Windows 7 upgrade led to loss off crispness & quality in browser text

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Windows 7 upgrade led to loss off crispness & quality in browser text

Well, I decided to update my HP laptop from Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Ultimate (both 64 bit) and in doing so my firefox and IE browsers are considerably harder to read. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube descriptions, most anything has very poor quality.

I recently came across this problem on my desktop after updating my graphics card's driver via an optional windows update (big mistake) and all I had to do was rollback the driver. For this problem, I tried updating the graphics card's driver, but it's up to date.

I hope there's an easy fix for this, I really don't know what to do. Any ideas?
 

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If your current font size is "normal - 100%", perhaps you might just try "medium - 125%" and see if this appeals more to you and your laptop.

Right-click on desktop, select "screen resolution", then select "make text and other items larger or smaller", and check the "medium - 125%" radio button.


Note that while this definitely will make all text characters larger and darker and appear like "they have MORE INK", it may also cause some windows drawn by application programs to potentially have truncated text or be otherwise slightly malformed. This is a long-standing issue that goes back even to WinXP (with its equivalent "small fonts (96DPI)" or "large fonts (120DPI)" settings.

If these very occasional types of minor cosmetic anomalies bother you, then I suppose "medium - 125%" is not for you. But if you can accept it, then the "MORE INK" darker, clearer, characters are definitely more readable.

Of course, you can also make things larger in both IE and Firefox with a "ZOOM - IN" (View -> Zoom) click, though you probably already knew that.

Just suggestions.
 

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(2) 320GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 750GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 150GB SATA-II (10000RPM) for OS; 2TB external USB 3.0
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Nesteq ECS-6001 600W (1); Nesteq ECS-5001 500W (2)
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IBM PS/2 (1) and (2)
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Logitech MX Revolution wireless (1); Microsoft wired (2)
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Microsoft Security Essentials; Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
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I actually tried increasing the size of the text to medium earlier, but that didn't affect the browser's text.

As for messing with the fonts of IE and mozilla, the font still appears to be very grainy and hard to read. Yesterday, when I had Vista, the font was perfect. Today, now that I have Windows 7, I'm seeing an obvious change. I doubt the font size has changed since the upgrade, so I feel as though something else is at work here.
 

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Have you tried Adjust ClearType text?
Type "adjust" in search.
 

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Custom Build
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Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
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Intel Core i7-4790
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GA-Z87X-D3H
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G.SKILL 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
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AMD Radeon R7 250
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Realtek ALC892
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Samsung UN32EH5000, Dell 1703FPT
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Fractal Design Define R4
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Zalman CNPS9900ALED
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Logitech K800
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Avast
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Firefox
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Bose Companion 2 Multimedia Speakers
WIN | type Adjust performance | ENTER key | Visual Effects tab |
Adjust for best appearance radio button | OK button

WIN is the key with the Microsoft flag on top.

Ctrl and Plus key can be used to increase size of display within your browser.

Ctrl and Minus key can be used to decrease size.
 

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MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bitAMD A10-4600M6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)AMD Radeon HD 7660G
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Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop
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MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
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AMD A10-4600M
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AMD Pumori (Socket FT1)
Memory
6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
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AMD Radeon HD 7660G
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High Definition Audio Device
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Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz)
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1600x900@60Hz
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SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device
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Standard PS/2 Keyboard
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HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410
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What the local pub, local coffee shop offers.
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Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device


Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed.
It looks like that has had an effect, but after playing with it, it still looks pretty bad. In Facebook, for example, although status updates are a little clearer, now names of people are a much fatter bold.
 

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Just out of curiosity, can you provide the details of your laptop? Manufacturer and model please.
 

