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I still have my 5 1/4" original floppy distro of Windows NT 3.51. We bought a brand spanking new Zeos P90 for it when they first came out. Ah, installing the first Windows build of Oracle RDBMS on it -- without an installer ... or install scripts. Just copy this here, edit this file, etc. The bad old days ;)
 

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unthinkable in the good old dos days where viruses where only a "proof of concept"
(at least compared to these new ones....:shock:)
the only one that as destrutive was the ransom trojan where it encrypted your hdd
(forgot how it worked.....:o) and unless you knew a key everything was going to be deleted...

edit: forgot to mention 5lo...
now that was a nasty one...
 

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love my wacom pen and pressure sensitivity...
wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though
There was the lizard virus, one that was around in the days of DOS but kept resurrecting itself when Windows 3.1 and then later on Windows 95 came out - it wasn't *very* harmful, in that it acted like a typical virus, replicating itself ad inifinitum. I basically infected the command.com and created a .DLL for command.com to use to infect any executable file - and it did so with a passion.

Good news - was easily cleaned and left files working, didn't erase HD, etc...

Bad news - it infected every single executable that was ever run on the system. I had the (unfortunate) habit back then of creating self-extracting archives to make life 'easier' for me - I got hit with it, and in the process of moving all my archives to a new drive, every single, last one of them got infected.

All 1300+ files.

Only thing that saved my derriere was Norton AV 4.5 for DOS....(and *that* came on a whopping 4 floppies, one of which was simply used to make a recovery diskette)....
 

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There was the lizard virus, one that was around in the days of DOS but kept resurrecting itself when Windows 3.1 and then later on Windows 95 came out - it wasn't *very* harmful, in that it acted like a typical virus, replicating itself ad inifinitum. I basically infected the command.com and created a .DLL for command.com to use to infect any executable file - and it did so with a passion.

Good news - was easily cleaned and left files working, didn't erase HD, etc...

Bad news - it infected every single executable that was ever run on the system. I had the (unfortunate) habit back then of creating self-extracting archives to make life 'easier' for me - I got hit with it, and in the process of moving all my archives to a new drive, every single, last one of them got infected.

All 1300+ files.

Only thing that saved my derriere was Norton AV 4.5 for DOS....(and *that* came on a whopping 4 floppies, one of which was simply used to make a recovery diskette)....

ouch...
wow that was massive in those days...lol
i never been infected but i read on article on that..;)
 

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love my wacom pen and pressure sensitivity...
wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though
I suppose we must presume that the OS's under test were all used before installing software. Third party software, with its associated DLL's etc, slows down the performance considerably.
In my own case, as I said in a much earlier thread, I have a well tuned and customised Vista ultimate (64 bit). Applying the same customisation to 7 does not improve it, so far, to any benching figures I try privately. In several cases my Vista outperforms 7. I can see no way, with my existing hardware, I can get any close to Adrian Hughes' (unimportant) startup figures.

I think I have just about covered everything that is possible in 7. It is, after all, very similar to Vista. All the reg hacks and other customising tricks I applied to Vista, also work in 7. In fact, with a couple of very marked exceptions, there is little of new interest.
I am not disappointed. This is not yet a Beta and I have high hopes. But, my own point of view, right or wrong, is that most of the "new" features could easily have been incorporated into Vista. As an addicted customiser, I have to agree with many comments that I have seen, that 7 is looking, for the moment, like a ready customised Vista - in other words, what Vista should have been.
I have erased 7 as it is wasting space on my computer, but I will certainly be trying future releases with enthusiasm.
 
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yes i remember "dll hell"
it was utterly horrible in the those days....
there was a time (when i had WinMe) that i wanted to break the computer because how slow it turned on...(well again i had a duron cpu, but hey it was slow...)

my anwser to this issue of the bloat would be to write every piece of code in windows in assembly language...

but the time needed to create such thing would take ages...
well a guy could wish....lol
 

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wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though
Wll be installing Beta Build 6936 X64Bit as of Sunday night...will keep you guys up to date.
Lovin' the progress of Windows 7 X64
 

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I suppose we must presume that the OS's under test were all used before installing software. Third party software, with its associated DLL's etc, slows down the performance considerably.
In my own case, as I said in a much earlier thread, I have a well tuned and customised Vista ultimate (64 bit). Applying the same customisation to 7 does not improve it, so far, to any benching figures I try privately. In several cases my Vista outperforms 7. I can see no way, with my existing hardware, I can get any close to Adrian Hughes' (unimportant) startup figures.

