing and it's cheaper.

I chose not to install on an eSATA drive. If I can boot off the port on the mobo, I can boot off of the extension. No need to test that.

<=USB 2.0 is so '90s. Bring on USB 3... so I can finally get a new mobo.

 

[Night Hawk]

Well that's one thing I've been looking at since 7 already has support for the new usb standard included. With the system I was a little disappointed in AMD's lengthy delay at seeing their own quad core cpu models finally and went for the dual core for the build. But everything is supported for 7 "except" the obvious! USB 3.0!

As far as the question on installing to an eSata type drive that was in reference to the threads you linked earlier there where that was something you mentioned on one of those two. You didn't mention if you had actually made the attempt or not since you haven't posted anything further besides the obvious "can't be done" remark! :roflmao: That was good!

 

[duende]

Antman I was asking for someone know how to do it, not for someone not knowing how to do it. I don't know how to do it, so I don't ask to be told that it can't be done (because I already know it) I am looking for a way to do it.
Besides, the fact that you insists in that it can't be done is your own opinion. A co-worker has windows 7 running on a external usb drive, he says that his brother-in-law set it up, but doesn't have a clue on how he did it, so I know it is possible. Indeed ozzyguy also got it.... so.. it must be possible.

 

[Night Hawk]

Antman I was asking for someone know how to do it, not for someone not knowing how to do it. I don't know how to do it, so I don't ask to be told that it can't be done (because I already know it) I am looking for a way to do it.
Besides, the fact that you insists in that it can't be done is your own opinion. A co-worker has windows 7 running on a external usb drive, he says that his brother-in-law set it up, but doesn't have a clue on how he did it, so I know it is possible. Indeed ozzyguy also got it.... so.. it must be possible.

If you search around the web there's probably one or two blogs written on how to go abour custom installing 7 on an external drive while likely the drive was moved inside the case first for the installation and then placed back in the external enclosure to see that work.

There's one big problem with any external installation however through the usb bus. The installation is actually cut off from the rest of the system for the most part.

Even the custom install of 7 on a usb flash drive by way of the SUN Portable Virtual Box is only good for a look at the new taskbar and themes and a few other things while not being a practical installation for everday use! Forget any gaming ideas from the start there! Plus most addon devices will not work since you are not able to install device drivers as well as any new hardwares.

The solution for this is simply to use the same method used for seeing 7 go onto a vhd on a usb flash drive using the Portable VBox program. You simply unpack the PVB onto the external drive and run the executable in order to first create the vhd needed and then proceed to install 7 on that by having the PVB program running in order to start up the 7 installer from inside the virtual environment.

 

[chuckr]

A co-worker has windows 7 running on a external usb drive, he says that his brother-in-law set it up, but doesn't have a clue on how he did it, so I know it is possible.

Well then,
There's your solution:
Talk to the co-worker.
Ask him to get the brother-in-law to 'jot-down' how he did it - Nothing fancy,
just a 'few notes' on the 'overall picture' of what he did. (The 'process', as it were.)

The brother-in-law should be proud of his accomplishments and should be more
than willing to assist his fellow 'techno-geeks' -- you, and us...

Then, just do what the notes on the paper tell you to do.
Plenty of assistance here, if you need more "techno" help, with the 'notes'.

Are you sure its Win 7, and not a Win7PE Winbuilder version?

Did you, in fact, see him actually boot from the external USB?

 

[Night Hawk]

Well I can pass along one little tidbit! Someone asked how to get 7 running on external drive when hearing about 7 running on a usb flash drive! He downloaded the SUN Portable Virtual Box and proceeded to install 7 on the vhd created with that and now can take 7 along with him on the external hard drive.

Once you start the VM there you simply click the start button to watch 7 load off of the vhd as if it was booting from a system starting up with a normal drive. A VM explains how that worked out for duemde's coworker.

