WIN7 Performance

[unifex]

Dude, I bet you haven't read what we are saying, not really.

1. Why do you have to upgrade to Windows 7? You don't.

1a. But they will stop supporting it! So what? I'm using Windows 2000 on my old Dell - works like a charm.

2. Why do you need a powerful computer to edit a basic spreadsheet? You don't.

3. Home networking more complex in Windows 7? I don't think so, but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Myself, I could never get it working in XP. But that's me. You seem to have it under control.

4. Linux is faster that Windows on your hardware? That's of course possible, but let me ask you, what did you do with Linux? Did you use Photoshop? No. Did you use Excel? No. Did you use Acrobat (Pro, not reader)? I'm not sure that exists under Linux either. I am sure that there are no games. so what's faster? Firefox? That's subjective in my opinion. Granted, ext4 and even ext3 are supposed to be superior to NTFS. But my experience with ancient hardware - my old Dell - is that copying files to a USB drive in Ubuntu was so slow, I had no patience to wait for it to finish.

Conclusion: To each his own.

Question: Can we help you with anything or you just wanted a pat on the shoulder?

 

[LenL]

I can read!

You folks love WIN7 and are making your case! I fully understand.

As far as Linux. OPEN OFFICE spread sheet and word processing functions are as functional and simpler to use than Word and Excel for most of what I do. Access does not have an equivalent.

There are photoshop like apps and games in LINUX. However I'm not going to try to sell you on Linux. To each his own as you say.

As far as migrating from 2000 and XP. Yes you have to if you use the Internet and Email and you want the latest security updates and fixes. Also software updates for other software I use is no longer supported for Win2000 which I use to have too.

Actually I have received lots of help on this forum. So I am appreciative of all you folks do even though I am arguing with you on this concern.

Short of you having connections with Microsoft and sending someone to my house so I can point out to them many things they could have done to make Win7 better I don't think you guys can soothe me on this topic.

We agree to disagree. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Wallonn7]

Let us summarize this discussion that there has led us to nowhere and always will ...

We love Windows 7 ... you do not;

You seem to love Linux ... we do not.

We defend our point of view ... you, your point of view ...

So we stay here. And as said above, if there is anything we can do for you, tell us, because that is the reason for this forum: help and be helped! And as I said in another post, I respect your point of view and I hope the forum and you still maintain the relationship you even recognized as useful! I wish you the best!

 

[LenL]

Also

I hope that those of us who are not happy with WIN7 performance are heard on this forum and that Microsoft will get the message that there are you folks who love it and don't complain, and there are those of us who don't love it and want it to be better!

By the way I got a message yesterday when I went to Performance and Information Tools that I should Rerun the Experience Index as there was a detected HARDWARE CHANGE. OOOPS a bug in WIN7. I have not changed hardware since I installed WIN7. No need to respond to this.

Also my offer stands.....anyone who wants to come to my house and see and hear ways to improve the product is welcome! Microsoft are you listening?

PS...as for LINUX I don't love it. I am familiar enough with it to know it ain't perfect and in many ways NOT better than Windows. However I think that for a free OS it does a lot of what Windows does (any version) and sometimes does it as good and better. I'm not advocating it's use. But with each passing release of Windows it IS becoming more attractive...at least for me.

 

[Wallonn7]

( ... ) there are you folks who love it and don't complain, ( ... )

You're right, we do not complain! We are not spoiled. We contribute to make it even better - we become acquainted. The drawbacks here are in most cases related to hardware, Windows 7 newbies consumers and not with Windows 7 itself.

By the way I got a message yesterday when I went to Performance and Information Tools that I should Rerun the Experience Index as there was a detected HARDWARE CHANGE. OOOPS a bug in WIN7. I have not changed hardware since I installed WIN7. No need to respond to this.

And I will not. It is clear that you are not willing to absorb knowledge.