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Home-built, two systems (1) and (2)
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Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
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i5-3350p 3.1Ghz/6MB-cache (1); E8400 3.0Ghz/6MB-cache (2)
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro (1); ASUS P5Q3 (2)
Memory
8GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1); 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 (2)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI HD7750 (1), (see TV cards); ATI R7 250 (2)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 HD Audio (1); Realtek ALC1200 HD Audio (2)
Monitor(s) Displays
Eizo HD2441W LCD, Eizo S2433W (1); Eizo 24" S2433W (2)
Screen Resolution
1920x1200, 1920x1200 (1); 1920x1200 (2)
Hard Drives
(1) 1TB SATA-II (7200RPM), 2x2TB SATA-III (7200RPM), 250GB SATA-III (10000RPM) for OS; 2x2TB external USB 3.0

(2) 320GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 750GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 150GB SATA-II (10000RPM) for OS; 2TB external USB 3.0
PSU
Nesteq ECS-6001 600W (1); Nesteq ECS-5001 500W (2)
Case
Acousti-Case 360 (1) and (2)
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Noctua NH-U12P SE2 for CPU, 2x120mm case fans (1) and (2)
Keyboard
IBM PS/2 (1) and (2)
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Logitech MX Revolution wireless (1); Microsoft wired (2)
Internet Speed
100mbps down / 10mbps up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials; Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
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Firefox
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Ceton InfiniTV 4-tuner cablecard-enabled TV card as well as Hauppauge HVR-2250 OTA/ATSC 2-tuner TV card in (1), running under Win7 WMC

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WIN | type Adjust performance | ENTER key | Visual Effects tab |
Adjust for best appearance radio button | OK button

WIN is the key with the Microsoft flag on top.

Ctrl and Plus key can be used to increase size of display within your browser.

Ctrl and Minus key can be used to decrease size.

This had a small effect too. We're slowly chipping away at my problem!

Size of the text in the browser doesn't help its grainy-ness. It just looks as though certain letters are less dark than others. L in pilot is lighter than the rest of the letters. Its odd.
 

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One more possibility, at least with Firefox.

You can fool around with the default font settings, to get things to look better. Note that this often is very dependent on graphics chip/card. I personally have seen much better looking characters displayed with ATI graphics products than with nVidia products.

Nevertheless, you can adjust things and try an alternative font... to see if it looks better or not. I even changed from serif to non-serif for a friend (who had a very inexpensive Compaq PC with basic nVidia graphics which looked awful using the normal default serif font, but was much improved using non-serif font).

Tools -> Options -> content tab

firefoxcontent.jpg


Then push the "advanced" button, and fool around with either font or point size, and see if you can improve how things look. Don't forget to also test printing, because this may also impact how web pages look when printed.

firefoxfonts.jpg
 

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OS
Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
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i5-3350p 3.1Ghz/6MB-cache (1); E8400 3.0Ghz/6MB-cache (2)
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro (1); ASUS P5Q3 (2)
Memory
8GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1); 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 (2)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI HD7750 (1), (see TV cards); ATI R7 250 (2)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 HD Audio (1); Realtek ALC1200 HD Audio (2)
Monitor(s) Displays
Eizo HD2441W LCD, Eizo S2433W (1); Eizo 24" S2433W (2)
Screen Resolution
1920x1200, 1920x1200 (1); 1920x1200 (2)
Hard Drives
(1) 1TB SATA-II (7200RPM), 2x2TB SATA-III (7200RPM), 250GB SATA-III (10000RPM) for OS; 2x2TB external USB 3.0

(2) 320GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 750GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 150GB SATA-II (10000RPM) for OS; 2TB external USB 3.0
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Nesteq ECS-6001 600W (1); Nesteq ECS-5001 500W (2)
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Acousti-Case 360 (1) and (2)
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Noctua NH-U12P SE2 for CPU, 2x120mm case fans (1) and (2)
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IBM PS/2 (1) and (2)
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Logitech MX Revolution wireless (1); Microsoft wired (2)
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Microsoft Security Essentials; Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
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Firefox
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@dsperber

It seemed my problem had to deal with the "hardware acceleration when needed" being checked in my Firefox browser. Letters are now crisp again!

Thank you for your help regardless and everyone else, as well. :D
 

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@dsperber

It seemed my problem had to deal with the "hardware acceleration when needed" being checked in my Firefox browser. Letters are now crisp again!
Excellent! That was the goal, of course. I'm still curious as to your laptop and its video/graphics chip, to get to the bottom of why this hardware acceleration feature was significant.