I think I have just about covered everything that is possible in 7. It is, after all, very similar to Vista. All the reg hacks and other customising tricks I applied to Vista, also work in 7. In fact, with a couple of very marked exceptions, there is little of new interest.

I am not disappointed. This is not yet a Beta and I have high hopes. But, my own point of view, right or wrong, is that most of the "new" features could easily have been incorporated into Vista. As an addicted customiser, I have to agree with many comments that I have seen, that 7 is looking, for the moment, like a ready customised Vista - in other words, what Vista should have been.
I have erased 7 as it is wasting space on my computer, but I will certainly be trying future releases with enthusiasm.

That can be taken as a good thing or a bad thing.

I agree, Adrian must be performing benchmarks on an OS that has absolutely no apps installed, along with those drives and what not - and I *wholeheartedly* agree that the 'speed' benchmarks are unimportant - however, I do appreciate the fact that he performed them because so many people screamed about XP being much faster than Vista - I'll agree that it is 'faster' but not much faster, because after all is said and done, the average XP machine has way too many apps running to make it a contender in the 'fast' OS category. Comparatively speaking (and I have hashed this over and over time and again) The number of apps I pretty much *needed* to have running in XP to keep it safe and secure was triple that of Vista. Add to that the fact that the Vista OS is so much larger - I mean, for crying out loud, run some benchmarks on *most* newer software, and I mean major revisions, especially those separated by 4+ years, and *every* software not only takes longer ***on the same platform / testbed*** but will require (or, at the very least, benefit) from newer hardware.

Anyhoo, his benches only show that virgin systems are faster - but the good news is that, with W7 needing less in the way of Security software than XP, it will push it even further beyond the XP limit.

yes i remember "dll hell"
it was utterly horrible in the those days....
there was a time (when i had WinMe) that i wanted to break the computer because how slow it turned on...(well again i had a duron cpu, but hey it was slow...)

my anwser to this issue of the bloat would be to write every piece of code in windows in assembly language...

but the time needed to create such thing would take ages...
well a guy could wish....lol

DLL Hell - cyclic dependencies. Gotta love them.

On a brighter note, the good news is that Vista has prepared those of us using it for W7. We have a really good idea of what to expect from it when it *does* bark at us.

Wll be installing Beta Build 6936 X64Bit as of Sunday night...will keep you guys up to date.
Lovin' the progress of Windows 7 X64

Good luck m8
 

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yes it is agreed that
this is a almost irrelevant test...
meaning that sure it shows the speed but what about with a few apps installed....

i remember when they were talking about the differences between Win95 and WinNT...(in my job i joined in (i was 18))
i learned a lot there....
then i knew that i was going into Computer Science...
at least then they knew that WinNT was only for a "fast" pc (relative term for a fast pc at the time 486 16 mb compared to a 386 and 8 mb...)
well at least the customers had to know this...
wow its been a long time since those times....
the times of jumpers (i get old hardware that has been thrown away for some reason or does not work.... good old jumpers...lol)

At least then they knew the capabilities of the hardware....lol
those were old times...

As for the dll issue it could have been repaired beging with standard OS dlls that get updated by ms only meaning that OS wide dlls (that other apps use) should be standardize so that dll hell would not have happen...

i really do hate their workaround for this which is to create thousands of almost equal dlls with sometimes a few lines of code changed.....
i wish they were dll standards (sounds ridiculous huh)
 

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wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though
Randall Kennedy's take on the W7 Benchmark Tests

"Sorting through the latest Windows 7 benchmark results
I take a closer look at ZDnet's latest numbers and how they compare to my own test results.

Windows 7 is not faster than Windows Vista.

Yes, it is! No it's not! Is too!

Looking at all of the benchmarks now surfacing for the "pre-beta" Windows 7 releases is enough to make your head spin. It brings to mind the age-old adage "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Or in this case, benchmarks.