Also my offer stands.....anyone who wants to come to my house and see and hear ways to improve the product is welcome! Microsoft are you listening

Is it just me or do you want to work at Microsoft?!

( ... ) I am familiar enough with it ( ... )

Yeah like you said, you are not familiar enough with Windows 7 to learn anything!

Follow your path and be happy!

 

[DeaconFrost]

The home networking was a disaster. To Share files you have to do more stuff that should not be necessary like setting up a home group, or credentials. What has happened is another layer of complexity was added to home networking.

It's been sgtated before, but I say it again. You are absolutely incorrect in this manner. You have two choices...you can use Homegroups, or set up networking the "proper" way, that involves the same set of steps as XP and Vista. Either way...you have a choice. It can be identically to previous versions, or you can use HomeGroups to simplify the process for people with no networking background. Either way....it definitely isn't more difficult.

The problem is, since Windows 7 didn't come out of the box, hug you, and hold your hand....you turned your mind off to it. No product will ever suit you if you have already decided that it is a failure. You'll never learn or grow comfortable with anything new if you continue to do this.

 

[LenL]

Deacon Froast

Let me explain further.

I have a home network of 3 desktops and 1 laptop. I also have a Print Server with 2 hard drives I use to back up files and folders on all the computers.

Under Win XP all I had to do to share a drive, folder or file on any of the computers was to indicate on ANY PC that it was to be SHARED as XXXXXX. This was very simple.

In WIN7 it would appear the same "SHARE" function was available as for all indications you can go through the same process. But this is a mirage. A bluff. A misdirection. Stuff left in to fool WIN XP people.

After trying to do this in WIN7 I discovered that this can't be done. To Share a drive on my wifes computer I had to set up credentials. This is a much more involved and complicated process over what was done in WINDOWS XP. Ditto the home Group nonesense. Not needed and unnecssary program code making for bloated code. I'm sure this has befuddled many people when they went to WIN7.

Connecting to my Print Server was a Night mare. My WIN XP PCS did it easily. I finally did it with the credential manager but what a mess to do. Very complicated.

So say what you want. I went from WIN2000 to WinXP and it was networking was seamless and easy. Win7 was fraught with issues, including misleading installation instruction that I won't get into.... and I paid big bucks for the pain. I can see that this forum has lots of people who simply love WIN7 to death. That's fine. I think if all microsoft wants is to hear from happy customers than they are in trouble. However I think this forum from what I see is helping lots of people with ISSUES! So there must be something NOT SO good about WIN7.

 

[unifex]

You do realize that this forum is not affiliated with Microsoft, right?

The purpose of this forum is to provide volunteer help to those who need it. You are not asking for help, nor are you asking any questions. You are complaining about Windows 7. This is the wrong place to do so and it has nothing to do with anybody's love for the OS.

If you want to complain and especially if you want Microsoft to hear your complaints, why don't you talk to them? They have their own forums and they have customer service which you can call or write to.

 

[DonH]

Let me explain further.

I have a home network of 3 desktops and 1 laptop. I also have a Print Server with 2 hard drives I use to back up files and folders on all the computers.

Under Win XP all I had to do to share a drive, folder or file on any of the computers was to indicate on ANY PC that it was to be SHARED as XXXXXX. This was very simple.

In WIN7 it would appear the same "SHARE" function was available as for all indications you can go through the same process. But this is a mirage. A bluff. A misdirection. Stuff left in to fool WIN XP people.

After trying to do this in WIN7 I discovered that this can't be done. To Share a drive on my wifes computer I had to set up credentials. This is a much more involved and complicated process over what was done in WINDOWS XP. Ditto the home Group nonesense. Not needed and unnecssary program code making for bloated code. I'm sure this has befuddled many people when they went to WIN7.

Connecting to my Print Server was a Night mare. My WIN XP PCS did it easily. I finally did it with the credential manager but what a mess to do. Very complicated.

