Windows 7 End of Support

[blue skies]

Greetings,

I am not very knowledgeable about Microsoft as a company and the reasons why they do the things they do, but from a business perspective - I would appreciate if someone here can explain something to me beyond Microsoft being the devil.

So clearly Microsoft is aware like millions of computer users that Windows XP and Windows 7 have been incredibly popular to the point where they know users didn't want to give them up for what Windows released next in Vista, 8 and 10. Basically the attitude for XP and 7 has been "from my cold dead hands" in terms of giving up those operating systems for the junk that Windows replaced them with.

Now since Microsoft have this knowledge, as a business wanting to be able to compete with Apple among others and keep their customers happy - why are they not giving people a modern version of XP and 7. Basically all the things you loved about XP and 7, but with 2019 technology features. It seems like a no-brainer. Give the customer want they want and watch all the praise you will get and money. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective to say OK, people obviously love what we did with XP and 7, so let's totally screw people over with 10 and give them something that they are going to hate. It would be like any other business taking their most popular product and changing it for no reason or a restaurant taking their most popular dish and changing it to something that makes it not the same. It's moronic.

Post Cereal learned this the hard way, when they changed Honey Comb cereal to a new version. People hated it and like New Coke, Post Cereal returned almost immediately to the classic Honey Comb cereal.

So can someone explain from a business perspective - why Microsoft isn't having board meetings saying let's just give people a 2020 version of Windows 7. It is what people want and they will buy the hell out of it if it determined by reviews that it really is a modern version of 7 in every way.

Thanks!

I think it's completely moronic too, and I spent years defending them and raving about Windows 7. It's been so disappointing to see them throw away all of the goodwill they built up while becoming just another evil corporation. I hope what they've been doing eventually backfires on them big time!

My explanation for it, in addition to the evil part? Extreme arrogance - ignoring their customers' wishes, thinking they know better and believing that, because of Microsoft's high percentage of the market share, they can do whatever they want without considering their customers' needs and wants... and/or a predatory attitude thinking that they can just manipulate their customers away from what they like and need in an operating system to what will presumably make them more money in the long run (adopting Apple's model), because most people will not be tech savvy enough (or have the will) to learn a whole new alternative operating system.

I am happy to familiarize myself with Linux, and from what I've seen so far... it's much better than Windows 10 in almost every conceivable way. Bye bye Microsoft!

 

[townsbg]

I think it's completely moronic too, and I spent years defending them and raving about Windows 7. It's been so disappointing to see them throw away all of the goodwill they built up while becoming just another evil corporation. I hope what they've been doing eventually backfires on them big time!

My explanation for it, in addition to the evil part? Extreme arrogance - ignoring their customers' wishes, thinking they know better and believing that, because of Microsoft's high percentage of the market share, they can do whatever they want without considering their customers' needs and wants... and/or a predatory attitude thinking that they can just manipulate their customers away from what they like and need in an operating system to what will presumably make them more money in the long run (adopting Apple's model), because most people will not be tech savvy enough (or have the will) to learn a whole new alternative operating system.

I am happy to familiarize myself with Linux, and from what I've seen so far... it's much better than Windows 10 in almost every conceivable way. Bye bye Microsoft!

To me it's not just about 10 and not trusting it, I think that they have something devious up their sleeve and I no longer trust them. Time will tell what they do with 10.

 

[blue skies]

To me it's not just about 10 and not trusting it, I think that they have something devious up their sleeve and I no longer trust them. Time will tell what they do with 10.

I agree. I don't trust them either, anymore.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

To me it's not just about 10 and not trusting it, I think that they have something devious up their sleeve and I no longer trust them. Time will tell what they do with 10.

I agree. I don't trust them either, anymore.

 

[Hey Man]

I think it's completely moronic too, and I spent years defending them and raving about Windows 7. It's been so disappointing to see them throw away all of the goodwill they built up while becoming just another evil corporation. I hope what they've been doing eventually backfires on them big time!

My explanation for it, in addition to the evil part? Extreme arrogance - ignoring their customers' wishes, thinking they know better and believing that, because of Microsoft's high percentage of the market share, they can do whatever they want without considering their customers' needs and wants... and/or a predatory attitude thinking that they can just manipulate their customers away from what they like and need in an operating system to what will presumably make them more money in the long run (adopting Apple's model), because most people will not be tech savvy enough (or have the will) to learn a whole new alternative operating system.