Now that that's solved, have you re-tried "medium - 125%" font size? This really may be another preferable setting for you, if it looks better than "normal - 100%".
 

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Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)i5-3350p 3.1Ghz/6MB-cache (1); E8400 3.0Ghz/6...8GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1); 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 (2)ATI HD7750 (1), (see TV cards); ATI R7 250 (2)
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home-built, two systems (1) and (2)
OS
Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
CPU
i5-3350p 3.1Ghz/6MB-cache (1); E8400 3.0Ghz/6MB-cache (2)
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro (1); ASUS P5Q3 (2)
Memory
8GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1); 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 (2)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI HD7750 (1), (see TV cards); ATI R7 250 (2)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 HD Audio (1); Realtek ALC1200 HD Audio (2)
Monitor(s) Displays
Eizo HD2441W LCD, Eizo S2433W (1); Eizo 24" S2433W (2)
Screen Resolution
1920x1200, 1920x1200 (1); 1920x1200 (2)
Hard Drives
(1) 1TB SATA-II (7200RPM), 2x2TB SATA-III (7200RPM), 250GB SATA-III (10000RPM) for OS; 2x2TB external USB 3.0

(2) 320GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 750GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 150GB SATA-II (10000RPM) for OS; 2TB external USB 3.0
PSU
Nesteq ECS-6001 600W (1); Nesteq ECS-5001 500W (2)
Case
Acousti-Case 360 (1) and (2)
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 for CPU, 2x120mm case fans (1) and (2)
Keyboard
IBM PS/2 (1) and (2)
Mouse
Logitech MX Revolution wireless (1); Microsoft wired (2)
Internet Speed
100mbps down / 10mbps up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials; Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
Ceton InfiniTV 4-tuner cablecard-enabled TV card as well as Hauppauge HVR-2250 OTA/ATSC 2-tuner TV card in (1), running under Win7 WMC
It looks like that has had an effect, but after playing with it, it still looks pretty bad. In Facebook, for example, although status updates are a little clearer, now names of people are a much fatter bold.

Clarify the phrase "playing with it".

Please complete your system specs.

Thanks.
karl
 

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MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bitAMD A10-4600M6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)AMD Radeon HD 7660G
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop
OS
MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
CPU
AMD A10-4600M
Motherboard
AMD Pumori (Socket FT1)
Memory
6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon HD 7660G
Sound Card
High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz)
Screen Resolution
1600x900@60Hz
Hard Drives
SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device
Keyboard
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410
Internet Speed
What the local pub, local coffee shop offers.
Other Info
Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device


Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed.
@dsperber

It seemed my problem had to deal with the "hardware acceleration when needed" being checked in my Firefox browser. Letters are now crisp again!
Excellent! That was the goal, of course. I'm still curious as to your laptop and its video/graphics chip, to get to the bottom of why this hardware acceleration feature was significant.

Now that that's solved, have you re-tried "medium - 125%" font size? This really may be another preferable setting for you, if it looks better than "normal - 100%".

The sticky explained the problem really well in the second post. Apparently it's not the fault of the browser, but of Windows which hasn't found a fix for smaller fonts using so-and-so. (I don't remember the technical terms. :p)

Also, my HP laptop came with a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family. Not much of a graphics card, but at least I'm not playing any high end video games on it.
 

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Windows 7 Ultimate x64
It looks like that has had an effect, but after playing with it, it still looks pretty bad. In Facebook, for example, although status updates are a little clearer, now names of people are a much fatter bold.

Clarify the phrase "playing with it".

Please complete your system specs.

Thanks.
karl

Sorry, Karl, that was for p5bdkw. I replied to your help in a quote later down the page.
 

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Windows 7 Ultimate x64
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Windows 7 Ultimate x64

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bitAMD A10-4600M6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)AMD Radeon HD 7660G
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop
OS
MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
CPU
AMD A10-4600M
Motherboard
AMD Pumori (Socket FT1)
Memory
6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon HD 7660G
Sound Card
High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz)
Screen Resolution
1600x900@60Hz
Hard Drives
SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device
Keyboard
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410
Internet Speed
What the local pub, local coffee shop offers.
Other Info
Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device


Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed.
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