Windows 10: The next chapter - 21st Jan Live event Discussion

[gregrocker]

It feels like a faster, sleeker 7, polished already.

There are explorer improvements especially the graphing function which will open precise graphs showing all copy operation progress. These just work, fast.

By pushing the Apps over to the side of a real, functioning Start Menu, they are both unobtrusive and convenient to try, configure, hide or uninstall.

This lack of App pushiness got me over h8ing them and lured me into Mail where I've easily converged all 5 webmail boxes into one interface with a large reading pane, Skype and OneDrive built-ins, Reader which is fine, Calendar and Contacts since my mailboxes all brought them along into one big Alphabetical directory. I still need to get into the players.

For power users you only need to rightclick the Start button to get almost anywhere you need to go quick. There is a bit of a conflict still between Control Panel and PC Settings which duplicate each other, but as long as they leave Control Panel and don't default entirely to appcentric, skimpier PC Settings this is negligible.

I'll step aside until I get back to California next Tues and install the latest build which Kari is already raving about on my Facebook page. Can't wait.

 

[DavidE]

Yes, I can't imagine there not being a method to Clean Install. While I can't divulge sessions with them at Global MVP Summit, the WIndows 10 Team was in general agreement that it's in MS interests to allow consumers to have the cleanest possible install. I passionately appealed to them to let any Refresh be OS-only and not the Factory OEM image, to which they were surprisingly open.

I also can't imagine them taking away Win7's license under any circumstances and think the courts would have something to say about that. At least in Seven, if they'd had the ability to deactivate at Upgrade they surely would have instead of relying on the Honor System. This may require a whole new infrastructure that is prohibitively backward compatible. Those more familar with WIndows 8 licensing may have keener insight.

But Windows 10 even in pre-beta is already so good that I won't use Seven again, something I couldn't have ever have imagined saying until I installed it in October and never went back. Windows 10 is simply a better OS, a worthy successor and the future.

I'm very interested in knowing how the Win 10 licensing, upgrade, clean install, "device end of support", etc. will work, and how it will affect me and my PCs, and folks i personally help.

I don't understand the statement I hi-lighted in red.
Can you explain what that means ???

 

[gregrocker]

David, what I was getting at is: When you Upgrade to or from Windows 7 it doesn't deactivate your old license, you are only held to the honor system to not use it as long as it is qualifying you for Upgrade version. I've always thought that this is because there is no ability for MS to deactivate a Product Key because it had been used for Upgrade, possibly because they don't have the infrastructure which would be extremely complicated, and also because you have the right to go back to the original OS and abandon the Upgrade (also known as Windows 8).

So you really own both for life to use one or the other but not both - though they have no way to verify this.

If I was more familar with Windows 8 licensing then I'd probably have a better idea how new restrictions might or might not work in 10, since it is built more on that platform. But we know which OS most users will be coming from and how that OS is handled. I'd be very surprised if they have anything in the works to somehow deactivate Windows 7 licenses. The courts would have a lot to say about that.

 

[DavidE]

Thanks for the explanation Greg.
Duh, now i understand...
I didn't know you could legally go back to the original OS, that's good to know.

 

[andrew129260]

The biggest problem I see is supporting till end of hardware life....that just makes no sense.

The other thing being that you will not be able to upgrade to 10 if your cpu does not support 3 critical features (same as windows 8) other then that, most pcs can run 10 (as well as 8)

What are PAE, NX, and SSE2? - Windows Help


Good discussion everyone.

 

[groze]

The biggest problem I see is supporting till end of hardware life....that just makes no sense.

The other thing being that you will not be able to upgrade to 10 if your cpu does not support 3 critical features (same as windows 8) other then that, most pcs can run 10 (as well as 8)

What are PAE, NX, and SSE2? - Windows Help


Good discussion everyone.

I hate to bring this up that very similar to what Ubuntu Linux is doing.
lts means long term support. Ubuntu lts 14.xxx
Some like this, others do not.

 

[bigmck]

I have always hated change. I was the last one in my group of friends to switch from DOS to Windows. I have successfully "dodged" the bad Windows, ME, Vista and to a lesser degree 8. Any of you that have used Win 10, is it something completely different than Win 7 or is it something that only takes a short while to learn the new changes? Is it "touch screen" or is that an option? Thanks.

 

[whs]

I have always hated change. I was the last one in my group of friends to switch from DOS to Windows. I have successfully "dodged" the bad Windows, ME, Vista and to a lesser degree 8. Any of you that have used Win 10, is it something completely different than Win 7 or is it something that only takes a short while to learn the new changes? Is it "touch screen" or is that an option? Thanks.

Win 10 is not much different for a Win 8.1 user but if you skipped that and come directly from Win 7, then you will need a bit to get used to it.