So say what you want. I went from WIN2000 to WinXP and it was networking was seamless and easy. Win7 was fraught with issues, including misleading installation instruction that I won't get into.... and I paid big bucks for the pain. I can see that this forum has lots of people who simply love WIN7 to death. That's fine. I think if all microsoft wants is to hear from happy customers than they are in trouble. However I think this forum from what I see is helping lots of people with ISSUES! So there must be something NOT SO good about WIN7.

Do you make it a habit of assuming? After reading your posts, it certainly seems to be the case. You assume that Microsoft is somehow connected with this forum but it's not. You hope that Microsoft will somehow hear your complaints but they won't. You completely missed or ignored the fact that this is a forum of Win7 users helping other Win7 users. Why would any of us want to listen to the complaints of someone who only wants to argue or complain? Do yourself and us a favor, learn when, how, and to whom to complain.

 

[sordid]

There are photoshop like apps and games in LINUX. However I'm not going to try to sell you on Linux. To each his own as you say.

Erm - no.
If you depend on Photoshop that much you're willing to spend the bucks on it, Gimp is absolutely no replacement for it.
Don't get me wrong, Gimp is a great tool, definitely the best free graphics editor. But it simply cannot be compared to Photoshop.

 

[bobkn]

By the way I got a message yesterday when I went to Performance and Information Tools that I should Rerun the Experience Index as there was a detected HARDWARE CHANGE. OOOPS a bug in WIN7. I have not changed hardware since I installed WIN7. No need to respond to this.

You can get that if you've updated drivers. No physical hardware change is necessary.

 

[Frenchy]

Yikes, I'm confused on the networking with Win 7 is a nightmare thing.

I have a bunch of desktops and laptops running Win 7, Vista, and Xp networked together with 2 printers. It seemed pretty easy to get them all talking and sharing with each other. Seems like all you gotta do is make sure all the machines are in the same workgroup, configure file sharing, and install printer drivers and it's a done deal.

Who knows, maybe it's my lapdog love for Microsoft that made it easy. Or maybe it's the fact that my computer buddies always tell me RTFMS.

 

[LenL]

Frenchy

You say all you had to do was configure file sharing? What specifically did you do? And your computers just all saw each other? Really?

Well all my computers are in the same workgroup. When I turn on my XP Laptop none of my 3 win7 desktops saw it. Nor would they read the folder on the "C" drive I set up to be shared by ALL computers on the Network. Also NONE of my WIN7 systems would SHARE their folders with each other UNLESS I set up Credential Manager. Just setting up folders and drives to be SHARED as I did in WIN XP did not work!

So what you are telling me is that WIN7 has some really big issues as it works differently on each home network. Not consistent.

Anyway. I'm not going to respond to this thread anymore. Too many of you are in love with WIN7. Perhaps that is a good thing for you and Microsoft.

 

[LenL]

UNiflex

I do realize this forum is NOT connected to MicroSoft and is for WIN7 users.

That being said, would you not think that any company with any interest in their customers would be monitoring this forum to see what their customers are saying good or bad about a product you produce and sell?

If you think not, and you are right than MS is foolish and will in the long run pay. Bussiness management 101 would say this site is being monitored. That's my opinion.

 

[LenL]

PhotoSHop Vs GIMP

I did not say as good as Photo Shop which I don't use. I use the software that came with my camera and it works well with WIN7 but I would not work with any Linux distro. Obviously if you are really into Photoshop, just I am into MS Access you won't find an exact replacement in LINUX yet. At least for free.

 

[DeaconFrost]

You say all you had to do was configure file sharing? What specifically did you do? And your computers just all saw each other? Really?