ZDnet's Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ran four benchmarks on Windows 7 that show, in three cases at least, that the pre-beta is faster than Vista SP1 -- and notably slower in a fourth instance. My own DMS Clarity Studio benchmarks show that Windows 7 pre-beta performs essentially the same as Vista SP1.

So why the apparent contradiction? That gets us back to lies, damned lies, and benchmarks. Benchmarks are designed to test specific things, so you can't compare them blindly.

For example, one of Kingsley-Hughes' tests looked at boot time, where Windows 7 was about 39 percent faster than Vista SP1 and 17 percent faster than XP SP3. That's great, but my benchmarks test runtime performance, not boot time. So Kingsley-Hughes' boot tests don't contradict mine because they test something else. (And it's great that Windows 7 pre-beta boots faster.)

The PassMark benchmark that Kingsley-Hughes used seems to more directly contradict my benchmarks, until you examine them closely. First, his results show that the Windows 7 per-beta is just 1.5 percent faster than XP SP3 and 2.1 percent faster than Vista SP1 -- basically a tie, as my own results showed.

Second, PassMark results vary wildly, so you can't take the results from just one system, as Kingsley-Hughes did, and extrapolate it to the universe of PCs. You need to look at multiple systems and then figure out a rough average. On my test PC (Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 CPU, 2GB of RAM, 7200rpm drive), the PassMark results showed that XP SP3 was 24 percent faster than the pre-beta Windows 7. And those PassMark subtests can vary by as much as 20 percent -- from pass to pass -- on the same system, so you need to give yourself a good margin of error when comparing results.

Finally, the PassMark tests are synthetic, directly testing hardware components and then making assumptions about how those component tests affect actual users. My tests run real applications and services (Office, Workflow, Database, and Windows Media) -- what business people actually do. The debate between synthetic and real-world tests has gone on as long as there have been PC benchmarks, and publications that originated with Ziff-Davis have tended to rely on synthetic tests, while publications such as InfoWorld published by IDG have tended to rely on real-world tests. We won't resolve that 20-year-old debate here.

The PCMark Vantage tests that he ran show that the Windows 7 pre-beta is about 6 percent faster than Vista SP1 -- not bad, but not the same as what the PassMark tests show. So, what to make of that apparent contradiction? PCMark Vantage was designed for Vista testing in consumer usage scenarios, so it relies a lot on graphics-processing applications. Neither PassMark nor my tests are consumer-oriented, so that "contradiction" is easy to explain.

Note: PCMark Vantage does not run on XP, so there's no comparison to be made there. Although Kingsley-Hughes published PCMark Vantage results ostensibly for XP, he later pulled those numbers.

That leaves the CineBench numbers, which focus on multimedia apps (unlike PassMark or my DMS Clarity Studio benchmarks). Kingsley-Hughes' tests show that Windows 7 pre-beta is 3 percent faster at running CineBench than Vista SP1. Great!

So, it's clear from the tests that are the closest in intent -- DMS Clarity Studio and PassMark -- that Windows 7 and Windows Vista perform essentially the same, even if individual PassMark tests vary from that overall conclusion. The other tests focus on very specific performance measures, so they can't be used for any general performance conclusions.

At the end of the day, what matters is performance in your own context. By all means, run tests like PassMark, PCMark, and CineBench to get a sense of general-user (PassMark) and consumer-application performance between Vista and Windows 7. If you're in IT -- which most InfoWorld readers are -- the DMS Clarity Studio tests focus on what you and your business users do, so it remains the most useful of these benchmarks for your purposes.

Of course, you can easily verify my results by downloading the free (for non-commercial use) DMS Clarity Studio suite from the exo.performance.network Web site and run the OfficeBench test script for yourself. This Office-specific benchmarking tool, which I wrote while working for Intel's Desktop Architecture Labs (DAL), uses actual Office applications to execute the script. It runs unmodified across four generations of Windows and Office and typically shows less than 1 percent variability between test runs (contrast this with the synthetic PassMark).

Or you can just take these latest results out of context, as some in the blogosphere have chosen to do. To his credit, Kingsley-Hughes simply ran the numbers, without commenting on what they meant or how they compared to others. We should all follow his example, or at least cite the relevant context before making conclusions."

Sorting through the latest Windows 7 benchmark results |Enterprise Desktop | Randall C. Kennedy | InfoWorld
 

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