 

[duende]

The story is like that:
I and my coworker were trying to install win 7 TO a external hard drive,
and we tried several tricks but none of them worked. So one weekend he
saw his brother-in-law who set up it for him. And yes, he runs it
NATIVELY, that's not avirtual disk image stored in the usb drive. And
yes, he has shown me it booting up. The thing is that he lent me the
drive, because i thought that if i could do a exact replica of the hard
drive content ( I mean a clonation, actual clonation not just coping
file, clonation of MBR partitions and so on) it should boot from my usb
drive also, but it doesnt work, so I guess his brother-in-law should have
tweaked something close related to the hardware of the machine were it
is running.
My coworker says that he doesn't know what exactly he tweaked but
something related with boot sectors and paths to the system drives. He
also replaced some files in the 'System Reserved' volume. I know it
might be difficult but he got to do it, so it means it is not impossible.
I Have not checked the performance running games or so on but the boot up
is very fast (maybe also because it has been installed very recently)
I cannot talk to his borhter-in-law, mainly because I don't know him but
also because he lives and works in the US so very far from here, I don't
think that I am asking my co-worker his brother-in-law number to make an
international conference to ask him the details about how to install it.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi all
Sorry to disappoint you but currently ----


Það geta ekki vera er ómögulegur.


In plain English -- It can't be done -- its impossible (at the moment).

You could make a Bartpe type of disk but that then runs like a live CD and uses a non persistent RAM DISK.

Some Linuxes can run off a USB stick / device (if your Bios boots of a USB device) but this is achieved by the kernel loading some drivers at the start and then building what it needs.

Even then the Linux probably runs off a "RAM" type disk having loaded the image from the USB device but because of the file system and directory structure Write is possible to all acessible devices on the system.

The problem with Windows (all flavours) is that at boot time you can't select "different bootable images" or parameterize the kernel options at bootup.

Windows creates a load of its internal files on to hard disks (or a RAM disk if using something like Bartpe).

If you could make windows see the USB as the "C" drive it *might* be possible -- I only say *might*.

In any case you'd certainly have to do some serious hacking to get it to work.


As people have found out you can create a bootable environment to INSTALL windows via a usb / external drive


Cheers
jimbo

 

[chuckr]

Hi all
Sorry to disappoint you but currently ----


Það geta ekki vera er ómögulegur.


In plain English -- It can't be done -- its impossible (at the moment).

You could make a Bartpe type of disk but that then runs like a live CD and uses a non persistent RAM DISK.

That's not true.
Almost all XP BartPEs run like that, but my XP BartPE boots from USB HDD (or stick or SD card).
When booted from USB HDD, it uses persistent (I love that word) USB HDD magnetic media.
When all is powered down and the session is over, literally "everything" is on that baby.

I don't have a 'big enuf' USB stick or SD to put the mods on there for testing, so they're "regular" BartPEs with volatile Ramdisk.
And probably won't bother with them.
USB HDDs are more fun with their larger capacities.

The problem with Windows (all flavours) is that at boot time you can't select "different bootable images" or parameterize the kernel options at bootup.
Windows creates a load of its internal files on to hard disks (or a RAM disk if using something like Bartpe).

I don't understand what you're saying here, because I don't know Windows...

If you could make windows see the USB as the "C" drive it *might* be possible -- I only say *might*.

That's not true.
When BartPE boots up, he's always drive X: (AFAIK).
An XP USB HDD can be booted, then seen as drive "D:" with \Windows on it - Its just a letter...
I believe that Windows is on the "dumb" side and gets what it knows from the BIOS. And the registry, of course.

In any case you'd certainly have to do some serious hacking to get it to work.

Not any more. XP is done and works just fine, as far as I can tell.
Both the BartPE version and the full-blown installed 100% XP Pro Media Center Edition..
Haven't gotten back to UBCD4Win yet, but that's essentially just another "BartPE", using your 'XP Installation CD', and looks a bit crude.
Reatogo looks good but seems to carry a certain amount of complications with it.
My first successful 'BartPE-type' of boot from USB-stick was with Reatogo, however.
I prefer to work with the vanilla BartPE with Sherpya's XPE106 plugin.

As people have found out, you can create a bootable environment to INSTALL windows via a usb / external drive.

Yeah, but that's installing FROM USB, which you can do with a ten cent DVD platter.
There's no fun in that...