Yes, especially if you use proper networking configurations. Then it doesn't matter what OS you are running, even Linux, as they will all talk and communicate the same. I have a home network of 2 towers, 2 laptops, an HTPC, a Windows 2008 R2 Server, a Windows Home Server, a Wii, an Xbox 360, and two iPhones that can all share various information with each other. All non-server computers are running Windows 7. I also have an old Dell tower running Ubuntu 10.10 that participates on this network. I also have a network-enabled all-in-one printer that any computer, even the Linux client, can print from. I do not use the HomeGroup feature of Windows 7...but the point is...if you don't know how to set up networking....HomeGroups will walk you through it easily. I have countless friends and family members who all share files around their house with Windows 7 thanks to the HomeGroup feature. They could never do this with XP unless I set it up for them.

So, once again, in summary, don't confuse your lack of knowledge, understanding, and effort to learn with Microsoft's shortcomings.

PS. Add 4 VMs to my list above of various OSes, that participate on the network when booted.

 

[LenL]

BOBkn

I was thinking perhaps MS defines hardware as a driver (sofware) change as that was the only possibility. Since their was NO physical hardware change. Personally I would define a hardware driver as a software change and I would have produced a message saying there were driver changes or software changes that would impact performance rating. But I readily admit that I am not an expert.

Or it erroneously detected a hardware change.

 

[LenL]

You say all you had to do was configure file sharing? What specifically did you do? And your computers just all saw each other? Really?

Yes, especially if you use proper networking configurations. Then it doesn't matter what OS you are running, even Linux, as they will all talk and communicate the same. I have a home network of 2 towers, 2 laptops, an HTPC, a Windows 2008 R2 Server, a Windows Home Server, a Wii, an Xbox 360, and two iPhones that can all share various information with each other. All non-server computers are running Windows 7. I also have an old Dell tower running Ubuntu 10.10 that participates on this network. I also have a network-enabled all-in-one printer that any computer, even the Linux client, can print from. I do not use the HomeGroup feature of Windows 7...but the point is...if you don't know how to set up networking....HomeGroups will walk you through it easily. I have countless friends and family members who all share files around their house with Windows 7 thanks to the HomeGroup feature. They could never do this with XP unless I set it up for them.

So, once again, in summary, don't confuse your lack of knowledge, understanding, and effort to learn with Microsoft's shortcomings.

PS. Add 4 VMs to my list above of various OSes, that participate on the network when booted.

I have a very simple and basic home network with 3 desktops (WIN7), 2 laptops (WINXP), a printserver with 2 hard drives, router. One workgroup...all computers with the same workgroup name. Worked fine when all computers were WINXP. Loaded WIN7 on the desktops and had them in the same Workgroup. The WIN7 computers would not share anything with each other or the WINXP laptops. FILE SHARING BY ITSELF DID NOT WORK. I had to setup Credential Manager before any file sharing between the WIN7 computers would share with each other, or even read the shared folders on the WIN XP computers.

I'll believe you that you NEVER had to do this with your network. Somehow with my very simple and basic network that worked easily with WIN XP I fell into some black hole where I had to do some extraordinary things that you did not do. And I accept that when this happened to me it was my fault. OK.

 

[gregrocker]

So why broadcast your shortcomings with a reckless rant, like a grisly car accident we are forced to keep driving by?

Just ask the questions in Forums and we will gladly provide the answers as we do for everyone else.

Reminds me of the mad hatters' Tea Parties we have going on in the states here.

 

[DeaconFrost]

You mentioned having all PCs in the same workgroup, but are you using the same user accounts on each PC? That's one trick to use, or else you'll need to put in credentials when connecting them. Are file and print sharing enabled on the firewall on all systems? That's a given, but it was also a step that was needed on XP as well.

As gregrocker said, all you need to do is think rationally and ask questions. We get a lot of people coming in here creating a ranting raving thread about how Windows 7 and Microsoft suck...yet in the end, it always boils down to their lack of knowledge or stubborness...and they look foolish as a result. Everyone had questions and needed to learn the ins and outs of Windows 7....but the reason why so many of us love it, is that we have been using it for a while. Many of us use and support it professionally as well (no, not compensated by Microsoft).