Windows 7: Linux Killer, Or Windows Killer?

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The newest installment of Conventional Computer Wisdom holds that Windows 7 will be "a Linux-killer," unseating Linux on netbooks and sealing its fate on the desktop. Well, maybe XP-killer and Vista-killer is more like it.
The details (as mused over at ComputerWorld.com) go something like this. Linux is taking off most aggressively on netbooks and similar devices. Windows 7 was designed to run well on such machines. Therefore, once Windows 7 is out, Linux market share on those devices (and, by the same token, Linux market share in general) will implode. It sounds fine in theory, but the picture has pieces missing.
1. Netbooks are not the only place where Linux is finding a foothold. Smartphones (hello, Android!), embedded devices, kiosks / corporate desktop setups ... not all of this is as sexy or attention-getting as the desktop, but it's every bit as crucial.
2. The ways in which people are explicitly dependent on Windows is decreasing. While I don't think the Web is going to completely replace desktop applications anytime soon, it's already happened for many people whose needs are relatively undemanding. Each new generation of PC users that comes along starts with a clean slate, and are that much more likely to start with Web-based apps rather than a Microsoft product that requires a Microsoft platform.
3. Microsoft competes most directly with itself. Been said before, but it bears repeating. By and large, when people shirked Vista, it was in favor of XP or holding out for 7 -- not jumping ship entirely for Linux. Forums and blogs (like this one) are peppered with no end of anecdotes from people who shirk Windows in favor of some grade of Linux and never look back, but I don't expect that to become the rule rather than the exception. At least not until, as per No. 2 above, a generation of computer users comes in who have no particular dependence on Microsoft to begin with. We're well on the way, though.
So what'll happen with 7? I see Windows still keeping a majority slice of the desktop pie, with Apple and Linux splitting the difference. The size of that difference is certain to grow, but it's going to continue to be a Windows world for the most part.
That said, I've long been of the opinion that Linux doesn't need to "steal" market share from Microsoft. Not for the sake of its own survival or development, certainly. It does make sense for Linux to stay feature-competitive with Windows in the sense of hardware support, something that's far less of an issue now than it used to be. But Linux will win, and has won, its own audience in its own way. It's never done any less than that.

Windows 7: Linux Killer, Or Windows Killer? - Open Source Blog - InformationWeek
 

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Every Windows version is a Linux killer to me. I've tried Linux a few times, but it's too much a hassle to install all kinds of libraries and shit through some kind of terminal...
 

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Most of the more popular builds now don't require you to go to a terminal to do it - you use an application like Apt-get or synaptics or the RH Package manager.

There are a few builds (mainly for purists) that do require a more hands on approach - I personally prefer a more hands on approach and wish the M$ kernels allowed me to be as hands on as *nix does....
 

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Most of the more popular builds now don't require you to go to a terminal to do it - you use an application like Apt-get or synaptics or the RH Package manager.

There are a few builds (mainly for purists) that do require a more hands on approach - I personally prefer a more hands on approach and wish the M$ kernels allowed me to be as hands on as *nix does....

It's not only those packages... If I download some software from the internet and I want to install that in Ubuntu (for example), most of the times I have to compile the friggin' thing through the terminal. That's what scared me off the first time I used Linux. Now, I finally found out how to do it properly, though, but I can see how Linux still scares people off. It can in no way compete with the usability of Windows for that matter.
 

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Ahh, third party apps as opposed to updating. yeah, that can be a bit counter intuitive. Then again, I am an old DOS fiend, so it's right up my alley....
 

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Ahh, third party apps as opposed to updating. yeah, that can be a bit counter intuitive. Then again, I am an old DOS fiend, so it's right up my alley....

I can't see why they haven't made this an automatic process yet. I believe it's the same thing most of the times (untar, configure, make, make install.. something like that :p)
 

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I can't see why they haven't made this an automatic process yet. I believe it's the same thing most of the times (untar, configure, make, make install.. something like that :p)

if they had a interface close to the install of mac app then i would see a bigger influx....

i want to see a combining of the 2...

for the begginers to have a complete gui install....

for experts such as john i would see that would at least leave the option of completely use the terminal (such as a in some distributions.... and Server core...lol)
 

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love my wacom pen and pressure sensitivity...
wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though
It's getting there, just a bit more slowly - the larger distros have their package systems that automate everything, and most app developers pick one or two main package types to host their files in - .deb. .rpms, etc. For those that are in .tar you can count them as the same as .ZIP files you get for some Windows apps - it is just a couple of more steps as opposed to unzipping and then running the executable to install. The joy of programs written in C.
 

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I'm an old DOS guy, and have dabbled with linux. I think that MS is headed in the right direction with Windows 7. So far, even in beta, the OS seems to be well produced. My .02
 

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