I am happy to familiarize myself with Linux, and from what I've seen so far... it's much better than Windows 10 in almost every conceivable way. Bye bye Microsoft!

Considering the backlash they had over Vista, 8 to a degree and now 10 in addition to the fact that clearly XP and 7 were the most popular operating systems for them, it just seems idiotic not to update Windows 7 for today. It's literally a license for them to print money and will bring back customers who have bailed Microsoft because of the garbage they are releasing.

Whatever their reasons are - it's just bad business on their part as a company and I don't even mean from a customer perspective. They had their version of Coke Classic in computer terms and they just tossed the recipe so to speak in the garbage.

 

[spc3rd]

I certainly concur with all the sentiments expressed in this topic thus far. I plan to continue using Windows 7 past the January 2020 EOL date. Unfortunately, at my age, (and health), trying to figure out how to use a problematic, new OS like Win 10 is not a viable option for me.

M$ likes to rush things to market, as they did with Windows 10, obviously thinking that by offering it FREE initially...everyone would just jump on board. Not to forget also how M$ has tried repeatedly to shove Win 10 onto folks computers via their sneaky Windows Updates.

They could learn a thing or two from Apple...as they tend to take a bit longer before releasing a new product to market. Putting more effort into ensuring their products are as free from problems as possible.

From what I have observed since its release, Win 10 has been fraught with a host of issues right from the start, and M$ has not always been so forthcoming in responding to issues reported by end users with a timely fix.

IMHO, Microsoft has become just another greedy, money-hungry big business that has developed the same mindset a number of Wall Street firms made, not-so-long ago - i.e., thinking itself too big to fail. Unfortunately, I doubt little will ever change with this scenario, barring a massive consumer backlash that hits them significantly in their bank accounts.

 

[blue skies]

Considering the backlash they had over Vista, 8 to a degree and now 10 in addition to the fact that clearly XP and 7 were the most popular operating systems for them, it just seems idiotic not to update Windows 7 for today. It's literally a license for them to print money and will bring back customers who have bailed Microsoft because of the garbage they are releasing.

Whatever their reasons are - it's just bad business on their part as a company and I don't even mean from a customer perspective. They had their version of Coke Classic in computer terms and they just tossed the recipe so to speak in the garbage.

Very true, and that is an excellent analogy.

...IMHO, Microsoft has become just another greedy, money-hungry big business that has developed the same mindset a number of Wall Street firms made, not-so-long ago - i.e., thinking itself too big to fail. Unfortunately, I doubt little will ever change with this scenario, barring a massive consumer backlash that hits them significantly in their bank accounts.

I agree and it seems like there are a lot of unhappy customers planning to bail on Microsoft by the end of this year. I guess the question is whether or not it will be enough to significantly hurt their bank accounts. I hope so!

 

[townsbg]

Very true, and that is an excellent analogy.


I agree and it seems like there are a lot of unhappy customers planning to bail on Microsoft by the end of this year. I guess the question is whether or not it will be enough to significantly hurt their bank accounts. I hope so!

Not as long as Windows 10 is slapped on most of the new computers.

 

[Hey Man]

Are there any programs that can make Windows 10 more like Windows 7 or at best can you just install a Windows 7 skin that makes 10 look like 7, so at least you can avoid the look of the 10 desktop and use the desktop like you would with 7?

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Are there any programs that can make Windows 10 more like Windows 7 or at best can you just install a Windows 7 skin that makes 10 look like 7, so at least you can avoid the look of the 10 desktop and use the desktop like you would with 7?

You can put lipstick on a pig but it still will be a pig.

 

[michael diemer]

Considering the backlash they had over Vista, 8 to a degree and now 10 in addition to the fact that clearly XP and 7 were the most popular operating systems for them, it just seems idiotic not to update Windows 7 for today. It's literally a license for them to print money and will bring back customers who have bailed Microsoft because of the garbage they are releasing.

Whatever their reasons are - it's just bad business on their part as a company and I don't even mean from a customer perspective. They had their version of Coke Classic in computer terms and they just tossed the recipe so to speak in the garbage.