 

[Antman]

...I cannot talk to his borhter-in-law, mainly because I don't know him but also because he lives and works in the US so very far from here, I don't
think that I am asking my co-worker his brother-in-law number to make an
international conference to ask him the details about how to install it.

The technically savvy do not use email.

 

[Night Hawk]

The technically savvy do not use email.

Which email account? :roflmao:

The only way for a direct install to an external usb drive I could see is if the drive also saw the eSata option where you can patch directly to the board where the Windows installer will then see the drive as an internal and can be accessed through the board's sata controller. Once Windows is installed you simply plug it back into a usb port since the drive is already bootable.

If you look at the boot order or boot device menu on many boards under hard drives an external HD or flash drive will be an option to select. The board has to see that option however in order to boot from usb devices.

Even if you get Windows on a usb drive or device the problem of still going through the usb bus and not having direct access to hardwares simply makes for a "vanity install" and not any fully functional Windows where you can install the device drivers for everything and see things work as you would with a normal installation to an internal or eSata connected drive. It allows you to look over one version or edition while having another as the host OS.

 

[Antman]

Microsoft confirms Startkey effort | Beyond Binary - CNET News

StartKey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[chuckr]

The only way for a direct install to an external usb drive I could see is if the drive also saw the eSata option where you can patch directly to the board where the Windows installer will then see the drive as an internal and can be accessed through the board's sata controller. Once Windows is installed you simply plug it back into a usb port since the drive is already bootable.

But once the installation is complete, all references to HDD will be via 'sata-controller'.
When plugged into usb port, the finished installation knows nothing about usb, only sata HDD.
This might not work.

If you look at the boot order or boot device menu on many boards under hard drives an external HD or flash drive will be an option to select. The board has to see that option however in order to boot from usb devices.

Right.
My board puts the SD, flash-drive, and USB HDD under "Disk drives", along with the "internal" HDD.
The guy doing the work here is the BIOS program.
I suspect he would also recognize the: MMC/SM/MS/MS-Pro/xD and the CF/Microdrive and put them in the same list.
But I don't have any of those chips to 'make bootable', so I'll never know.

Even if you get Windows on a usb drive or device the problem of still going through the usb bus and not having direct access to hardwares simply makes for a "vanity install" and not any fully functional Windows where you can install the device drivers for everything and see things work as you would with a normal installation to an internal or eSata connected drive.

You may be under a misconception here.
The function of the external device is to put the OS into core.
The device, whether internal or external makes no difference.
SD card, "internal HDD", flash-drive, e-sata, floppy disk, or even a teletype paper-tape reader can be the source.
Once in core, the OS has direct access to all hardwares.

In this respect, there is no such thing as a "vanity install" and it is a "booted-up" fully-functional Windows "installation".
If the "input" device is writable (and big enough and fast enough), it is then also an "output" device.
You can install Device drivers, Office 2012, ShootemUp, Killum, UltraIso, or anything you want.
But not to the paper-tape reader.
Don't know what "OS" is involved here (if any at all), but the "loader" is mentioned.
The History of Microsoft - 1975 | The History of Microsoft | Channel 9.

It allows you to look over one version or edition while having another as the host OS.

There can only be one boss OS (at a given time), in charge of running applications such as:
virtual emulators, Firefox 3.0, TV recording, wireless, email, IE8, or any other user app.
Of course, at another_given time, there could be another, different, boss OS in charge.
This would be an extremely fine example of time-slicing, but I don't think any MS OS would cooperate with that...

(Here come the slings and arrows...)

 

[Night Hawk]

What some are asking about is how to install 7 to not from an external hard drive by way of usb there. You can see 7 install by simply mounting the iso stored on an external drive rather then burning it to disk. The Windows installer however will halt itself when attempting a direct install onto any usb drive or device.

If you pull a drive from the external enclosure to see Windows installed on it while inside the case and then returned to the usb enclosure you run right into the exact same problem of no longer seeing the same hardware configurations as well as boot information leading to problems again.

The virtual environment easily allows for the installation while still only being recommended for evaluation and temporary application unless you consider how the XP mode works by allowing old programs to run there avoiding compatibility issues. For running Windows as a main form of dual boot like 7 with Vista or Vista with 7? Not so good!