Contempt for the customer is characteristic of monopolies.

 

[townsbg]

Are there any programs that can make Windows 10 more like Windows 7 or at best can you just install a Windows 7 skin that makes 10 look like 7, so at least you can avoid the look of the 10 desktop and use the desktop like you would with 7?

For many of us it isn't just/only/about the looks. It isn't even about 10 anymore. It's about how M$ views us. It's about not trusting them not to change their pricing out of the blue and suddenly having to rent it from them, or having ads pumped through the app store, or (at least for me) doing something completely devious with it. It's about their new data collection techniques, the forced updates, and the yearly overhauls. Slapping on a new theme doesn't change it beneath the surface and what I feel about it. I don't trust it on my own computer and I never will as long as they have the same setup and mindset.

 

[SandraChung]

As if I need another reason to dislike Windows 10

Did I say dislike? No, I mean LOATHE.
I booted into the Windows 10 drive.

Windows 10 took into its programing to 'scan' two of my external drives. One drive it wiped every file out of that in one directory of one drive, and then blew out the partition on another drive.

I am currently on my Windows 7 drive, using data recovery software. So far, it's found the missing partition and all the file. When the scan is complete, i will click on RECOVER, and that will be one problem fixed.
What gets me, is the drive with the folder wiped clean, reads as if those files are still taking space, so hopefully, they can be recovered, also.

 

[SandraChung]

Are there any programs that can make Windows 10 more like Windows 7 or at best can you just install a Windows 7 skin that makes 10 look like 7, so at least you can avoid the look of the 10 desktop and use the desktop like you would with 7?

StartMenu X.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Pay-per-Click

To me it's not just about 10 and not trusting it, I think that they have something devious up their sleeve and I no longer trust them. Time will tell what they do with 10.

I agree. I don't trust them either, anymore.

I'm expecting that Pay-per-Click is only a few years away.

 

[SandraChung]

I managed to fix the problems Windows 10 caused on the external drives by using software in Windows 7. How's that for irony? As for MS with their "will no longer supply security updates" I never relied on MS' security updates. I have BitDefender on Windows 7, and MalwareBytes on Windows 10. I also have an old XP laptop with Malwarebytes, and haven't had any problems with that. I get tired of the scare tactics. It's not as if everything currently running on my computer is going to come to a screeching halt just because MS ends public support for Windows 7.

As for possibility of "Pay per click", I'm more worried about 'subscription' model.

 

[Paul Black]

Hi SandraChung,

It's not as if everything currently running on my computer is going to come to a screeching halt just because MS ends public support for Windows 7.

True!

As long as you have got a stable system image [or two!] then you should be OK. I have got a Win 7 ISO and all the updates [cumulative and security-only] etc saved as well. There are people still using XP without any problems!

The biggest problem will be that as time goes on software updates [third-party] will probably not be available!

 

[Brds7t7]

To be honest, I don't even worry about software updates that much either. There are certain programmes I keep up to date, but there's still a lot where I'm running older versions. Either because the so-called "update" has either removed features I used, made the programme worse, or has added a ridiculous amount of bloat to the programme (this usually happens when some grubby company buys it from a decent company).

If a programme gets to the point where it will no longer work on 7 anymore, I'll just look for an alternative.

 

[SandraChung]

Hi SandraChung,


True!

As long as you have got a stable system image [or two!] then you should be OK. I have got a Win 7 ISO and all the updates [cumulative and security-only] etc saved as well. There are people still using XP without any problems!

The biggest problem will be that as time goes on software updates [third-party] will probably not be available!

I have Installation Discs, bought and paid for, I have downloaded all the updates from the MS catalog and saved. Everything works. And if it ain't broken, I'm not fixing it.

That being typed, I do have a dual boot system, with Win 7 Ult 64bit, and Win 10 Pro. I pretty much spend most of my computer time on the Windows 7 drive, and only occasionally use the Win 10 because every time I think it's doing ok, it seems to screw something up.

 

[michael diemer]

I hope this forum will continue indefinitely, so all of us, along with anyone else who needs it, can still share helpful info. Windows 7 forever, Seven Forums forever!